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^ And 42kg is considered fat now?

 

My copy of the latest CDC pediatrics growth charts say 42 kg is very normal for a 13-year-old girl- it's just a little under the 50th percentile. That's an acceptable weight as long as you're taller than about 150 cm and ideal if you're between 155 and 160 cm.

 

EDIT: For yipsl, 42 kg is 92 pounds. 150 cm is 4' 11", 155 cm is 5' 1", and 160 cm is 5' 3". Your 190 lb weight by comparison is 86 kg and your 160-pound wife weighs 73 kg. There are 2.54 centimeters per inch and 0.454 kg per pound (or 2.2 lb per kg.) If you go to the doctor's office, you can guarantee that your measurements are recorded in metric as just about everything in medicine is now metric. I suppose that is because BMI is kg/m^2 and drug dosages, particularly IV drugs are all mg/kg. Your foods are measured in metric as the Calorie and grams are metric- SAE/English would be BTU and grains (1/7000 pound) respectively. Even the growth charts are metric, although there is an SAE/English scale on them as well.

 

And about the women...I find healthy women attractive. I like ones that are not overly skinny nor overweight. I'm particularly partial to the athletic type as they're more prone to go with me to the gym and the trails and I like to go to the gym and the trails. It's nice to have somebody to talk to there as well as getting spotted on the bench press. The staff will oblige grudgingly with the latter but they aren't real prone to help if you are not one of the frat boys trying to bench your absolute max as you might do more than one rep and distract them from their job of talking on their cell phone. It's also funny to see big guys who are very out of shape coming in and lifting less than a girl that's a foot shorter and an easy 100-120 pounds lighter. I never say anything to them as it's great they're coming in to lift as maybe they'll stick with it as it's good for them, but it's still a bit funny.

 
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I actually could do well enough with a Celeron and GMA 950 graphics for the kinda stuff I do all the time with my computer (which is web surfing and tablet drawing). No point in upgrading yet. If fact I just have a way overpowered computer...........meh.........

 

The 945G/GM aka GMA 950 is a very poor IGP. I should know as my laptop has the 945GM chipset. It works passably with strict 2D work and struggles with any sort of 3D load, even something as small as a composited desktop. It also does not accelerate video playback one iota, meaning that everything is done via CPU. The system with its 1.06 GHz C2D ULV can't even play 640x480 H.264 video smoothly- it has to be MPEG-2 or Xvid to play smoothly, and then it takes up 80% of the CPU cycles to play. My desktop's X2 4200+ and x1900 play back the same video with 15% CPU usage. I tried to play a relatively simple FPS game at 640x480 with all settings on low and got 7-14 FPS...terrible. My 6-year-old 1.8 P4-M laptop with a Radeon M9000 (RV250LF) and 1/6 the RAM could handle the game at 1280x1024 and good quality and get about 40 FPS. You were very wise to get the RS690 as it's a ton better than the GMA 950, a ton better.

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EDIT: For yipsl, 42 kg is 92 pounds. 150 cm is 4' 11", 155 cm is 5' 1", and 160 cm is 5' 3".

And about the women...I find healthy women attractive. I like ones that are not overly skinny nor overweight. I'm particularly partial to the athletic type as they're more prone to go with me to the gym and the trails and I like to go to the gym and the trails.



I could have looked it up, but I was just being snarky as well as intellectually lazy. Never could do conversions in my head. Not pounds to kilos or Fahrenheit to Celsius. The scientists and electrical engineers are on my wife's side of the family.

We don't drive and actually walk alot when we don't take the bus. My wife used to bike everywhere, but at 49 (I'm 50), she doesn't get as much aerobic exercise as I do. She's gained 15 lbs in two years and I gained 30. Middle age does everyone in, unless you really work out 3 times a week.

We're going to get back into Tai Chi (never could do a forward roll well in Aikido), but otherwise, we are now mouse potatoes who are changing our eating habits to compromise. Our son's 7 and he keeps us moving too.

The German American side of my wife's family tends towards big boned and can get too fat, but the Scandinavian side's slim. My Scotch Irish mother's side is slim too, but I've always been short and pudgy, must be my father's long lost relatives.

The USAF charts for both men and women nowadays have 130 to 170 as the range allowed, but I figure from my 38" girth that I should be 160. My wife's bigger boned and 1" taller than me, so she's closer to her ideal weight.

Never did like really thin girls or non-athletic big girls either. My wife used to out ride me on bikes, but I could always outwalk her, especially climbing hills. Different muscle groups. Neither one of us is into weights at the gym, or the typical music oriented aerobics.

We did do some LARPing, that got us running around a bit, and we still have chainmail and studded leather to prove it! That was over a decade ago. Now, all our role playing is in LOTR Online.

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amdfangirl wrote :

I'm 157cm and turning 14 in November........



Then you are spot-on as far as height and weight goes.

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My Core 2 Macbook actually beats my 690G computer in Transformers the game (fps)! I think its mainlt to do with the processor tho........ (2.16GHZ 4MB L2 C2D GMA 950 3GB 667vs 2.3GHZ 1MB L2 690G 4GB 667 dual channel)

But in Empire at War......... GMA 950 gets beaten so badly its not funny!



It could be any number of things as you are running two different games using two different rendering APIs on two different OSes. A 2.16 C2D is a little faster than the 2.3 GHz X2 but not significantly so.

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32 kg 149cm 13 years



Your height is about the 25th percentile, which is fine. Your weight is below the 3rd percentile- you might be a little bit thin if the 32 kg figure is correct (70.4 pounds.) Has your physician said anything to you about that?

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I could have looked it up, but I was just being snarky as well as intellectually lazy. Never could do conversions in my head. Not pounds to kilos or Fahrenheit to Celsius. The scientists and electrical engineers are on my wife's side of the family.



It runs in both sides of my family- I guess it's in my genes.

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We don't drive and actually walk alot when we don't take the bus. My wife used to bike everywhere, but at 49 (I'm 50), she doesn't get as much aerobic exercise as I do. She's gained 15 lbs in two years and I gained 30. Middle age does everyone in, unless you really work out 3 times a week.



I hope to be able to still go to the gym when I'm your age. Probably more than that I hope that everything still works well and I don't end up with bad knees or a bad back or something like that. I have people in my family with both and I hope I can dodge that bullet. Maybe, maybe not. I do try to be careful about riding a bike or swimming in addition to running to preserve my knees and also am careful about my form when I lift weights. I have a pretty small frame for my height and weight (5' 10" and 165 pounds [177 cm and 75 kg]) as my wrists and ankles are about the same size as most women's. A part of my typical workout is doing 3x8s with 215 pounds (97 kg) on the bench and I have put up 265 (120 kg) as a max. That's why I concentrate on good form so much as my joints would be far less forgiving of sloppy form than somebody with a normal-sized frame and more resilient joints. That and my dad would give me crap for being younger and out of shape as he's older than you are but is in very good shape.

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The German American side of my wife's family tends towards big boned and can get too fat, but the Scandinavian side's slim. My Scotch Irish mother's side is slim too, but I've always been short and pudgy, must be my father's long lost relatives.



I'm mostly German and some Irish. There is really only one person in either side of my family that is pudgy; most are normal-sized.

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Never did like really thin girls or non-athletic big girls either. My wife used to out ride me on bikes, but I could always outwalk her, especially climbing hills. Different muscle groups. Neither one of us is into weights at the gym, or the typical music oriented aerobics.



Lifting weights is good for you. It helps to build bone density and having the ability to lift heavier things and do heavier work outside the gym is a definite plus as well. Especially when it's just you and your girlfriend, who is just a tad bigger than amdfangirl. If anything needs moved, it's pretty much just me moving it. She is reasonably strong for her size, but I'd probably break her if I had her help me carry anything reasonably heavy.


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Lifting weights is good for you. It helps to build bone density and having the ability to lift heavier things and do heavier work outside the gym is a definite plus as well. Especially when it's just you and your girlfriend, who is just a tad bigger than amdfangirl. If anything needs moved, it's pretty much just me moving it. She is reasonably strong for her size, but I'd probably break her if I had her help me carry anything reasonably heavy.



Well, my knees started hurting a bit this year, but not walking or climbing hills, only sitting down for long periods. I've talked to my relative who's a family practice physician in the Air Force about it and she says it's pretty normal for 50+.

It's most likely osteoarthritis. I'll talk to my doctor about it at my next physical, but it's not all that bad. It just makes me feel stiff. I don't feel all that old, I feel psychologically like I'm still 30.

My idea of weight lifting is schlepping almost more groceries than I can carry back from the bus stop (about a block and a half). I go several times a week instead of buying everything at once and taking a cab back.

Plus we have a townhouse, so it's up and down stairs quite often. My kid keeps us active at the park. I try to climb around with him like the father's who are half my age.

I hope to be as fit at 70.


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The last time I went to the park to put on chainmail and bash other armored people with pvc + foam swords, I was 40. Most of the people doing it were college age and I felt like I should take up another hobby. I stopped pen and paper role playing around that time too.

Then, I met my wife and we've been in virtual heaven since. Even when we get out more, we can't wait to get back to the PC and adventure together. Sometimes I jokingly quote the line from "Serial Experiment Lain"

"The wired's the same as the real world".

I tried to get my wife to read Nick Bostrum's Simulation Argument papers, but she just laughs. She's the modder and graphic artist in the family. Me, I'm into philosophy, the Middle Ages and tech.

Renfairs are cool though, I've been going to them since the 70's. My wife likes them too, and we dress as peasants at the fair. She just never got into the wilder side of swinging rattan or foam swords around and wearing all that heavy armor.

Funny, in games, she likes bashing monsters up close, and I prefer being a minstrel or lore master. Quite the opposite of my fantasy recreation live action preferences.


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to tell you somthing AMd has more total bandwith even when Nehalem where AMD has up to 33GB/s intel will only have 25.6GB/s That's the current AMd Phenom's bandwith http://images.bit-tech.net/content_images/2008/03/intel_talks_nehalem
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Yeah I hope they update the Techreport article on Barcelona to reflect the new 50 series processors ... and if the cahe latency is much improved ... I sense not yet.

http://techreport.com/articles.x/13633


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Great .... the topic has improved.

Well the link speed went up from 1.8 to 2.0 ... so yes ... slightly.

Dunno if the HT3 has been fully implemented yet ... it seems not.

Not that it would matter a rats carcass on a single socket box with not much more cache latency than Grandma on an abacus.

It is a server chip ... When they went from 939 to AM2 the cache latency went up ... then up again with the Phenon L3 cache.

Like a very loose fan belt ... she squeals ... a lot.

Sloppy ... probably because the Engineers all left and the marketing guys finished the design work and did the rest.

The next respin will probably be completed by the rest of the guys who arrived on the "B Ark" once they have finished their bath ... in a couple of year.

I hope I still sound supportive and confident of a complete AMD turnaround.

Please feel free to berate me ... and I need some more Koolaid please ... the case they sent has no bubbles left ... alas it is flat.







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I did ... It put me in an existential vacuum.


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to tell you somthing AMd has more total bandwith even when Nehalem where AMD has up to 33GB/s intel will only have 25.6GB/s That's the current AMd Phenom's bandwith http://images.bit-tech.net/content [...] ks_nehalem
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What I'm curious about is I've just read that Nehalem will handle 3 or 6 DDR3 memory modules at a time. AM3 will use DDR3 right? I wonder how many sticks will be optimal for Deneb? Another reason to not go AM2+ for Deneb but wait till February 2009 when AM3 arrives.

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^ Fighting your significant other with sticks is highly un-recommended....., trust me



Oh it works in live action role playing. I knew several guys (and girls) who's significant others beat them on the field and no one got upset. I've also taken aikido where married couples were brown or black belts and they did just fine (but aikido is more cooperative anyways).

We chose a game that didn't have PvP except in monster play (which neither of us are interested in). So, we fight together virtually, though my minstrel would beat her champion hands down at even the same level. Minstrels are rather overpowered.

Now, our 7 year old likes to play Heroes of Might and Magic III, IV or V with us and he wants to defeat us. He's pretty good at strategy for his age.

I wish AMD was better at strategy. :lol: Let's hope they keep quiet about Bulldozer until the day after it launches and gets independently benchmarked.

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so i am curious, the deneb will be the next amd release of processors? when is the release date? and what clocks are to be expected? i am assuming it will atleast be clock 200-300mhz higher than B3 phenoms especially with the die shrink.

I will be going away on a trip for 6weeks so my desktop pc will be a bit useless. I am thinking of ebaying my chip prior to leaving and when I return (end of June) I can pickup amd's flagship cpu. Selling my X2 6400BE now I believe I could get 130-150 on ebay which would help fund the next cpu purchase. any ideas on the next amd cpu release?


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Anything on Deneb ??


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What I'm curious about is I've just read that Nehalem will handle 3 or 6 DDR3 memory modules at a time. AM3 will use DDR3 right? I wonder how many sticks will be optimal for Deneb? Another reason to not go AM2+ for Deneb but wait till February 2009 when AM3 arrives.

 

It depends on which version you're talking about:

 

1. The budget and midrange desktop CPUs (Lynnfield and Havendale) will have a dual-channel DDR3-1333 memory controller and use an LGA 1160 interface.

 

2. All mobile CPUs (Clarksfield and Auburndale) will have a dual-channel DDR-1333 memory controller and use a 989-pin micro-PGA socket.

 

3. High-end desktop chips (Bloomfield) will have a dual- or triple-channel DDR3-1600 memory controller and will use an LGA 1366 interface. Note the extra 206 pins than the dual-channel IMC socket 1160- this is your giveaway as to which socket has how many memory channels wired to it.

 

4. Dual-socket Xeons (Nehalem-EP) will have a triple-channel RDDR3-1333 memory controller and will supposedly use the same LGA 1366 socket as the Bloomfield high-end desktop chip despite the extra QuickPath link active.

 

5. Multi-socket Xeons (Nehalem-EX) will have a quad-channel FB-DIMM memory controller, similar to what sits in the 5000-series northbridge at the present. These chips have eight cores and an LGA 1567 interface.

 

@amdfangirl: I agree, fighting with the significant other is a very bad idea. MU_Engineer's top 10 reasons for not fighting with the significant other:

 

10. The pie supply dries up. (Yes, I can make my own pies, but the crusts all come out too hard or too crumbly. I can make a good cake but I much prefer pies to cakes.)

 

9. The thermostat goes up from a comfy 65 degrees up to 80 seemingly on its own.

 

8. You get one inch of sheet on the bed.

 

7. When you accidentally lock yourself out of the house because of the "emergency escape" door knobs that let you out even if they're locked, nobody answers the doorbell even when you know darn well somebody's in there.

 

6. The person inside in #7 sticks her face in the window next to the door and laughs at you.

 

5. You get afraid to leave your cup of water or soda unattended, lest it suddenly taste terrible when you take the next drink.

 

4. You discover that the new roll of TP you installed yesterday now has two sheets left and that 16-pack of toilet paper you just got is missing too. Oh, and she just made a big pot of chili as a peace offering for lunch.

 

3. You suddenly find where that toilet paper went and also why she made chili.

 

2. The alarm clock woke you up at 4:30 am on the one day a week you get to sleep in.

 

1. Half of your stuff is missing and you get a densely-worded letter delivered by a courier saying that the other half is also going to be missing very soon as well.


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