AMD Radeon HD 6870 And 6850: Is Barts A Step Forward?
Table of contents
- 1. The New Radeon HD 6000 Family
- 2. Radeon HD 6800-Series Architechture
- 3. Stereoscopic 3D With AMD’s HD3D
- 4. Morphological Anti-Aliasing
- 5. Eyefinity, UVD3, And AMD APP Compute
- 6. AMD's Radeon HD 6870 1 GB
- 7. AMD's Radeon HD 6850 1 GB
- 8. Test Setup And Benchmarks
- 9. Benchmark Results: Synthetics
- 10. Benchmark Results: Metro 2033
- 11. Benchmark Results: Lost Planet 2
- 12. Benchmark Results: Aliens Vs Predator
- 13. Benchmark Results: Battlefield: Bad Company 2
- 14. Benchmark Results: StarCraft 2
- 15. Benchmark Results: Civilization V
- 16. Benchmark Results: DiRT 2
- 17. Benchmark Results: Just Cause 2
- 18. Anti-Aliasing Benchmarks
- 19. Overclocking Benchmarks
- 20. CrossFire/SLI Benchmarks
- 21. HQV 2.0 Video Playback Quality Benchmark
- 22. Power, Temperature, And Noise Benchmarks
- 23. The Radeon HD 6800 Verdict
When you're up on top, it's pretty hard to imagine getting knocked back down. Perhaps that's why, after a mind-blowing Radeon HD 5000-series launch, AMD seems to have engaged the cruise control for these first two examples of its Radeon HD 6000-series.
Not that we'd blame the company. It enjoyed a solid six months of selling the world's only DirectX 11-capable product stack at a time when DirectX 11 and, more important, DirectX 11 games were actually shipping. Nvidia's response follow-up was compelling. But the heat and power consumption associated with a 3 billion transistor GPU counterbalanced some of its brighter performance highlights.
Only when Nvidia started rolling out derivatives did AMD's position seem truly challenged. The GF104-based GeForce GTX 460 offered the price tag and performance to make us reconsider the Radeon HD 5830, and the GF106-based GeForce GTS 450 was at least good enough to lock horns with AMD's Radeon HD 5770, even if prior-generation cards still offered (and continue to offer) better performance for your dollar. Interesting side-note: one of Nvidia's board partners lets us know earlier this week that G92 is officially dead. Supplies of GeForce GTS 250 should start drying up soon, leaving you to pick and choose between the current crop of DirectX 11 cards.
We know both of these companies are engaged in a brutal battle. In fact, that battle made the decisions in today's review very hard to make. First, we hear that we should be comparing the 6000-series boards to factory-overclocked GeForce GTX 460s because "they outnumber the reference-clocked boards." Then it's, "...and prices on the GeForce GTX 470 and 460 are going to be dropping; we just can't tell you to what level yet." AMD knows Nvidia doesn't have a target to aim for yet, so it holds back on pricing details on its new cards. When it can wait no more, that email lands. Less than a day later, Nvidia announces its own official price restructuring. Hooolllyyy...talk about corporate espionage enabled by wannabe journalists who can't keep email to themselves!
And in the midst of all of that jockeying, there are new games launching that may or may not be under the influence of developers who selectively cooperate with one GPU vendor or the other. These are anticipated games. Games we've wanted to test for some time now. But we face the possibility that one hardware architecture might be highly-optimized, while the other company's driver team still hasn't seen the title running. Now there's a recipe for hard-to-explain benchmark results.
What's the point? Today's DirectX 11-class graphics market is more competitive than anything we could have imagined one year ago, when AMD was undisputed king of the hill and Nvidia's GeForce GTX 295 was still the flagship. Naturally, then, when you hear that AMD is launching its Radeon HD 6870 and 6850 cards, you expect the next generation of high-end--a follow-up capable of knocking GeForce GTX 480 off of its perch, perhaps.
Not today. The potential for such an evolution will have to wait until next month. The Radeon HD 6870 is slower than Radeon HD 5870. Radeon HD 6850 is slower than Radeon HD 5850. It's confusing, we know, but AMD has what it considers a good explanation for the naming scheme.
And while raw performance is down, overall, the purpose behind AMD's Radeon HD 6800-series is purportedly an optimization of the architecture. The "Barts" GPUs realize a re-balancing of the Cypress design that performed so well already. A handful of features are being added, and price points are coming down. The idea here is to engage Nvidia's GeForce GTX 460 1 GB and 768 MB beyond performance.
Before we dig-in to the Radeon HD 6800-series, let's take a closer look at the targeted price points.

What's With That Name?
Now, if you're like us, that Radeon HD 6800-series moniker will strike you as disingenuous. Even after hearing the official party line, we still don't like the fact that the branding require an explanation from us in order to make sense. What about the folks who don't get the memo? We can only hope that price insinuates performance. Barts is designed to fill the $150 to $250 range, far below today’s Radeon HD 5870. This is more like Radeon HD 5830 and 5850 territory. The high-end Radeon HD 5870 and 5970 will be replaced by the “Cayman” and “Antilles” Radeon HD 6900-series before the end of Q4 2010.
I’m sure we aren’t the first to be surprised by the new naming scheme—to us, it’s a cinch that Barts should file in as the Radeon HD 6700-series. AMD claims that 6800 was chosen because the Radeon HD 5700s will remain in production for some time to cover the sub-$150 market. We honestly don’t think this is a very good justification, as product generations have overlapped time and time again without too much of a problem. The biggest issue for us is that the ill-informed Radeon HD 5870 owner will assume that the Radeon HD 6870 is an upgrade, when in fact the new card wields less performance.
But we're not here to review the card's name. We'll voice our dissent and move on. The Radeon HD 6870 promises Radeon HD 5850-class performance at roughly $240. The Radeon HD 6850 should slide in ahead of the Radeon HD 5830 for $180 or so. Both new cards also do a handful of things the 5000-series couldn't do, including Blu-ray 3D acceleration and playback, stereoscopic 3D gaming, a new level of anti-aliasing, faster tessellation, and a beefed up version of Eyefinity that lets you connect four displays right out of the box.
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Will wait to see them in a real PC first ... sound half OK though, see what the high end ones perform like ^^
would be nice to see dynamic tessalation from the software. So visuals scale to maintain frame rates across a variety of cards.
As much as I have seen, those cards scale pretty good in CrossFire, in some games HD6870CF outperforming HD5870CF.
WHATWHATWAHT!
Naming scheme aside, these look like pretty competent cards and I for one am looking forward to the high end and indeed 7-series cards these are supposedly leading up to.
Just to correct your Shakespeare...

Wherefore art thou, Radeon 6700? Should read Wherefore art thou, Radeon 6800?
Wherefore means Why? For what reason?
At least the image had Parallel spelt correctly ;-)
All the other review sites have found the 6850 performs better than the 460 1Gb. So im not sure what to believe. Apart from now is looking like a good time to get a new GPU. A 6850 is looking like the way to go.
Read each review "test setup" carefully. You will see that tom has used CURRENT and not LAST MONTHS drivers. Read the intro. There is a slight OC on this GTX460 BECAUSE all 68xx cards are OC'ed. Tom used the same average OC.
These two new mid range cards seem pretty good and considering they are £150 for HD6850 and £200 for HD6870 a very good buy indeed. cant wait for the reviews of the HD6970 and HD6990 though
Why are you benching with NoAA. At least use 2xAA. Unless your tested show that the HD68xx can't hack AA.
Mi1ez - we already had the Radeon 7000 series. That's where it started, before moving onto the 8500 and then the 9700 and 9500. ATi/AMD have gone right around the clock now - they may need to come up with a new name. Or, just follow nVIDIA's example and knock off a '0' and start using 3-digit model numbering.
Did anyone else notice a few charts with the size of the bars not matching the numbers? There was a 5850 score of 23fps that I'm pretty sure was meant to read 33fps based on the fact that the 27fps GTX460 score below it had a longer bar.
Also surprised THG didn't make a bigger deal of the 94% FPS gain from Crossfiring these new Radeons... that's even better than the average gain from two-way GF104/GF106 SLI! And if morphological AA can deliver supersampling level smoothing with negligible FPS and definition loss at decent res, that's some very attractive value add!
Mi1ez - we already had the Radeon 7000 series.
OK, Radeon HD 7000 series, Mr Pedantic ;-)
looking at the local prices here the 5850 is the same price as the gtx460 and the 5870 is more expensive than the gtx470
Looking at that and the quality of drivers it's easy to say that NVIDIA is the pick of the moment, this might change if prices start shifting around
looking at the local prices here the 5850 is the same price as the gtx460 and the 5870 is more expensive than the gtx470Looking at that and the quality of drivers it's easy to say that NVIDIA is the pick of the moment, this might change if prices start shifting around
Not the 5870 or the 5850, the 6870. The next gen. The 6870 is about 200 pounds on ebuyer.com (UK prices), and the 5870 is 280, and the 470 is about 250. This puts the 6870 at 50 pounds cheaper, and it scales better than 5870's in CF. Realistically, this is the best card out there for its price range. I'd prefer two of these to a 5870 or even a 5970.
Roll on HD 6990 vs GTX 485
Full-fat Southern Islands vs full-fat Fermi
XD
goes to show price/proformance is outrigh winner against proforma=nce on it's own. Nvidia need to step up there game if they want catch there falling crown
Not the 5870 or the 5850, the 6870. The next gen. The 6870 is about 200 pounds on ebuyer.com (UK prices), and the 5870 is 280, and the 470 is about 250. This puts the 6870 at 50 pounds cheaper, and it scales better than 5870's in CF. Realistically, this is the best card out there for its price range. I'd prefer two of these to a 5870 or even a 5970.
Ebuyer shows the 6870 starting at £193, but the GTX 470 starting at £186.
Hopefuly this cut throat competitve pricing does remain, then we all benefit.
I paid over £300 each for my pair of GTX 470s, 7 months ago. Depreciation of £230, but by golly, I've had a lot of 3D stereoscopic fun in that time!
While their naming scheme is pretty absurd, the cards themselves deliver. Nvidia's GTX 460 enjoyed a brief moment of utter dominance at the €200 price point, while the new 6850 offers same performance, same price and lower power consumption. As such, Nvidia's Fermi series now fails to dominate a single segment of the market. Sad for a company that wore the performance crown for years...

The 6870 isn't a clear winner in its market segment, but it's certainly worth buying. As such, I think AMD just made another winning move.
Bring on the 6970, with some luck it's enough to hand the single GPU performance crown back to AMD. And then Nvidia has... erm... CUDA and PhysX. The first isn't useful for gamers, the second is nothing more than a gimmick. Life's good for AMD fans atm
[citation] And then Nvidia has... erm... CUDA and PhysX. The first isn't useful for gamers, the second is nothing more than a gimmick. Life's good for AMD fans atm[/citation]
Nvidia has 3D vision and a backbone of support for 3D sterescopic compliance in significantly more titles. AMD is going to be catching up for years and even then relying on 3rd party software, drivers and peripherals, so they have very little influence in getting it to work right.
Not to mention that if you've spent several hundred pounds/euros on a high end 5xxx series card, you now have to ditch that and spend out again to get 3D functionality.
Nvidia have made cards as low spec as the GT220 & GT240 3D bluray compatible, just by updating that support in drivers back to those cards. That AMD can't even do that for its flagship card, the 5970 which folk have have spent £400 - £500 on, it's just a sin.
AMD fans seem to be getting fleeced. Despite Nvidia's aggresive pricing (a good thing for everyone) and their PR machine kicking into gear in reaction, at least they keep adding functionality to their existing line up of cards.
As for Nvidia not dominating a single segment, neither do AMD. The price /performance statistics show they are even, there is no outright winner, it's a score draw. If you're an AMD fan you're getting a good deal buying their card, if you're an Nvidia fan, you're getting a good deal buying their card.
LePhuronn - Radeon HD 7000 had occurred to me, but I hope to God they don't do it! Reckon they've got their money's worth out of the Radeon name and should come up with something new... was disappointed with nVIDIA for sticking with GeForce after the 9 series, though I suppose it makes sense with such a strong brand profile.