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This thread will never die as long as people with bad experiences complain about it and people with good experiences back it up. Since the quality of your computer experience is relative,there is no definite answer. WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

I have to agree with some and have to disagree with some . Personally these is my first and last Dell computer I'll every buy again . First I hate the motherboard . Foxconn they can suck X . I prefer a MSI AMD board any day .
Computer Specs
OS Name Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium
Version 6.1.7600 Build 7600
Other OS Description Not Available
OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation
System Name GARY-PC
System Manufacturer Dell Inc.
System Model Dell XPS720
System Type X86-based PC
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6300 @ 1.86GHz, 1866 Mhz, 2 Core(s), 2 Logical Processor(s)
BIOS Version/Date Dell Inc. A05, 1/3/2008
SMBIOS Version 2.3
Windows Directory
System Directory
Boot Device
Locale United States
Hardware Abstraction Layer Version = "6.1.7600.16385"
User Name Gary-PC\Gary
Time Zone Eastern Standard Time
Installed Physical Memory (RAM) 3.50 GB
Total Physical Memory 3.00 GB
Available Physical Memory 2.12 GB
Total Virtual Memory 5.99 GB
Available Virtual Memory 4.78 GB
Page File Space 3.00 GB
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Yes build you own regardless of cost. Build your own and spend days learning what components are good and what makes a compatible system and which ones perform better together. Then spend time selecting and ordering the specific parts. Then spend hours gathering information on how to assemble a computer. Next check all parts coming in and hope nothing is missing. Then spend hours reading instructions to assembly the computer - jumping between general instructions on how to do it the instructions for specific components that came with the parts. Next turn in on and hope it all works, if not, you can spend days trouble shooiting hardware issues. Then load the software and hope that all works. Then spend time testing the system. Finally Voila! you have a computer - after investing days and days of time.

If you consider it a hobby fine. But if you are doing it just to save money, then value yiour time at whatever you get paid for work. Now how much did you save? Lets say 2 days @ 8 hours = 16 hours @ 30 = $480. Hmmm. Mighty expensive labor costs. Might have been cheaper to buy a Dell.

I purchased a Dell computer and have been very happy with it. I also built my own and am very happy with it. But I did not build my own to save money - it cost me more considering the value of my time. But I considered it a hobby - something I wanted to do - so I am ahead. But not everyone feels that way. For you Neil, to say everyone shouild BYO or they are in the dark only shows your own bias and poor judgement.

Likewise to say Dell is one of the worst vendors , when they consistently top other vendors on conputer satisfaction surveys, again just shows blatant bias and foolishness.

Are you saying that they're built to self destruct at a certain point, so that you have to buy a new computer?

This would seem the case w\ alot of laptops, but surely not w\ desktops and servers. We have some 10-15 year old dell systems still chugging right along.

Perhaps that is because business users are more astute shoppers and more aware of life cycle costs - not just the concept but also the follow through to review actual performance. Of course the fact that the are spending a lot more for computers may also have something to do with that.

If customers were willing to pay for more dependable systems with longer lives (and assuming customers wanted them and were not concerned with obsolence), then I bet computer companies would build them.

But some companies have had to change their business model to sell down to the customer. HP is a good example. They used to target businesses (originally that was almost the only market) - IT experts and engineering types, and produce dependable products with long life cycles - and provide support for longer periods. I still am very happy with my good old HP 6MP laser printer that I purchased used about 10 years ago. I paid $350 for it used - it sold for aboutr $750 new - and a comparable business class printer todaywould cost about $200-250, although most people are buying ones for only $100-150 for a consumer printer with a smaller duty cycle. So despite 10 years inflation, they have to sell the product for 1/4 of the previous cost. Obviously technology improvements and outsourcing have had major impacts, but they have also changed their design and support to accommodate customer demands.

My first computer was a gift... and cost $2000. I think it was 200mhz, maybe 128mb ram, 2gb hdd.

growing up w\ prices like that really influences alot of my buying decisions since stuff now is so much faster, and dirt cheap.

Just got my latest dell the other day. $65 total including shipping from ebay. Gx520, 3.2ghz p4 ht, 512mb ram, 320gb sata drive, dvdrw drive, xp professional installed w\ COA.

Dude, people have to pay other people to dispose of that crap. There are all sorts of companies that get paid to remove that crap, then they sell it people on ebay. Enjoy ur outdated crap.

Ah, give him a little slack. He just joined 2 days ago and already has 55 posts. Obviously he is just going around making whatever lame comment he can to bump his rating. I guess the poor guy doesn't realize it gets him nothing.

Or maybe he really thinks you need a fast computer to email, surf, and use MS Office - the limited demands of most PC owners. Even very few business users need any more than that - the most common clerical and basic professional level positions don't began to tax the power of the computer Itad purchased for $65 - and would not suprise me if it also came with a lot of other software installed as well, that in itself might have been worth more than the $65.

But let him work on his ranking since he has been so industrious in doing that.

Lol, my first computer was a Pentium 3, 233 MHz, and 64 MB RAM. The first computer I used was one of those old-school ones with the Turbo Button and genuine floppy disk drive.

That said, the choice between pre-built and custom-built depends on the user. If you want to play the latest games with almost max settings in extremely high resolution, then you should build your own rig. If you're just looking for a box for internet surfing and watching movies, it's easier to just buy a pre-built. I mean.. you shouldn't put in the time and effort to build a computer that you're hardly going to use.

I've got 3 systems from Dell and love them all (2 laptops + 1 desktop). They're all getting on the old side, but they still run perfectly smoothly. Sure, I can't play Crysis in any way, shape, or form.. but I'm enjoying my computing experience. ^^;

That is quite a claim - one that frankly I do not believe - even if you were foolish enough to order a lot of expensive upgrades. How about supporting it with a link to the Dell System price and your list of components.

Why do you think I am being defensive? And why the backward attack that way?
I had serious questions about your statments so I voiced them. And it turns out I was right. Why now attack me?
Seems more like you are the one being defensive.

It also seems like you still are not being straight with us either. Since you did not post the link on the Dell, I priced it out - $738 with shipping is the current price - compared to your $850. So you to make the comparison come out like you wanted you increased the Dell purchase price by over $100 and understated the cost of the BYO system by about $200.

You seem to disagree with my comment about foolish upgrades. Is it smart to pay Dell $40 to add a wireless card that you can purchase, according to your list for $15. Or smart to pay Dell $210 to upgrade a process that you can purchase stand alone for $130? Or what about $80 to add 2 GB of memory when you can purchase it - again on your list for about half that? That is an extra $145 of the total price - yes I consider that foolish. Especially for someone trying to compare it to the option of BYO - so those should be easy changes.

And what about all the labor to put it together? Do you know of any manufactured products that are sold just for the price of components? But it is a bad deal for a company to charge for its labor? Further, how can you consider BYO a viable alternative when you were too lazy to put in your CPU upgrade and add 2 GB of memory and a wireless card that would have saved you $145.

In the face of your obfuscation, your sarcastic attack at the end only makes you look all the more foolish. And it too is based on not being straight. I never said you were foolish for wanting a faster processor or more RAM, only for ordering them from Dell instead of adding them in yourself. Its so funny - you want to attack ordering from Dell compared to BYO but at the same time defend not evening upgrading on your own to save money.

So I think it has been proven I had good cause to question your statements. And despite that you launch into a bogus, personal retailiatory attack that only continues to mislead all the more.

My entire last reply was not defensive in nature. Most of it was devoted to pointing out your erroneous statements. That is not defensive at all. Shame on you for again making a bogus personal attack and starting off your post with another lie.

Of course you are entitled to your own priorities and getting whatever items you want, but that does not make it not foolish. Your argument that it is not foolish because you are entitled to your priorities does not make any sense. You can be entitled to your priorities and make foolish or not foolish choices. The two are not related. But it is also foolish that you make that silly argument, but of course you are also entitled to be as foolish as you want.

You say you have documented proof but how do we know given your misleading statements and the current cost which is substantially lower. You have spent a lot of time attacking me, why not take a few moments to link to the cost of you machine?

The $210 is the cost of the processor upgrade charged by Dell. You were choosing to upgrade for $210 instead of buying the part for $130 and installing it yourself.

The paragraph was clearly talking about your upgrades fromn Dell. I guess I have to keep repeating all the details in each sentence for you to understand, but I assure you the average reader has no problem understanding that in context. Again your lame attacks only show your own foolishness.

I do not know which error you are refering to here.

My post was longer because I was being very specific in pointing out and proving the errors in yours rather than just throwing out general charges. That is only natural that it takes more space to point out and document errors. To attack me for that again just proves the perverted nature of your charges and your bogus retaliatory attacks. You could not use the adjective "foolish" because it is you that was foolish not me, and you that continue making foolish responses. And that you mistated the price both of the Dell and the BYO is a fact not an opinion. That your upgrades were foolish in that you paid a lot more for them then buying the parts and installing yourself is a fact not opinion.

You would be wise to follow the admonition of Mark Twain, "Better to be silent and thought a fool then to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

I see you still refuse to post documentation on the cost of your Dell but instead try to deflect attention by again making another inaccurate, misleading bogus attack. How ironic when you attack me for being inaccurate when it was you that posted the misleading information not me. And you are the one that continued to make bogus attacks on me requiring that I defend myself.

Reminds me of someone else..

I'm a High school student, so i don't have enought time to get a real job, or have the degree to get a decent job. So as a way of making money, I've taken to going to the local dump, and collecting the machine's there. Some of the stuff i sell to a scapper if it's realy old, but other stuff I part and sell on Ebay. It's amazing how people will just throw away 3.0-2.0ghzP4s/ Older C2Ds, buecuase a memory dimm or the HDD is dead. I part the machine's, and sell the parts on Ebay. People pay like 50$ for a Mobo, memory, and a cpu for a p4 system. 90% of the defective machines are Dells. I don't know if it's buecuase Dell makes low quality parts, or just bucuase they have a huge market controll, bue something is fishy about the quality of Dell machines.

Yeh. Most of the machines i see come in have bad Memory, or bad CPUs. Something about that dell mobo just fries them. One time i was testing a machine, i power it on, smell something burning. I turn it of, it it turns out the PSU had fried. Nearly burned my house down....

1) Yes, Dell can suck but when it comes to building a pc for £300 most of the time you can't beat it because of how cheap they get the os and labour.
2) Also not everyone 'pwnes n00bs on crysis with a 3 monitor setup', most people just surf the internet and do word processing.
3) Lastly my Mum isn't going to build her own pc is she ...
4) Matter of fact, not many people can or would build a pc.

Building you're own PC/ Disasembling PCs for scrap metal requires the brain of a squirell. After all, I can do it with ease.

Dell is there for the people out there that just need a computer that works for small business for school work or for just a home internet machine that can maybe pla some gaming and burn some DVDs. My parent had bought a dell 2 years ago i believe an xps studio something had a core 2 quad tons of ram a decent video card also came with a nice 2.1 speaker setup printer monitor keyboard mouse for $900 now i could a built one for them but would cost a few hundred more and just wasnt worth it for what they needed it for.

So dell and all the other pre builts out there have plenty of people out there that will have all there needs met by a dell. Now for an enthusiast like myself of course i would never buy a dell but that your choice no one forces you to buy it its there for who needs it and thats it.

I bought a Dell laptop 3 years ago. Ive taken it everywhere with me (even Iraq) and its still kickin hard. If you dont feel like trolling through different websites looking for the lowest price on X mobo or Y graphics card then ordering it all and having to put it together once you get it all Dell isnt a bad choice. I enjoy building my own computers, but I bought a cheap Dell for my wife to use for school. So all in all building your own computer > Dell, but Dell isnt all that bad...

Yeh, all prebuilt computers are lacking in quality, and price/preformance , espacialy if you don't want to buy an OS. The only good thing is the dell laptops. My dad got a centrino duo Dell 14" laptop like 4 years ago, for 400$, and it's still working nicely, and it's nice and thin.

Low end Dell laptops=Win.

High end Dell desktops= Fail.

Wha do you mean C2D hasn't come out on mobile yet? I have a C2D extreme 2.8ghx 6mb cache 45nm X9000 on my laptop, and am looking at buying a C2Q for it. Nevermind, dual core, quad core ahs been out for years.

...I've worked among them to. The best if you want to mimic the sound of a attack helicopter taking of, combined with the theraml output of a missle fired from a attack helicopter. In all those Car comerils they have a picture of a Helipotyer, and it ays enginered from planes, but the poweredge servers realy were the products that were direactly enginered from planes.

Muhahahahahahahahaha!

Yeah prebuilded pc are not meant for gaming but for surfing the net there fine.

I mean, right now I'm using a prebuilt HP XW 4400 Worksation. Not that I owuld ever buy one, My freind who works in the buisness bought like 100 WX4400s at a Govt Seizure auction, bucuase they had some expensive veido cards int them. I think some had soem Quadro FX 5800 cards in them, and others had Video streaming cards that were worth money. He offered my my current build for 250$, and i bought it from him, and then bought a 4870 1gb for it. IT's okay, but all the parts arn't comaptible with any upgrade i would want to do, so zero upgrade path. I definatly wouldn't pay the HP 3000$+ reatil price lol.

Oh Gee. "Consumer Reports, an independent and non-profit publication, released its latest ratings for computer tech support for laptops and desktops......The running selection for desktop brands was narrower with only four brands. Based on responses from owners of 3,711 desktop computers, Apple took top spot at 87 points out of 100. Dell scored 55 for second place; HP/Compaq scored 53 for third; and Acer/Gateway/eMachines grabbed another 39."

The much higher priced Apple continues in first place. First among all other brands, still Dell, despite all the anecdotal grousing we see above.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/c [...] ,9863.html

If you want to look beyond just the support, go to the CR website where you will see their top rated full sized desktop is the Dell XPS 9000.

Dell has had a few misques over the past several years, but independent evaluators consistently rate them at or near the top - over time their consistent performance tops any other brand name computer in the mainstream market.