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>>ALl I say is we don't know, and DirecTv won't say despite SEC guidelines
>>that might require it.
>
>
> Guidelines and requirements are not equivalent.
>
> Can you cite the SEC guidelines that address the issue?
>

Yeah, URL please? (sorry I couldn't help it ;-) ).

Randy S.

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On 09/01/2005 2:05 PM, Jack Zwick pondered briefly and then wrote:

> In article <4317420b$1_2@newspeer2.tds.net>,
> "Steve M. Mann" <rockermann@LOOSEITsteve-mann.com> wrote:
>
>> On 09/01/2005 12:51 PM, ric pondered briefly and then wrote:
>>
>> > Jack Zwick wrote:
>> >
>> >> In article <ZcvRe.5877$sw6.4589@fed1read05>, ric <nospam@home.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>Steve M. Mann wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>>I made no guess, and refuse to, I just called you on your guess of free
>> >>>>>upgrades.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Then you're guessing there won't be free upgrades. You can't have it
>> >>>>both ways.
>> >>>
>> >>>I see logic isn't your strong suit.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> You're the one with fault logic. If not "A" doesn't mean not "B".
>> >>
>> >> Sorry you didn't take logic in college.
>> >>
>> >> ALl I say is we don't know, and DirecTv won't say despite SEC guidelines
>> >> that might require it.
>> >
>> > Choose your battles wisely, Jack. And learn to follow attributes.
>> >
>> > My comment was in response to Steve's post, not yours. Or are you
>> > simply stuck in the attack mode?
>>
>> Now that wouldn't be very logical, would it?
>
> Now that I have my FREE HR10-250, I look forward to the day of my free
> MPEG4 HD-DVR upgrade. When did you all say that would be?

Most likely, just a few days after they send it.
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In article <43175d96$1_3@newspeer2.tds.net>,
"Steve M. Mann" <rockermann@LOOSEITsteve-mann.com> wrote:

> On 09/01/2005 2:05 PM, Jack Zwick pondered briefly and then wrote:
>
> > In article <4317420b$1_2@newspeer2.tds.net>,
> > "Steve M. Mann" <rockermann@LOOSEITsteve-mann.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 09/01/2005 12:51 PM, ric pondered briefly and then wrote:
> >>
> >> > Jack Zwick wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> In article <ZcvRe.5877$sw6.4589@fed1read05>, ric <nospam@home.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>>Steve M. Mann wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>>I made no guess, and refuse to, I just called you on your guess of
> >> >>>>>free
> >> >>>>>upgrades.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>Then you're guessing there won't be free upgrades. You can't have it
> >> >>>>both ways.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>I see logic isn't your strong suit.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> You're the one with fault logic. If not "A" doesn't mean not "B".
> >> >>
> >> >> Sorry you didn't take logic in college.
> >> >>
> >> >> ALl I say is we don't know, and DirecTv won't say despite SEC
> >> >> guidelines
> >> >> that might require it.
> >> >
> >> > Choose your battles wisely, Jack. And learn to follow attributes.
> >> >
> >> > My comment was in response to Steve's post, not yours. Or are you
> >> > simply stuck in the attack mode?
> >>
> >> Now that wouldn't be very logical, would it?
> >
> > Now that I have my FREE HR10-250, I look forward to the day of my free
> > MPEG4 HD-DVR upgrade. When did you all say that would be?
>
> Most likely, just a few days after they send it.

They don't send them, they are delivered by Installers.

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In article <fAIRe.174$pt.147@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>,
"Jack Ak" <akjack@excite.com> wrote:

>
> "Jack Zwick" <jackzwick@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:jackzwick-CF8F9F.07310701092005@newsclstr01.news.prodigy.com...
> > In article <ZcvRe.5877$sw6.4589@fed1read05>, ric <nospam@home.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Steve M. Mann wrote:
> > >
> > > >>I made no guess, and refuse to, I just called you on your guess of free
> > > >>upgrades.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Then you're guessing there won't be free upgrades. You can't have it
> > > > both ways.
> > >
> > > I see logic isn't your strong suit.
> >
> > You're the one with fault logic. If not "A" doesn't mean not "B".
> >
> > Sorry you didn't take logic in college.
> >
> > ALl I say is we don't know, and DirecTv won't say despite SEC guidelines
> > that might require it.
>
> Guidelines and requirements are not equivalent.
>
> Can you cite the SEC guidelines that address the issue?

http://www.sec.gov/edgar/quickedgar.htm

Anything that affects the finances of a Publically traded corporation
must be disclosed. Free upgrades of HD-DVRs to thousands would surely do
that.

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On 09/01/2005 3:05 PM, Jack Zwick pondered briefly and then wrote:

> In article <43175d96$1_3@newspeer2.tds.net>,
> "Steve M. Mann" <rockermann@LOOSEITsteve-mann.com> wrote:
>
>> On 09/01/2005 2:05 PM, Jack Zwick pondered briefly and then wrote:
>>
>> > In article <4317420b$1_2@newspeer2.tds.net>,
>> > "Steve M. Mann" <rockermann@LOOSEITsteve-mann.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 09/01/2005 12:51 PM, ric pondered briefly and then wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > Jack Zwick wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> In article <ZcvRe.5877$sw6.4589@fed1read05>, ric <nospam@home.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>>Steve M. Mann wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>>>I made no guess, and refuse to, I just called you on your guess of
>> >> >>>>>free
>> >> >>>>>upgrades.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>Then you're guessing there won't be free upgrades. You can't have it
>> >> >>>>both ways.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>I see logic isn't your strong suit.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You're the one with fault logic. If not "A" doesn't mean not "B".
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Sorry you didn't take logic in college.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ALl I say is we don't know, and DirecTv won't say despite SEC
>> >> >> guidelines
>> >> >> that might require it.
>> >> >
>> >> > Choose your battles wisely, Jack. And learn to follow attributes.
>> >> >
>> >> > My comment was in response to Steve's post, not yours. Or are you
>> >> > simply stuck in the attack mode?
>> >>
>> >> Now that wouldn't be very logical, would it?
>> >
>> > Now that I have my FREE HR10-250, I look forward to the day of my free
>> > MPEG4 HD-DVR upgrade. When did you all say that would be?
>>
>> Most likely, just a few days after they send it.
>
> They don't send them, they are delivered by Installers.

They'll be sending it with an installer.
--
Steve
http://www.soundclick.com/rockermann

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In article <431764c8$1_2@newspeer2.tds.net>,
"Steve M. Mann" <rockermann@LOOSEITsteve-mann.com> wrote:

> On 09/01/2005 3:05 PM, Jack Zwick pondered briefly and then wrote:
>
> > In article <43175d96$1_3@newspeer2.tds.net>,
> > "Steve M. Mann" <rockermann@LOOSEITsteve-mann.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 09/01/2005 2:05 PM, Jack Zwick pondered briefly and then wrote:
> >>
> >> > In article <4317420b$1_2@newspeer2.tds.net>,
> >> > "Steve M. Mann" <rockermann@LOOSEITsteve-mann.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On 09/01/2005 12:51 PM, ric pondered briefly and then wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Jack Zwick wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> In article <ZcvRe.5877$sw6.4589@fed1read05>, ric <nospam@home.com>
> >> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>>Steve M. Mann wrote:
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>>>I made no guess, and refuse to, I just called you on your guess of
> >> >> >>>>>free
> >> >> >>>>>upgrades.
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>Then you're guessing there won't be free upgrades. You can't have it
> >> >> >>>>both ways.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>I see logic isn't your strong suit.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> You're the one with fault logic. If not "A" doesn't mean not "B".
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Sorry you didn't take logic in college.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> ALl I say is we don't know, and DirecTv won't say despite SEC
> >> >> >> guidelines
> >> >> >> that might require it.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Choose your battles wisely, Jack. And learn to follow attributes.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > My comment was in response to Steve's post, not yours. Or are you
> >> >> > simply stuck in the attack mode?
> >> >>
> >> >> Now that wouldn't be very logical, would it?
> >> >
> >> > Now that I have my FREE HR10-250, I look forward to the day of my free
> >> > MPEG4 HD-DVR upgrade. When did you all say that would be?
> >>
> >> Most likely, just a few days after they send it.
> >
> > They don't send them, they are delivered by Installers.
>
> They'll be sending it with an installer.

I'll call retention twice a day between now and then.

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On 9/1/2005 3:49 PM, Jack Zwick pondered for some undetermined amount of
time then wrote:

> In article <431764c8$1_2@newspeer2.tds.net>,
> "Steve M. Mann" <rockermann@LOOSEITsteve-mann.com> wrote:
>
>> On 09/01/2005 3:05 PM, Jack Zwick pondered briefly and then wrote:
>>
>> > In article <43175d96$1_3@newspeer2.tds.net>,
>> > "Steve M. Mann" <rockermann@LOOSEITsteve-mann.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 09/01/2005 2:05 PM, Jack Zwick pondered briefly and then wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > In article <4317420b$1_2@newspeer2.tds.net>,
>> >> > "Steve M. Mann" <rockermann@LOOSEITsteve-mann.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On 09/01/2005 12:51 PM, ric pondered briefly and then wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Jack Zwick wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> In article <ZcvRe.5877$sw6.4589@fed1read05>, ric <nospam@home.com>
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>Steve M. Mann wrote:
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>>>I made no guess, and refuse to, I just called you on your guess of
>> >> >> >>>>>free
>> >> >> >>>>>upgrades.
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>Then you're guessing there won't be free upgrades. You can't have it
>> >> >> >>>>both ways.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>I see logic isn't your strong suit.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> You're the one with fault logic. If not "A" doesn't mean not "B".
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Sorry you didn't take logic in college.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> ALl I say is we don't know, and DirecTv won't say despite SEC
>> >> >> >> guidelines
>> >> >> >> that might require it.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Choose your battles wisely, Jack. And learn to follow attributes.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > My comment was in response to Steve's post, not yours. Or are you
>> >> >> > simply stuck in the attack mode?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Now that wouldn't be very logical, would it?
>> >> >
>> >> > Now that I have my FREE HR10-250, I look forward to the day of my free
>> >> > MPEG4 HD-DVR upgrade. When did you all say that would be?
>> >>
>> >> Most likely, just a few days after they send it.
>> >
>> > They don't send them, they are delivered by Installers.
>>
>> They'll be sending it with an installer.
>
> I'll call retention twice a day between now and then.

You'll fit right in.

--
Steve
http://www.soundclick.com/rockermann

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"Jack Zwick" <jackzwick@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:jackzwick-67AE20.15072001092005@newsclstr01.news.prodigy.com...
> In article <fAIRe.174$pt.147@newssvr25.news.prodigy.net>,
> "Jack Ak" <akjack@excite.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > "Jack Zwick" <jackzwick@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:jackzwick-CF8F9F.07310701092005@newsclstr01.news.prodigy.com...
> > > In article <ZcvRe.5877$sw6.4589@fed1read05>, ric <nospam@home.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Steve M. Mann wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >>I made no guess, and refuse to, I just called you on your guess of free
> > > > >>upgrades.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Then you're guessing there won't be free upgrades. You can't have it
> > > > > both ways.
> > > >
> > > > I see logic isn't your strong suit.
> > >
> > > You're the one with fault logic. If not "A" doesn't mean not "B".
> > >
> > > Sorry you didn't take logic in college.
> > >
> > > ALl I say is we don't know, and DirecTv won't say despite SEC guidelines
> > > that might require it.
> >
> > Guidelines and requirements are not equivalent.
> >
> > Can you cite the SEC guidelines that address the issue?
>
> http://www.sec.gov/edgar/quickedgar.htm
>
> Anything that affects the finances of a Publically traded corporation
> must be disclosed. Free upgrades of HD-DVRs to thousands would surely do
> that.

"... would surely do that." reads like speculation.

Can't you be more specific?

You could start with the "public" announcements from DirecTV that will
affect the finances of a publicly traded corporation. When did DirecTV
indicate there would be free upgrades of HD-DVRs to thousands?
Are you guessing about free upgrades? Did someone in a position
of authority at DirecTV tell you that you will receive a free upgrade?
Have you received a shipping notice of your free upgrade?

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Jack Ak (akjack@excite.com) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
> > Anything that affects the finances of a Publically traded corporation
> > must be disclosed. Free upgrades of HD-DVRs to thousands would surely do
> > that.
>
> "... would surely do that." reads like speculation.
>
> Can't you be more specific?
>
> You could start with the "public" announcements from DirecTV that will
> affect the finances of a publicly traded corporation. When did DirecTV
> indicate there would be free upgrades of HD-DVRs to thousands?

To be honest, though, it's not enough money to even bother with. There
are less than 250,000 HR10-250 units in service, and even if everyone got
a completely free unit that costs (not sells for, but *costs*) $500, it's
only $125M.

DirecTVs' costs for upgrading security card were over $20/receiver for over
20M receivers...that's $400M right there.

Giving already-paying users a receiver that can get more channels (and thus
get more revenue per month) is a no-brainer compared to a card swap that
resulted in very few new subscriptions from previous pirates.

--
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| love his fake wife's mother's best friend?"
|
| -- Ned Dorsey, "Ned and Stacey"

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In article <h5MRe.307$I91.193@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com>,
"Jack Ak" <akjack@excite.com> wrote:

> You could start with the "public" announcements from DirecTV that will
> affect the finances of a publicly traded corporation. When did DirecTV
> indicate there would be free upgrades of HD-DVRs to thousands?
> Are you guessing about free upgrades? Did someone in a position
> of authority at DirecTV tell you that you will receive a free upgrade?
> Have you received a shipping notice of your free upgrade?

No, yes, and no; and thats been my point.

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"Jeff Rife" <wevsr@nabs.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d7f95d85667dc78989f64@news.nabs.net...
> Jack Zwick (jackzwick@yahoo.com) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
>> > All speculation aside, I have been treated VERY well by DirecTV. That
>> > is
>> > factual, and based on over 10 years of experience with them. Have they
>> > been
>> > perfect? No. Have they been very good? Yes.
>>
>> Have they changed ownership? Yes.
>
> Have any policies about discounted or free hardware changed after the
> ownership change? No!
>
> --
> Jeff Rife |
> | http://www.nabs.net/Cartoons/Rhyme [...] orADog.jpg


Two year contract, instead of one year required for upgrades.

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jolt (ergoacess@yahoo.com) wrote in rec.video.satellite.dbs:
> > Have any policies about discounted or free hardware changed after the
> > ownership change? No!
>
> Two year contract, instead of one year required for upgrades.

There is nothing in any ads (at least locally) for DirecTV
receivers/new installs that say a 2-year committment is required. All
mention just one year, like before.

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In article <TYudnVFwLZXs1IbeRVn-rg@comcast.com>,
"jolt" <ergoacess@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> "Jeff Rife" <wevsr@nabs.net> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1d7f95d85667dc78989f64@news.nabs.net...
> > Jack Zwick (jackzwick@yahoo.com) wrote in alt.video.ptv.tivo:
> >> > All speculation aside, I have been treated VERY well by DirecTV. That
> >> > is
> >> > factual, and based on over 10 years of experience with them. Have they
> >> > been
> >> > perfect? No. Have they been very good? Yes.
> >>
> >> Have they changed ownership? Yes.
> >
> > Have any policies about discounted or free hardware changed after the
> > ownership change? No!
> >
> > --
> > Jeff Rife |
> > | http://www.nabs.net/Cartoons/Rhyme [...] orADog.jpg
>
>
> Two year contract, instead of one year required for upgrades.

Upgrades to "Advanced equipment" translation HDTV receivers -
now generate a 2 year committment

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In article <MPG.1d8531fea1579b91989f70@news.nabs.net>,
Jeff Rife <wevsr@nabs.net> wrote:

> jolt (ergoacess@yahoo.com) wrote in rec.video.satellite.dbs:
> > > Have any policies about discounted or free hardware changed after the
> > > ownership change? No!
> >
> > Two year contract, instead of one year required for upgrades.
>
> There is nothing in any ads (at least locally) for DirecTV
> receivers/new installs that say a 2-year committment is required. All
> mention just one year, like before.

Except for "Advanced Equipment" - translation: HDTV receivers

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Gordon L. Burditt opined:
----"Has ANYONE got anything in writing from DirecTv in response to a
question? A response to how a particular service will cost (including
all the taxes and bits they forgot to advertise)?
(They seem to REALLY hate that question,so I never subscribed since I
never got an answer).
A response to a request for instructions on how to use a hacked access
card? (even if it's a disconnect notice or a nasty letter from a lawyer
about stealing service).A statement that HBO isn't free,not even for
senior citizens? A DMCA takedown notice? A subpoena?"----


Reply:
By your phraseology,and construction you sound like an attorney to me
yourself.....but I am only guessing.
Do you expect that the average layman CSR is going to have knowledge of
legal issues? Or even a Technical Services Representative for that
matter? They are only LAYMEN when it comes to some of the clearly LEGAL
issues you bring up in your diatribe.
When the average consumer calls,the issues of policy concerning the
Digital Millennium Copyright Act is not going to be in the minds or even
available on either side.
And why would you expect senior citizens to get free programming? Some
of those people are richer than the under 55 crowd and can afford their
own HBO.I get tired of hearing that they should be some kind of
privileged class.
To most of your questions,the source to most of them would be to
contact the LEGAL DEPARTMENT of DirecTV corporate would not you think?
As to using a hacked access card,asking that kind of question would be
a little absurd would not it? "Oh,yes sir,that particular card was
previously used for theft of service,but we can go ahead and authorize
it for you anyway!"
GET REAL!
And as to advertising qualifications,the ADVERTISING department is who
you should contact there at DirecTV.CSR's are there just to sell
programming and tech service reps are to solve TECHNICAL
problems,nothing else.
Lay people who probably only make a small salary on the phone are not
the ones to ask.

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"Jeff Rife" <wevsr@nabs.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d8531fea1579b91989f70@news.nabs.net...
> jolt (ergoacess@yahoo.com) wrote in rec.video.satellite.dbs:
>> > Have any policies about discounted or free hardware changed after the
>> > ownership change? No!
>>
>> Two year contract, instead of one year required for upgrades.
>
> There is nothing in any ads (at least locally) for DirecTV
> receivers/new installs that say a 2-year committment is required. All
> mention just one year, like before.
>
> --
> Jeff Rife |
> |
> http://www.nabs.net/Cartoons/Sherm [...] ysMoon.gif


Programming Commitment:
Customers purchasing a DIRECTV Standard System agree to a 12-month
programming commitment. Customers purchasing a DIRECTV HD, DIRECTV DVR, or
DIRECTV HD DVR System agree to a 24-month programming commitment.
Programming commitments require that a subscription to a qualifying
programming package be maintained, uninterrupted, for the entire duration of
the programming commitment.

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jolt (ergoacess@yahoo.com) wrote in rec.video.satellite.dbs:
> Customers purchasing a DIRECTV Standard System agree to a 12-month
> programming commitment. Customers purchasing a DIRECTV HD, DIRECTV DVR, or
> DIRECTV HD DVR System agree to a 24-month programming commitment.

This seems to be only for new customers, since I haven't had any change
in my committment even though I have purchased several items that should
qualify for a 2-year committment.

Also, from this, it's not an HD thing...it's anything other than a "standard"
receiver.

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