Nvidia Benchmarks GTX 480 Against Radeon 5870

Fermi was always going to be more powerful - what Nvidia have been banging on about for a long time was always going to be a revolution in GPU power. The question was always going to be though if Nvidia could pull it off, and if so will it be worth it?

And to be honest, Tesselation may be the crown jewel of DX11 but nobody's really using it yet, and by the time developers do AMD will unveil their supposed ace-in-the-hole, or be ready with updated technology.

Let's see the benches when the Fermi cards are officially released. In my opinion, unless Nvidia can do an Intel and leapfrog AMD with the equivalent of a few generations worth of advancement, I really don't think AMD has anything to worry about.

Looks very good, but at the end of the day, after 6 months of dx11, how may games support it and do a good job at it!! Also, six months of 5870 goodness has already been up and that will be 8 months by the time 480 arrives for sale, and I do not think ATI are just sitting on their hands..heck no, 6xxx will astonish for sure as well!!!

Come on Nvidia, Make it good, make it fast as hell and make it within the average joes wallet!!!

I dont know about you guys... but i fear for nvidia... those benchmarks arent that much better then the 5870... so nvidia has to be extremely agressive with pricing, but on the other hand its gona be one of those mammoth chips they make so its gona have to be pricy. and if that wasnt enough 5870 has been out for a few months now... Nvidia said that the lead AMD has on the DX11 doesnt mean anything, it is right... but with so similar results from a card thats "so much" older is a bit shamefull. dont forget that since the 5000 series has been around a while its fabrication process is certainly cheaper now a days... so i would almost bet that as soon as those nvidia cards hit the market ati will slash prices like madness...
in short nvidia will probably only have 2 things to its advantage in this round... its CUDA programing thingy, and with luck size, since ATIs higher ups cards are HUEG lol... i'm telling ya, i hope nvidia is just joking aobut those results...

Sure it will be a heavy price tag for so little gain's "no change then" , for such a new card not much gain in the fps "SIGH! something that can be achieved with small overclock. Also look at the peak fps nearly both cards do the same.
Never worried to much about dx, thats down to game developers and they are never to quick to keep up with new tech. Shattered horizon anyone, not my cup of tea, but always like a new device to put the limits.

lets see how it will live up in the 3d deprtment, normaly nvidia release there top card first then work there way back for rest series. Have they done that this time, hope not.

What bench are they using? (youtube blocked at work) if it's something noone's ever used or heard of then I don't want to know. Plus, we still need power reqs and temps don't we?

And,

Really?

The only good thing I can see coming out of Fermi will be that it makes my planned 5xxx purchase cheaper. :-)

considering that the 480 is a generation ahead of the 5870 I would have expected better numbers to be honest

You can't really describe 2 competitors' products as being a generation apart. As both of these products are either company's first DX11 I would have said they were closer to the same generation, but you can only really discuss generations within 1 company where there is a definite end to one and start to the next.

Not convinced at all, easy to claim anything without any evidence to back it up. What system did the 5870 go in? what drivers were used? I could make the exact same video using my 4870 and make all sort of outrageous claims.

I think when we finally get a true benchmark the 480 is going to be classed as lacking...

I did like the hey were copying the eyefinity system and adding 3D to it way to go Nvidia or should that be way to slow Nvidia

Let's be honest here: None of us really want Fermi to fail. If it is a monumental flop, I think NVidia will be under severe pressure, and that's bad for competition.

Not at all. Just Epicly disappointed that they're so late to market with what could look to be a weak product after all the marketing hype they went through.

Agreed. Hence my earlier comment: hopefully when they do get around to launching Fermi, it will drive down prices of those delicious Radeon 5xxx's.

Considering that nVidia would presumably use a benchmark that would show off their hardware to best effect I'm really surprised that they aren't further ahead of the 5870. I thought that the 480 would compete with the 5970, guess not.

well you see Nvidia and ATi don't release things at the same time, almost always Nvidia releases its "next gen" chips first and ATi has to play catchup, in this case the R5000 series was designed to be a competitor for the N200 series hence what I meant by the 5870 being last gen, the competitor for the 400 series will be the 6000 series.

basically this came about because nvidia released the GF3 and GF4 so close together so ATi released the 8500 series to compete with the GF3 but didn't have an answer to the GF4 until the 9x00, then Nvidia released the 5x00 and ATi released the X00 series to compete, Nvidia released the 6x00 series and so on and so on

I don't agree. Performance wise, the 5000 series not only competes with but beats the 200 series at most price points. The 5970 is the fastest card in the world and has been for some time now. But the biggest lead ATI have is actually in terms of features; with the 5000 cards, they were the first to market with DX11. Thus, in my view, Nvidia are now the ones playing catchup.

It is not that I am fan of nvidia or ATI but it seems to me that this graph has more meaning than what people here seems to be apreciating. If this demo represents anything about what would be the average DX11 game making extensive use of teselation in the future, there is a remarkable difference in min fps. The Ati goes down to about 17-18fps while Nvidia min is about 32-33. This is about double the performance. When the graphic load is not too intensive all cards are good but when graphic load really stress then not so. If you consider also that the minimun acceptable framerate for good gameplay is 30fps (like most console games these days), ATI just does not make it.

Also the higher variance of the ATI makes me wonder if the demo code has been optimized for nvidia hardware.

I am looking forward to see benchmarks on current games, though I would not be surprised to find out that there is much less difference in current games than in this graph between the 2 cards, at least for now.

About the timing of realease I just think that all companies like to release their products earlier than their competitors and try to do it, it is always a maket advantage but not every time the most powerfull company is in a position to do it. Nvidia would have realeased earlier if they had had less problems during Fermi development. They had to beat several technological barriers difficult to overcome, that were not there in previous generations.

Another concern I have is the view of developers regarding nvidia physx. When they plan to do a DX11 game, will they sign an exclusivity deal to handle physx with nvidia proprietary system or will they do it universally to reach a wider audience. I guess that then this goes down to politics and finance factors (very much like exclusive titles for consoles).

six months later and amd is still close i think that nvidia is to late came with fermi. amd is in pozition that he can make a new card

Isn't that biased? Nvidia releasing benchmarks which shows their card competing with a rival company. I'm just gonna wait till benchmarks which aren't from Nvidia or ATI.

Even though products have to be marketed a certain way, I'm not convinced with this one That doesn't mean to say that as a consumer I'm ungrateful for this continued research and development, however. It's just that..what are the main selling points for this card? Well, in my opinion the sales pitch seems to be based on very selective criteria.

- It's benchmarked in an nVidia Lab, using tessellation..what about real-world tests right across the board?
- Currently technology doesn't seem that far behind, especially considering most games are DX9.0 or 10.
- Most of the cards I saw in THG's recent gaming roundup were AMD/ATI.

I have a vision that this GTX 480 will be a beast of a gaming card, and also a beast on your wallet..but also a card that just sits there waiting to be exploited. I also think that cheaper version will have DX11 compatibility - but not DX11 performance.

If nVidia wants to compete with AMD then I think it needs to put performance and cost before feature sets. AMD seems to be getting the balance right at the moment..and doesn't need to be in that much of a rush to win this particular race.

Just my opinion of course as a consumer and I stand to be corrected since this technology is new.