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In article <marc.heusser-70B49B.12172104092004@individual.net>, Marc
Heusser <marc.heusser@CHEERSheusser.comMERCIALSPAMMERS.invalid> wrote:

> In article <020920042344574248%timcmay@removethis.got.net>,
> Tim May <timcmay@removethis.got.net> wrote:
>
> > The best quality items are now made offshore. Products actually "made
> > in America" are usually assembled by ex-cons, or current cons (prison
> > labor), Mexicans, Haitians, or, in some cases, by inner city negro
> > welfare cases.
> >
> > When I buy a product, I look for assembly outside one of the "we be
> > niggaz" assembly zones. In other words, I look for quality, offshore
> > assembly.
> >
> > None of my Macs were built by niggers.
>
> Do you get away with that in the US?
> Your language and thinking could get you into trouble over here.

We are free people, not the Eurotrash that the blacks wants us to
become.

--Tim May

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In article <7ulpj0hh0m35uk6ltc02125vuk3vni5vpf@4ax.com>,
North <northmt@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 09:22:39 -0700, Michelle Steiner
> <michelle@michelle.org> said:
>
> >In article <ji4oj0dnehldi1n81c23ru160qde38mceq@4ax.com>,
> > Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
> >
> >> >Stop Mad Cowboy Disease: Vote for John Kerry.
> >>
> >> Support brain damage. Vote for John Kerry
> >
> >Vote for lies, deception, theft, dishonesty, oppression, repression,
> >and Big Brother: vote for George W. Bush.
>
> Support the nanny state, be a socialist, get on welfare, vote for
> Kerry.

if the choice is between a nanny state and the repressive totalitarian
state that Bush and his cronies want to impose, I'll choose the nanny
state. You have a better chance rebelling against a nanny than against
a murderous group of thugs.

--
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In article <mab%c.14630$kY1.3757460@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>,
Sparky <nemo@moon.sun.edu> wrote:

> > And even today..given the terrorist tactics of other Democrat/Lefty
> > organizations like ALF/ELF
>
> "ALF/ELF"?

Animal Liberation Front and Earth Liberation Front--the nut fringe cases
of the animal rights and ecology movements. Their counterparts on the
right are Operation Rescue, Army of God, the NRA, etc.

--
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In Re: Are Apple Notebooks Made in the USA ? on Mon, 06 Sep 2004
17:43:43 -0700, by domanova, we read:

>In article <78rpj0hk73bvj9k39r455mq2rovcaugvkv@4ax.com>, Gunner
><gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
>
>> How so?
>
>Police officers tend to be uneducated working class people--both by
>origin and present circumstances.
>
>> Odd that its been the Left who use Demonization as their primary tool.
>> The Evil republicans are going to kick grandma out into the snow. They
>> are going to poison your children, the air, the land and the water.
>> They want to starve your children by not giving them free school
>> lunches, yada yada yada. Do you need a short listing of other
>> demonization terms used by the Left? Your last sentence is a prime
>> example of Leftwing hate speech. Bubbas? Ignorant southing working
>> class white men as an all encompassing bubble?
>>
>> Its good to see you out your bias and bigotry, so we know where you
>> stand when reading the rest of your dreck.
>
>None of the above is worthy of a response. Besides, you chose a
>particularly bad word in "demonization": it's the religious right that
>really believes in demons.
>
>> See the hate spew and the bigotry? This from one of the standard
>> bearers for Tolerance and Diversity? Right.
>
>No. No. And no.
>
>> Now would you care to present a listing of the years prior to the
>> 104th Congress, where Congress was not Demoncrat controlled? Ill be
>> waiting with bated breath. Feel free to go back to 1964, and lets see
>> who was in charge of the policies and purse strings. Double Dog Dare
>> you.
>
>You're forgetting--or, more likely, you simply never knew--that
>Southern Democrats are further to the Right than most Republicans.
>This was particularly true in the 100 years or so after the Civil War.
>Remember, Lincoln was a Republican, and the Republican Party used to
>stand for loftier ideals than tax cuts for the rich and preemtive war
>for the poor.

Which I suppose is why Lincoln in 1861 chose to close the doors
of Congress, arrest judges and legislators, close newspapers,
create the draft (and the ensuing riots) and start a war and then
rewarded his European and domestic business backers by beginning
the military/industrial complex.

On the other hand, WWI, WWII, Korea and Viet Nam were all
underwritten by Democrat presidents.


<snipped>

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In article <060920041743436959%domanova@domanova.invalid>,
domanova <domanova@domanova.invalid> wrote:

> > How so?
>
> Police officers tend to be uneducated working class people--both by
> origin and present circumstances.

I will have to disagree with you on that matter. Most police officers
have above average intelligence, are well educated, and come from just
about every walk of life. True, there are some who are bullies who hide
behind a badge, but the vast majority are honest, hard working people
who take their oaths to uphold the law very seriously.

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On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 00:22:25 -0700, Michelle Steiner
<michelle@michelle.org> wrote:

>In article <7ulpj0hh0m35uk6ltc02125vuk3vni5vpf@4ax.com>,
> North <northmt@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 09:22:39 -0700, Michelle Steiner
>> <michelle@michelle.org> said:
>>
>> >In article <ji4oj0dnehldi1n81c23ru160qde38mceq@4ax.com>,
>> > Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >> >Stop Mad Cowboy Disease: Vote for John Kerry.
>> >>
>> >> Support brain damage. Vote for John Kerry
>> >
>> >Vote for lies, deception, theft, dishonesty, oppression, repression,
>> >and Big Brother: vote for George W. Bush.
>>
>> Support the nanny state, be a socialist, get on welfare, vote for
>> Kerry.
>
>if the choice is between a nanny state and the repressive totalitarian
>state that Bush and his cronies want to impose, I'll choose the nanny
>state. You have a better chance rebelling against a nanny than against
>a murderous group of thugs.

See the hate, see the mindless spewing of Liberal Propaganda. I
wonder..is Michael Moore the Hutt any relation to you? Or have you
just watched far too many repeats of Fairinlie 9-11 and the
programming has taken hold?

chuckle..Comrade Lenin really called it when he spoke of Useful
Idiots.

Ok..Ill play your silly assed game. Without refering to your DNC
talking points crib sheet, please advise exactly what this :repressive
totalitarian state" is all about, and please give some examples and
cites. Not blogs mind you..but cites.

As to rebelling against a murderous group of thugs..seems like we here
in the US have done that at least once..and since we (unlike you
wimpering defenseless bastards) are heavily armed..can do it again.

Now about Bush's plans for a "repressive totalitarian state", lets see
some data.

Gunner

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child -
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke

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On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 04:59:19 GMT, Sparky <nemo@moon.sun.edu> wrote:

>Gunner wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 10:12:01 -0700, domanova
>> <domanova@domanova.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>In article <michelle-48011E.09483706092004@news.west.cox.net>, Michelle
>>>Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>None of my Macs were built by niggers.
>>>>>
>>>>>Can't you Kerry supporters keep your politics to yourself?
>>>>
>>>>He sounds more like a Bush supporter to me.
>>>
>>>Definitely a red state Bushie. And you can be fairly certain that he
>>>is:
>>>
>>>1) a "he"
>>>2) white
>>>3) working class earning less than $20,000/year
>>>4) uneducated past high school
>>>5) fundamentally unhappy
>>>6) looking for someone whom he can blame for item 5
>>>7) vulnerable to the kind of flag-waving and hate mongering upon which
>>>the Republican Party has built its electoral successes for the past 40
>>>years.
>>
>> Oddly enough..as an ex police officer..the list above looks more like
>> the Democrats Ive encountered in the line of duty, than anything else.
>> And what electorial successes in the last 40 yrs are you referring to?
>> Its only been since 1994 that the Right has had any significant input
>> to the process, 104th Congress as I recall. So that would clearly
>> indicate that the prior 30 yrs of malfeasance in office was a Democrat
>> thing, no?
>
>HUH! What about Ronnie Raygun? Bush41? IIRC, RWR had some Repug
>majorities in one of both houses of the Congress. 1994 is when the US
>went over a cliff and its fortunes declined precipitously (as in
>straight down).

The Republicans took control in 1994, during the 104th Congress. Now
about the 30 yrs before that....???

Now again you display your political ignorance like a proud banner
lifted high in a breeze. Didnt you ever learn anything in school?
Hummm NEA runs the schools....never mind....

When Reagan took office in 1981, the US economy was in shambles. We
have difficulty remembering how bad the economy was under Carter, but
it was described in terms of the "misery index," and the word
"stagflation" was coined to refer to the double-whammy of economic
stagnation combined with runaway inflation. The automotive industry
was on the verge of collapse under the pressure from Japanese
competition and an oil crisis. The American way of life itself seemed
to be in serious jeapordy. It wasn't the Great Depression, but it was
as close as we've come to it since.

The top tax rate was 70% when Reagan took office. He got it cut in
half to 35%. At the same time, he eliminated many tax shelters that
the rich routinely relied on to avoid paying taxes altogether, forcing
them to invest in the free market and actually pay taxes. Shortly
after the tax cuts were enacted, the economy took off for an
unprecedented period of peacetime growth. The misery index plummeted
as unemployment fell, inflation slowed, and interest rates dropped,
leading to a seven-year boom that the liberal media cynically dubbed
"the decade of greed."

Eight years later George Bush swept into office on Reagan's coattails
and a pledge of "no new taxes." Although he tried to keep his pledge,
Bush ultimately succumbed to unrelenting pressure by the
Democratically controlled Congress to increase taxes. Not
surprisingly, the economy went into a mild recession, though nothing
like the recession of a decade earlier. Unemployment was well below
what it had been under Carter, and inflation was completely under
control. Nevertheless, the liberal media shamelessly dubbed it the
"worst economic period of the last fifty years."

The media hype succeeded at getting their man, Bill Clinton, elected.
Although barely reported, the Bush recession had actually ended before
Clinton even took office, with a vibrant 3.9% annual growth rate in
the last quarter of Bush's administration. In other words, the second
phase of the great Reagan economic boom had already begun before
Clinton even moved to Washington. But of course that didn't stop the
liberal media from giving Clinton credit for it and dubbing it the
"decade of prosperity."

How can we be sure the economic boom presided over by Clinton was
actually due to Reagan? It's simple. Even though Clinton increased tax
rates, the top rate after his tax hikes was still less than 40%, down
a full 30% from the 70% rate before Reagan's tax cuts. In terms of the
money left after taxes, that's a huge jump from (100-70=) 30% to
(100-40=) 60% -- a doubling of the amount of money that continues,
year after year, to go into the private economy rather than the
federal budget. It hardly takes an economist to understand the huge
effect on economic growth of doubling after-tax income.

Clinton also got credit for eliminating the federal deficit, of
course. It is no coincidence, however, that the deficit didn't start
coming down until the Republicans took control of Congress in 1994. As
for the touted "Reagan deficits," the indisputable fact is that
revenues grew tremendously during Reagan's two terms -- but spending
by the Democratically controlled Congress grew even faster, at an
astronomical rate. And contrary to the liberal media spin, the lion's
share of the growth of the federal budget under Reagan was not on
defense, but rather on social entitlement programs such as social
security and Medicare.

Contrary to Democratic demogoguery about "tax cuts for the rich,"
incidentally, the rich actually paid higher taxes after Reagan's tax
cuts. How could that be? Simple. Along with cutting tax rates, Reagan
also eliminated many tax shelters and loopholes. Before Reagan, the
rich avoided paying taxes by investing in windmills and other
boondoggles blessed by the federal government (the "targeted" tax cuts
that Al Gore wanted to reinstate). After Reagan, the rich shifted
their investments to the free market, greatly stimulating the private
economy and causing the information technology boom.

There's more to the story, of course, but everything else is really
secondary. In fairness, Clinton actually did a few things himself to
help the economy, such as opening up free trade and keeping the
Federal Reserve Board under competent leadership. On the other hand,
if Clinton had not been restrained by the Republicans, who took
control of Congress in the middle of his first term, he would have
raised taxes even more than he did, and his wife would have
nationalized the health care industry.

When Clinton was impeached, his party argued that he should be given a
pass because he was doing a good job managing the economy. Without the
huge economic boost from Reagan's tax cuts, Clinton might well have
been removed from office, or might have failed to win re-election.
Gore would have suffered a humiliating defeat in the election to
succeed him, or might have failed to even win the nomination. But
don't hold your breath waiting for the liberal media to start
reporting the truth. If America wants the Reagan economic boom to
continue, they need to figure out for themselves what caused it in the
first place.

Now about Reagan again? What were you spewing..er saying?

Gunner Asch

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child -
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke

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In article <ob3oj09elo6hidh88icunq5beumpc1q3st@4ax.com>,
Strabo <strabo@flashnet.com> wrote:

> In Re: Are Apple Notebooks Made in the USA ? on Sat, 04 Sep 2004
> 12:17:22 +0200, by Marc Heusser, we read:
>
> >In article <020920042344574248%timcmay@removethis.got.net>,
> > Tim May <timcmay@removethis.got.net> wrote:
....
> >> None of my Macs were built by niggers.
> >
> >Do you get away with that in the US?
>
> We not only "get away" with it, we consider it a necessary
> exercise of free speech.

Your freedom ends where someone else's begins.

> After all the word is simply Latin
> for black.

Thanks for the education. I happen to have had a thorough education in
Latin.
You may have learnt that the exact connotation of a word is likely to
change over time, and also differs in different regions of the world.
Words tend to change meaning based on history too.

For some information on the current meaning of the word, try any good
dictionary (Webster's, Oxford etc) or
http://open-dictionary.com/Nigger online.

> Sometimes the more academic term, "negroid", is
> used to shock the sensibilities.
>
> If one word can be legally banned then any word can be
> banned. It is better that people can display bias and have
> that addressed in public than suppressing thought and have
> this tension accumulate and emerge as overt conflict.
>
> >Your language and thinking could get you into trouble over here.
>
> Which indicates that not much has changed in the land
> of repression and suppression since the 1930s.

I happen to live in a country where the constitution is based on the one
of the United States.

> We know that skin color does not in itself mean lessor
> capability per individual, but as Americans we find that
> using politically incorrect speech in order to make a point,
> desensitizes words, keeps socialists off balance and government
> in its place.
>
> However, we are eagerly awaiting the first arrest for 'hate
> speech' and 'hate thoughts'. It will be interesting.

You may have missed history in school, if you think thinking does not
matter.

Missing respect for others is not a gentlemans delict.

As the groups you posted in are not meant for political discussion, this
concludes my arguments on this topic.

HTH

Marc

--
Marc Heusser
(remove the obvious: CHEERS and MERICAL...until end to reply via email)

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On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 04:55:44 GMT, Sparky <nemo@moon.sun.edu> wrote:

>Michelle Steiner wrote:
>
>> In article <donotusethis-F6FD01.09355006092004@corp.supernews.com>,
>> Admiral Crunch <donotusethis@itsafakeaddress.edu> wrote:
>>
>>>>None of my Macs were built by niggers.
>>>
>>>Can't you Kerry supporters keep your politics to yourself?
>>
>>
>> He sounds more like a Bush supporter to me.
>
>Sounds more like Bush to me (but with better grammar).

Sounds like more spew from the Left to me. Btw..hows that old Klanner
Byrd doing these days? Ill bet he wishes he were not to old to have
another black child and then hide it for all these years, no?

Just out of curiosity....just which administration besides Bush's has
had minority members in high cabinet positions?

Show me.

Gunner.

"At the core of liberalism is the spoiled child -
miserable, as all spoiled children are, unsatisfied,
demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless.
Liberalism is a philosphy of sniveling brats." -- P.J. O'Rourke

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In article <michelle-3B1A57.00222507092004@news.west.cox.net>,
Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> wrote:
>
>if the choice is between a nanny state and the repressive totalitarian
>state that Bush and his cronies want to impose, I'll choose the nanny
>state. You have a better chance rebelling against a nanny than against
>a murderous group of thugs.

"It may be better to live under robber barons than under
omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber barons cruelty may somtimes sleep, his
cupidity may at some point be satisfied; but those who torment us for our
own good, will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of
their own conscience."

T.S. Elliot

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Michelle Steiner <michelle@michelle.org> writes:

> In article <n5epj0hncn5kiki91e5dadt7vh8n7bbdsv@4ax.com>,
> Gunner <gunner@lightspeed.net> wrote:
[...]
> > If it wasnt for the Republicans..the Civil Rights Acts would never
> > have been passed as the Democrats were staunch racists.
>
> LOL. Those of us old enough to remember know that the Democrats
> championed the Civil Rights acts, and the Republicans fought against
> them tooth and nail. Of course, there were some exceptions like the
> Dixiecrats and Nelson Rockerfeller, but in the main, it was GOP against
> and Dems for Civil Rights.
>
Civil Rights Act of 1964:

House:
Democrats 152 for, 96 against.
Republicans 138 for, 34 against.

Senate:
Democrats 46 for, 21 against.
Republicans 27 for, 6 against.

You may note large majorities in both houses. The biggest threat to the
act was a 74-day filibuster in the Senate performed by southern Democrats.
Ending the filibuster would not have been possible without strong
Republican support.

There were several previous civil rights acts during the Eisenhower
administration (promoted by the administration, watered down by congressional
Democrats).

We now return you to your regularly scheduled off-topic drivel.
--
Dale J. Stephenson
dalestephenson@mac.com

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In article <marc.heusser-70B49B.12172104092004@individual.net>, Marc
Heusser <marc.heusser@CHEERSheusser.comMERCIALSPAMMERS.invalid> wrote:

> In article <020920042344574248%timcmay@removethis.got.net>,
> Tim May <timcmay@removethis.got.net> wrote:
>
> > None of my Macs were built by niggers.
>
> Do you get away with that in the US?
> Your language and thinking could get you into trouble over here.

Where do you live, exactly? Although I don't intend to defend a racist
like Tim, I'd be rather unsettled to live in a country where a poor
choice of words could put me on the wrong side of the law. If that's
what you meant. Americans place very high value on our free speech,
even if we don't always use it wisely.

Of course, if by "get you into trouble" you mean "get your ass kicked
so hard you'll be tasting shoe leather", then indeed, Tim could get
into similar trouble in the US.

--
-Thomas

<http://www.bitjuggler.com/>

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In article <070920041438254481%thomasareed@dont.spam.me>, Thomas Reed
<thomasareed@dont.spam.me> wrote:

> In article <marc.heusser-70B49B.12172104092004@individual.net>, Marc
> Heusser <marc.heusser@CHEERSheusser.comMERCIALSPAMMERS.invalid> wrote:
>
> > In article <020920042344574248%timcmay@removethis.got.net>,
> > Tim May <timcmay@removethis.got.net> wrote:
> >
> > > None of my Macs were built by niggers.
> >
> > Do you get away with that in the US?
> > Your language and thinking could get you into trouble