Analysis: PhysX On Systems With AMD Graphics Cards

GPU PhysX: Roundup: Free For All

Test Sequence and Combinations

We start by combining our test subjects and benchmarking them in the following configurations:

  • AMD main graphics card + GPU PhysX (Nvidia card)
  • Nvidia main graphics card + GPU PhysX (Nvidia card)
  • A single graphics card running GPU-based PhysX
  • CPU-based PhysX


Instead of using the games Metro 2033 and Cryostasis for benchmarks, we opted for the recently-published Mafia II. Its ratio of graphics to physics is quite balanced, and it allows us to make a direct reference to a current game so our recommendations are more relevant.

OS
Windows 7 Ultimate x64
Game
Mafia 2 via Steam
Version
Updated 08.09.2010


Below is the chart we created using the different combinations of graphics cards and manufacturers:

As expected, using a dedicated graphics card for PhysX makes a difference. Pairing it with a high-end model from each camp results in a rather even playfield. The GeForce GTX 480 can neither pull ahead much from the Radeon HD 5870, nor really make the GeForce GTX 460 and Radeon HD 5850 eat its dust. All of the GPU + GPU combinations are significantly faster than using just a single Nvidia card for both graphics and PhysX.

The single cards are already dangerously close to the lower limits of playability. The chart shows the average frame rates, but obviously the difference will be seen most clearly in minimum frame rate numbers. Most of the time you will be walking around, and the frame rates will be the same regardless of whether you are using a dedicated PhysX card or not. But as soon as something happens that requires physics calculations, that's where the difference lies. Since this happens only briefly and occasionally, we chose to show you the overall picture instead.

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  • david__t
    This has been going on for ages now and I don't think AMD are going to try and counter nVidia just yet, because they obviously think that the limited numbers of games that support this makes the issue not worthy of much R&D money. Also, unless they are going to produce drivers that 'fool' the nVidia drivers in to making PhysX work, they will have to come up with their own Physics solution - which is another bit of code that the developers will have to tackle causing even more hassle. Dedicated Physics cards that work with any GPU was the way to go, it was just brought to market too early before the software was out to make it a 'must have' purchase.
    Personally I find it ridiculous that you can have an Extreme Edition CPU sat in your PC which costs £1000 and still they cannot make Physics work on it properly. Whether this is due to nVidia bias or lack of funds during developement remains to be seen.
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  • mi1ez
    If you install an extra Nvidia GPU for PhysX, just think of the folding ppd! Brucey Bonus!
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  • jamie_macdonald
    Nvidia stated themselves sometime ago that "physX is old and clunky and will soon have a complete re-write to bring it to the modern age and make it CPU freindly" ...

    ...I'd rather wait for that to happen, pretty sure they will make it more usable soon.

    I have a decent Nvidia card so i do not need to offload it but i do understand it is high time it was updated. :D
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  • swamprat
    Quote:
    The current situation is also architected to help promote GPU-based PhysX over CPU-based PhysX.

    Aside from the use of 'architected' as a word, isn't that a generally levied accusation rather than something you've actually proven? The following comment that Nvidia CBA to work on it would seem to possibly explain the position. It might be deliberate on Nvidia's part and you'd see why (although getting a decent albeit smaller advantage with GPU but having a wider base of games using physx might do them better in some ways) if you can't prove it then you didn't ought to report it as fact.
    Besides, if everyone had better physx then there could be more and more use of it - so having extra GPU umph would probably come back into play (?)
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  • gdilord
    Thank you for the article Igor, it was a very interesting read.

    I hope that Tom's does more articles and features on what I consider the enthusiast/indie/homebrew sector. I really do enjoy reading these articles.
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  • LePhuronn
    What about running CUDA with Radeons? Can I drop in a (say) GTX 460 next to my (say) HD 6970 Crossfire and still use the GTX 460 for CUDA apps?

    Same workarounds? Non-issue? Impossible?
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  • hanrak
    Excellent article! Great read and very interesting. I may just go and get that Nvidia card to go with my 5970 now :)
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  • wild9
    I think you've got more chance of resolving the American/Mexican border sham, than you have seeing a unified Physics standard. Corporate interests vs. a clear, workable and altogether fair solution.
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  • Rab1d-BDGR
    Quote:
    In addition to the high costs of buying an extra card, we have added power consumption. If you use an older card, this is disturbingly noticeable, even in idle mode or normal desktop operation.


    Not necessarily, say you had a Geforce 9800 Green edition - those cards can run off the PCIe bus power with no additional connectors yet provide 112 CUDA cores. Running PhysX on that will be barely noticeable as it quietly sips a few watts here-and-there while the radeon 5970 or dual GTX 470s doing the graphics are happily guzzling away and the dial on your electric meter whizzes round.
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  • ben BOys
    awesome investigateing i never knew this! This further helps the cause of ATI since you can get a powerful card for cheap price and then get cheap nvidia card for the physx when physx become mainstream. get a 6870 and a 9xxxGT nvidia card and have best price proformance combo!
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  • monkeymanuk
    We have PhysX running on our Gaming rigs for a few customers using Radeon Hardware. http://www.southampton-computers.co.uk/shop/gamer-systems-c-7.html

    Take a look.
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  • Gonemad
    Did anybody think of a PCIe card that could house an extra, completely functional, Intel or AMD CPU? All the way around... I bet there are some situations where it would trump having a physx card, a new /other GPU, or a full-blown CPU + motherboard upgrade.

    Well, too bad I don't have any Nvidia cards containing PhysX laying around.
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  • kaprikawn
    Nvidia own PhysX, why shouldn't they be able to nerf it on ATI-based solutions? It isn't healthy to have a company who so clearly has a conflict of interest controlling something so fundamental as physics in gaming.

    Instead of demonising Nvidia who are only doing what is in their commercial interests, people should be looking to someone like Microsoft to implement a more platform agnostic approach in DirectX.

    The better solution would be an open-source alternative of course, but that's just wishful thinking.
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