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Power supply discussion and review list thread

Since it has been mentioned that our discussions in the tier list thread often take it off the rails, I thought it might be prudent to start a separate discussion thread. Questions or discussions regarding specific units, platforms or related PSU tech are all welcome to be discussed here.

To the effect that this is separate from the power supply tier list, I would ask that any questions pertaining to WHERE a specific unit might belong ON the tier list, be asked in the tier list thread. Everything else is pretty much open to the public but let's DO keep it at least MOSTLY PSU related.


The following list of power supply review links are being provided as a resource for users looking for a quality power supply among the many models currently available. I will actively try to NOT include models that are not available in any of the international markets, but since many models are available in one region even after being discontinued there may be models listed which are not available to you, but ARE available in other markets.

All of the PSUs with review links listed below can safely be chosen, based on personal criteria, with the knowledge that no matter which of them you choose, you will have chosen nothing worse than a good unit and possibly one that is great.

If you prefer to see a list of tiered power supply choices, then check out Dottorent's PSU Tier List.

Thanks and happy hunting.


Power Supply reviews



BeQuiet SFX-L 600w Gold

Tom's Hardware review
Kitguru review

BeQuiet Dark Power Pro 11 Platinum

JonnyGuru review
Tom's Hardware review

Bitfenix Whisper series 550w Gold

Tom's Hardware review

Corsair CXm v2 650w Bronze

Tom's Hardware review

Corsair CXm v2 750w Bronze

Tom's Hardware review
JonnyGuru review

Corsair CSm 850w Gold

Tom's Hardware review
JonnyGuru review

Corsair TXm 750w Gold

Tom's Hardware review
Kitguru review

Corsair RMx 550w Gold

Tom's Hardware review

Corsair RMx 750w Gold

Tom's Hardware review
JonnyGuru review

Corsair RMx 850w Gold (White chassis)

JonnyGuru review
Tom's Hardware review

Corsair HX (RPS0075) 850w Platinum

Tom's Hardware review
Kitguru review

Corsair HX (RPS0076) 1000w Platinum

Tom's Hardware review

Corsair HX (RPS0077) 1200w Platinum

Tom's Hardware review
JonnyGuru review

Corsair AXi 1600w Titanium

Tom's Hardware review
Kitguru review

Enermax DigiFanless 550w Platinum

Tom's Hardware review
JonnyGuru review

EVGA G3 550w Gold

PC Perspective review

EVGA G3 750w Gold

JonnyGuru review

EVGA G3 850w Gold

Tom's Hardware review

EVGA G3 1000w Gold

Tom's Hardware review
JonnyGuru review

EVGA P2 1600w Platinum

JonnyGuru review
Tom's Hardware review

FSP Hydro PTM 750w Platinum

Tom's Hardware review
HardOCP review

Seasonic S12II 430w Bronze

Hardware Secrets review

Seasonic S12II 520w Bronze

JonnyGuru review

Seasonic M12II 620w Bronze

HardOCP review
Anandtech review

Seasonic M12II EVO 750w Bronze

Tweaktown review

Seasonic M12II EVO 850w Bronze

JonnyGuru review
Kitguru review

Seasonic G 360w Gold

JonnyGuru review
PC Perspective review

Seasonic S12G 450w Gold

Kitguru review
TechpowerUP review

Seasonic G 450w Gold

Tom's Hardware review
HardOCP review

Seasonic S12G 550w Gold

HardOCP review

Seasonic G 550w Gold

JonnyGuru review
HardOCP review

Seasonic Focus Plus 550w Gold

JonnyGuru review

Seasonic S12G 650w Gold

Anandtech review

Seasonic G 650w Gold

JonnyGuru review
Kitguru review

Seasonic X 650w Gold

JonnyGuru review
Kitguru review

Seasonic Focus Plus 650w Gold

PC Perspective review

Seasonic Prime 650w Gold

JonnyGuru review
Tom's Hardware review

Seasonic S12G 750w Gold

Kitguru review
PC Perspective

Seasonic X 750w Gold

JonnyGuru review
TechpowerUP review

Seasonic Focus Plus 750w Gold

JonnyGuru review
Tom's Hardware review

Seasonic Focus Plus 850w Gold

JonnyGuru review
HardOCP review

Seasonic X 850w Gold

HardOCP review
Kitguru review

Seasonic Prime 850w Gold

Kitguru review
PC Perspective review

Seasonic Prime 1000w Gold

HardOCP review
Kitguru review

Seasonic X 1050w Gold

JonnyGuru review
Techpowerup review

Seasonic X 1250w Gold

JonnyGuru review
Techpowerup review

Seasonic X v2 Fanless 400w Platinum

JonnyGuru review
HardOCP review

Seasonic X v2 Fanless 460w Platinum

TechpowerUP review
PC Perspective review

Seasonic SS-520FL Fanless 520w Platinum

TechpowerUP review
Kitguru review

Seasonic Focus Plus 550w Platinum

PC Perspective review

Seasonic Prime 650w Platinum

JonnyGuru review
Kitguru review

Seasonic SS-660XP2 660w Platinum

JonnyGuru review
PC Perspective review

Seasonic Focus Plus 750w Platinum

HardOCP review

Seasonic Snow Silent-750 750w Platinum

Tom's Hardware review
HardOCP review

Seasonic SS-760XP2 760w Platinum

Hardware.us review

Seasonic SS-860XP2 860w Platinum

Hardware.us review

Seasonic Prime 1000w Platinum

JonnyGuru review
Kitguru review

Seasonic SS-1050XP3 1050w Platinum

TechpowerUP review
HardOCP review

Seasonic Snow Silent-1050 1050w Platinum

TechpowerUP review
JonnyGuru review

Seasonic SS-1200XP3 1200w Platinum

TechpowerUP review
JonnyGuru review

Seasonic Prime 1200w Platinum

JonnyGuru review
Kitguru review

Seasonic Prime Fanless 600w Titanium

Kitguru review

Seasonic Prime Ultra 650w Titanium

JonnyGuru review

Seasonic Prime 750w Titanium

JonnyGuru review

Seasonic Prime 850w Titanium

JonnyGuru review
Tom's Hardware review

Seasonic Prime Ultra 850w Titanium

PC Perspective review

Seasonic Prime Ultra 1000w Titanium

JonnyGuru review

SilverStone ST45SF V3 SFX 450W Bronze

Tom's Hardware review
JonnyGuru review

Silverstone SX500-G SFX 500w Gold

Tom's Hardware review
JonnyGuru review

Silverstone SX500-LG SFX-L 500w Gold

Tom's Hardware review
JonnyGuru review

SilverStone SX600-G SFX 600w Gold

Anandtech review
Tom's Hardware review

SilverStone SX800-LTI SFX-L 800w Titanium

Tom's Hardware review
JonnyGuru review

Super Flower Leadex Titanium 1600w

Tom's Hardware review
JonnyGuru review

Thermaltake Toughpower Grand RGB 750w Gold

Tom's Hardware review
JonnyGuru review

Thermaltake Toughpower Grand RGB 850w Gold

Tom's Hardware review
HardOCP review




Thanks to Goldstone77, WildCard999, Jankerson and Rexper for their contributions to this resource.


I will be adding more reviews soon. Been busy with non-forum commitments.
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  1. Corsair RMX White 850W

    Seasonic Prime Titanium 650W
  2. Perfect guys. Exactly what I had in mind. Keep 'em coming.
  3. The new Corsair AX1600i has been reviewed, and as expected an extremely good power supply.

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    There is no doubt that the AX1600i is better in every single way when compared to the AX1500i, and it is the best PSU I have ever tested currently. Some of you will then probably wonder why I gave it the same score as its predecessor. Well, standards now are different to those that applied when the AX1500i was reviewed, and I have to leave some room for an even better PSU, which I doubt will come out any time soon, however. Moreover, nothing is perfect in this world, so even the superb AX1600i has a couple of downsides with, firstly, its intimidating price tag and, secondly, though easily fixed with a new set of cables, the distance between its peripheral connectors being very short. For demanding situations, e.g. mining, although I doubt anyone would spend so much money to have this PSU's potential wasted on mining, some users might ask for a double-ball bearing fan instead of a fluid dynamic one; however, for most, the FDB fan is actually the one to prefer because it is quieter.

    Techpowerup

    KitGuru

    Tomshardware

    Overclocked3D
  4. Good deal. I'll probably start organizing these PSU review links sometime this evening or tomorrow. Even if you have links to older reviews, that's fine too although word of note, I'll probably clean up threads to say something like "so and so added three reviews" and only have the links to the actual reviews in the initial post, just so it stays somewhat clean. Or at minimum perhaps just put it in a spoiler like goldstone did. That way a single page doesn't take up ten miles.

    Only on actual review links though. Any other posts or related discussions will stay as posted unless of course they are unacceptable due to content, expletives, etc.
  5. darkbreeze said:
    Good deal. I'll probably start organizing these PSU review links sometime this evening or tomorrow. Even if you have links to older reviews, that's fine too although word of note, I'll probably clean up threads to say something like "so and so added three reviews" and only have the links to the actual reviews in the initial post, just so it stays somewhat clean. Or at minimum perhaps just put it in a spoiler like goldstone did. That way a single page doesn't take up ten miles.

    Only on actual review links though. Any other posts or related discussions will stay as posted unless of course they are unacceptable due to content, expletives, etc.


    Spoilers work http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-3612443/power-supply-discussion-thread.html#20571439
  6. Just a note, if the review site is someplace like Guru3D and ProClockers, that pretty much only does unboxing, teardown (Sometimes) and an overview, without any real in depth testing, I'm probably not going to add a link to that review. There needs to be worthwhile information in a review, I think, else it's just an unproven opinion. FWIW, I think primarily Jonny Guru, Tom's hardware, Hard OCP, Kit guru, TechPowerUp (Sometimes has duplicates of what is on Tom's since Aris does them for both sites. Will only add one link when this is the case), Anandtech and Eteknix (Some of their reviews. Many of their older reviews were not proper reviews as they did not have their active load tester and oscilloscope a while back. Case by case).


    If there are other sites doing proper reviews we'll gladly look at those, again on a case by case basis, and include them when appropriate. For non-English reviews, I will probably not add those because the translations are poor in most cases and there are usually not sufficiently translated English versions. If you think there is one of these, not on a major review site that DOES merit inclusion, I'll be happy to take a look at it but if the translations turn out some nonsense like

    Quote:
    "go on a diet for 3 years where I eat only power supplies. However, if I buy budget food, it won't come with many accessories. I can also get weather for cheap?"


    Then it's probably not going to get added. Hopefully that's no sleight to anybody who might have done one of those reviews, it's just not entirely useful for the majority of our user base and most likely anybody who speaks that language natively will have already found it on their own and not need translation anyhow. If there are units with GOOD reviews, but poor translations, and somebody who speaks that language can both translate it into something meaningful AND authorize re-upping the review somewhere with the tester/publisher, then I'll be glad to add it. I don't think for the most part that eliminating non-English reviews is going to drastically affect things though.
  7. Instead of this just being a giant PSU review database, I believe we should just focus on commonly asked for power supplies. For example, the Cooler Master Masterwatt Lite (these are non-English, there are no English reviews that I know of. The ones from gecid could be translated by Google, for computerbase's review I recommend DeepL.com)



    Those reviews are trustworthy IMO.

    Also, orionpsudb.com is a great place to find platforms of different power supplies. It seems to be down right now, is that just me?
  8. It's not just you, Orions database site is down. Most of us have known of that site for a good many years now. Maybe he's making a change or something. I've seen recent posts by him over at the JG forum so I doubt it's down for good, but who knows.

    I'm not going to limit reviews to only popular models. We get FAR too many members asking about other models. Seems like maybe you didn't read my posts or read but didn't hear. Fully half our power supply questions are from indo-asian members who do not have access to these "latest and greatest" models like we do in the US and UK. There are a lot of members who live in places where the S12II or CX550m might be the very best power supply available to them, either at all, or without paying astronomical fees to bring one in from someplace else and frankly most of them don't have the means to do that. So I will be including links to both old and new models. Seems only right that we try to address the needs of the entire multi-national community rather than just focusing on what works best for a select group of people.

    And as I said on the non-English reviews, not doing it. If you want to translate it to something accurate and legible, and get permission from the author to repost it somewhere in English, then I'll be glad to take a look at that and link to it if it seems a-ok. Otherwise, some models may just have to be exluded. Since you've linked to them however, they won't go without at least some reference here anyhow.
  9. It would be interesting to get some reviews on some “budget” PSUs from India as what’s available makes it difficult to make a recommendation and usually what’s there is the Corsair VS series which isn’t exactly good but can do the job with a higher wattage PSU.
  10. Quote:
    Fully half our power supply questions are from indo-asian members who do not have access to these "latest and greatest" models like we do in the US and UK.


    Yes, that is what I meant. For example the Cooler Master Lite is a commonly asked unit from indo-asian.

    I just believe we shouldn't fill it with unit reviews no one would use so it doesn't clutter the list.

    Quote:
    central source for locating relevant reviews easily,


    Otherwise it may just end up being like the RealHardTechx PSU Review Database.

    Anyways, here is a very good source for better efficiency ratings and noise ratings, and professional PSU testings database: https://www.cybenetics.com/index.php?option=database
  11. WildCard999 said:
    It would be interesting to get some reviews on some “budget” PSUs from India as what’s available makes it difficult to make a recommendation and usually what’s there is the Corsair VS series which isn’t exactly good but can do the job with a higher wattage PSU.


    The problem with this, as it has always been, is that there usually are NOT any reviews of them to link to. At least, not reputable ones. If there is a review you want linked and it meets the criteria, post it, and I'll put it up unless it's not a reputable review or is not in english. The problem with non-English reviews is that while you or I know how to only pull the info we need from those reviews, most people WON'T know how to do that as they are not familiar with the majority of PSU terminology plus when many won't know how to get it translated in the first place.

    Others will simply disregard it within seconds once they see the reviews end up with a lot of garbled or nonsensical sentences after translation. That doesn't really help anybody to be honest. I'm not doing that for specifically that reason. This is a perfect example of why.

    http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12284

    There's a place for them, it just isn't here. Again, linking to them here in your post is fine, just not going to add them to the list of reviews. Too much lost in translation, and no, not the movie.
  12. Yes, I agree some translations can be distorted (and sometimes humorous), but those as you say cannot pull the info from those reviews, likely cannot pull them off of English reviews either. Besides readers jumping straight to the conclusion, and looking at what the reviewer rates it (which we know isn't always accurate as standards change among reviewers and over time), most do not know what any of the internals or testings mean, and how to compare them to internals and testings from other reviews.

    For those wanting to understand these reviews, and learn about power supplies, here are some sources that can help;

  13. Well, we can all have opinions. Fortunately mine is the only one that matters. JK.

    Realistically though, I don't agree. I fully understand power supplies, at least as much as all but a handful of people, and there are many of those translated reviews that I even just end up leaving because even to me they are senseless after translation so I know they will just be confusing for a lot of other members.

    I just can't agree that they have value for most people. Bad enough for a guy in India who halfway understands English to try and figure out what a badly translated Dutch review is saying in some garbled, gibberish version of English. I assure you that translations to other than English languages are much, much worse.

    You are of course more than welcome to create your own discussion thread with links to any reviews you see fit to link to, and if you'd like those to all be non-English language reviews then that's your prerogative AND I'd be happy to link from here to your post with a note indicating that non-English language review links can be found there.
  14. Fair enough and that was pretty much the answer I expected but I wanted some clarification on it.
  15. Believe me, I want to include any and all reviews that are both reliably in depth/reputable and can be understood. If there is a review that needs to go up and can be fully understood with no nonsense or gibberish translations, I'll be the first one to put it up. Even if it's not one of the big well known sites, if the review is well done and offers a real perception of that units pros and cons, both electrically and physically, I'm all for inclusion. Otherwise, much as I'd like every unit worth looking at out there have a link from here to somewhere, there may have to be units that just can't go up.

    There are actually a lot of lower wattage but really good units like that with no valid reviews because the companies don't send review samples out or they are simply not headline catching enough. Personally, I'm sick to death of seeing 1000w+ reviews and would like to see a whole lot more reviews in the 350-550w range, since that's where 90% of current systems are sitting at. Maybe we'll see things shift as that target becomes more prominent compared to older systems that actually needed the 650-850w units for high powered or dual card systems. Dual cards are disappearing, so aside from miners, maybe the big PSUs will too.
  16. Isn't it easy enough to just Google "<INSERT PSU NAME> review" and then just get the result?
  17. darkbreeze said:
    Believe me, I want to include any and all reviews that are both reliably in depth/reputable and can be understood. If there is a review that needs to go up and can be fully understood with no nonsense or gibberish translations, I'll be the first one to put it up. Even if it's not one of the big well known sites, if the review is well done and offers a real perception of that units pros and cons, both electrically and physically, I'm all for inclusion. Otherwise, much as I'd like every unit worth looking at out there have a link from here to somewhere, there may have to be units that just can't go up.

    There are actually a lot of lower wattage but really good units like that with no valid reviews because the companies don't send review samples out or they are simply not headline catching enough. Personally, I'm sick to death of seeing 1000w+ reviews and would like to see a whole lot more reviews in the 350-550w range, since that's where 90% of current systems are sitting at. Maybe we'll see things shift as that target becomes more prominent compared to older systems that actually needed the 650-850w units for high powered or dual card systems. Dual cards are disappearing, so aside from miners, maybe the big PSUs will too.


    Well, the process nodes are shrinking offering lower power and higher performance as well. Realistically, how much longer will PSU last in their current state? Technology would have to make a big change from the path(shrinking) that it has followed for half a century now.
  18. turkey3_scratch said:
    Isn't it easy enough to just Google "<INSERT PSU NAME> review" and then just get the result?


    Isn't that true for EVERY single thing that people come here looking for?

    It's ALL been seen, done and dealt with at some point. There are threads covering every possible thing anybody could ever have or ever will have go wrong with their hardware. Unless somebody is strictly looking for an OPINION, there is no point posting a new thread on any subject, on this or any other forum, if we took that tact. So yes, they CAN find those reviews by Googling them. But they could also solve all the other issues they come here for by Googling it as well, if they weren't mostly all too lazy to put in the work. I guess that's the point.

    But you're right, everything anybody can think of to make things easier for people is just a big waste of time. We should all just kill ourselves and be done with it. I mean, it's not like anybody is going to do anything new or meaningful anyhow right? We'll just let Google have the planet since there's no need for us anymore. :heink:


    PS, most of the people who will find this useful are people who wouldn't know WHAT to google in the first place. Hence, lists like this give them a good place to start LOOKING at specific models, based on the fact that somebody thought they were good enough to warrant review in the first place.
  19. goldstone77 said:
    Well, the process nodes are shrinking offering lower power and higher performance as well. Realistically, how much longer will PSU last in their current state? Technology would have to make a big change from the path(shrinking) that it has followed for half a century now.


    My point exactly. CPUs and GPUs are both using less and less power, even when overclocked, so aside from miners using many cards (And even then many of them are preferring to use multiple power supplies rather than one large one) I can only see the demand for big power bricks dropping further and further each year.
  20. darkbreeze said:
    goldstone77 said:
    Well, the process nodes are shrinking offering lower power and higher performance as well. Realistically, how much longer will PSU last in their current state? Technology would have to make a big change from the path(shrinking) that it has followed for half a century now.


    My point exactly. CPUs and GPUs are both using less and less power, even when overclocked, so aside from miners using many cards (And even then many of them are preferring to use multiple power supplies rather than one large one) I can only see the demand for big power bricks dropping further and further each year.


    The other good thing about this thread is we can discuss things of this nature about power supplies without being off topic!
  21. I notice there was a price bump for power supplies during November, 2017. More specifically, the 800W - 999W Bronze PSUs, <500w bronze, and <800w Gold units, according to PCPartPicker's Price Trend.

    Does anyone know what may have cause this short lived price increase?

  22. Thanks. I'll add those after I get back from the hospital later. Think I might have pneumonia. Hope not.
  23. darkbreeze said:
    Thanks. I'll add those after I get back from the hospital later. Think I might have pneumonia. Hope not.


    Have you taken the Vaccine for pneumonia? After having walking pneumonia for a month I got it, and haven't had a problem in ~5 years.
  24. Nope. But they might give it to me today, we'll see. Leaving now.
  25. turkey3_scratch said:
    Isn't it easy enough to just Google "<INSERT PSU NAME> review" and then just get the result?


    darkbreeze said:
    Isn't that true for EVERY single thing that people come here looking for?


    Yes but this is different. Nobody comes to this site asking "where can I find a review on this power supply?" They are asking what power supply to buy. Plus most (like most most) people don't read or care about PSU reviews anyway, and those who actually do should know how to find them.

    darkbreeze said:
    So yes, they CAN find those reviews by Googling them.

    Then let them? I personally don't care if you make this list, but I'm just trying to save you and others from spending a lot of unnecessary time. It just seems like picking up the slack from people who don't want to google.


    darkbreeze said:
    But you're right, everything anybody can think of to make things easier for people is just a big waste of time. We should all just kill ourselves and be done with it. I mean, it's not like anybody is going to do anything new or meaningful anyhow right? We'll just let Google have the planet since there's no need for us anymore. :heink:


    Ironically, I can find a PSU review quicker with Google than by coming to this webpage.


    darkbreeze said:
    PS, most of the people who will find this useful are people who wouldn't know WHAT to google in the first place.


    Those would be people who don't read PSU reviews in the first place, so they wouldn't even want to Google anything let alone click on any of these reviews. If someone is someone who looks at PSU reviews, they should know how to find them. There's no way people don't know how to search for a review of something when you simply search for a review of something. Don't underestimate people, it's not a lack of ability it's a lack of willingness.
  26. Rexper said:
    I notice there was a price bump for power supplies during November, 2017. More specifically, the 800W - 999W Bronze PSUs, <500w bronze, and <800w Gold units, according to PCPartPicker's Price Trend.

    Does anyone know what may have cause this short lived price increase?





    Probably trying to trick people into spending more money on PSUs on Black Friday.
  27. turkey3_scratch said:
    Isn't it easy enough to just Google "<INSERT PSU NAME> review" and then just get the result?


    turkey3_scratch said:
    Yes but this is different. Nobody comes to this site asking "where can I find a review on this power supply?" They are asking what power supply to buy. Plus most (like most most) people don't read or care about PSU reviews anyway, and those who actually do should know how to find them.


    turkey3_scratch said:
    Then let them? I personally don't care if you make this list, but I'm just trying to save you and others from spending a lot of unnecessary time. It just seems like picking up the slack from people who don't want to google.


    turkey3_scratch said:
    Ironically, I can find a PSU review quicker with Google than by coming to this webpage.


    turkey3_scratch said:
    Those would be people who don't read PSU reviews in the first place, so they wouldn't even want to Google anything let alone click on any of these reviews. If someone is someone who looks at PSU reviews, they should know how to find them. There's no way people don't know how to search for a review of something when you simply search for a review of something. Don't underestimate people, it's not a lack of ability it's a lack of willingness.


    This is a general response to how I feel about all your responses.
    1. Looking your responses, I think you need to think of this thread like a library.
    2. You can browse around, learn things about different PSUs, and have a quick reference that bring people back to this site. Since it requires very little effort to create the list, just willingness to put forth effort, why not make it?
    3. You can have a discussion on PSUs with a thread that won't disappear overtime.
    4. You won't be off topic when discussing PSU's in the tier list thread.
    5. Judging by the response by some people to the thread already I would say at least some people like this idea. I do.
  28. darkbreeze said:
    Thanks. I'll add those after I get back from the hospital later. Think I might have pneumonia. Hope not.


    I hope you are OK and feel better soon.
  29. @Turkey3scratch, seems like, contrary to what I and a couple of others may have said in your defense in years past, that you only ever have negative things to say, about just about everything, so my advice is if that's going to be the case, just go spread your negativity elsewhere. Just because YOU don't see value in something doesn't mean it has none. I'm not even going to address your responses because I'm sure you'll have something further that's negative to say about them anyhow. Can you actually point to anything you've added to this site that was either constructive or beneficial?

    There's a lot more I could say, but I'm not going to waste my breath because I realize you THINK you are a lot smarter and more observant than everyone around you, much like your JG buddies do. Maybe you should just hang out with them instead of spreading your negativity all over this forum. If you don't like something, just stay away from it. Same thing most of them have been told. Simple really.

    If you were REALLY as smart as you think you are, you would realize that in addition to actually being a resource, content like this adds value to the site due to the simple fact that it IS content that's relevant to what this site is here for in the first place. Google knows that, even if you apparently don't.


    BTW, no pneumonia, just a nasty case of upper respiratory infection. That should make for a fun week.
  30. darkbreeze said:

    BTW, no pneumonia, just a nasty case of upper respiratory infection. That should make for a fun week.


    That good to hear, just take the medicine and it should clear it right up soon. :)
  31. That's what they said about the clap too. Ok, I made that up. Thanks though.
  32. I apologize to everybody, the way I presented my view could have been written in a less condescending matter. Come on the Tomshardware Discord, I am 95% goof there, believe me, I spend most of my time there rather than the main forums. I didn't see value in the list but you guys do. I totally accept that disagreement there, and that's fine. Plus, it can't do any harm anyway. Just want to make sure you guys thought this through and really want to go through with this list.

    Keep in mind that whenever I talk to any of you the content of my words in no way describes my feelings toward you as a person. You probably know me as someone who is not afraid to raise a hand of objection. Please understand that any form of controversy is the greatest teacher of all, as it initiates dialogue. And the dialogue on this site is usually very friendly, and when I speak I hope not to be nasty and I hope that my objections to certain things do not paint me in a negative light as a person.
  33. I feel like this review list will just end up being like any other review lists (like realhardtechx, or techpowerup's), a source that the average consumer likely won't be able to digest. My suggestion is commenting next to the review/unit, to sum up the cons and pros, so people who don't understand much about power supplies don't have to research it for hours before reading all the reviews.
  34. Rexper said:
    I feel like this review list will just end up being like any other review lists (like realhardtechx, or techpowerup's), a source that the average consumer likely won't be able to digest. My suggestion is commenting next to the review/unit, to sum up the cons and pros, so people who don't understand much about power supplies don't have to research it for hours before reading all the reviews.


    Pros/cons would turn it into a very daunting task. But if they're up for it I suppose it won't hurt.

    But pros/cons can generally be seen in the conclusion of a review, so whether that would be helpful or more redundant and a lot of work would be something for you guys to discuss.
  35. turkey3_scratch said:
    I apologize to everybody, the way I presented my view could have been written in a less condescending matter. Come on the Tomshardware Discord, I am 95% goof there, believe me, I spend most of my time there rather than the main forums. I didn't see value in the list but you guys do. I totally accept that disagreement there, and that's fine. Plus, it can't do any harm anyway. Just want to make sure you guys thought this through and really want to go through with this list.

    Keep in mind that whenever I talk to any of you the content of my words in no way describes my feelings toward you as a person. You probably know me as someone who is not afraid to raise a hand of objection. Please understand that any form of controversy is the greatest teacher of all, as it initiates dialogue. And the dialogue on this site is usually very friendly, and when I speak I hope not to be nasty and I hope that my objections to certain things do not paint me in a negative light as a person.


    Out of all the forum threads the PSU tier list thread has probably the most rigid characters hanging out in there from what I've seen from all the threads I visit. I'm sure it comes from a high level of confidence, technical skill, and years of experience, but it is what it is-a rough stone. I think you are far from the worst one I've experienced in tier chat, and I found you often offer informative comments like all of them. Others tend to be more brash, and maybe it's started to rub off on you somewhat. I would just be mindful of that would be my recommendation. It's hard for me to perceive someone as a bad person who markedly spends his time helping others. No harm no foul here with me.
  36. turkey3_scratch said:
    But pros/cons can generally be seen in the conclusion of a review, so whether that would be helpful or more redundant and a lot of work would be something for you guys to discuss..


    Yes, though sometimes people don't understand the relevancy of the conclusion, as they change throughout reviewers, and throughout time. A good example of this is the JonnyGuru review of the Seasonic S12ii. That review conclusion leaves everyone believing this is such a great PSU, even today, yet reality is this unit is nearly mediocre for today's standards.
  37. We already have a PSU review database and i don't see much point why to make a 2nd one here.
    Link to the said database: http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/PSUReviewDatabase.html

    Got a PSU question too:
    Is there any difference other than efficiency between Seasonic SSR-650FX and Seasonic SSR-650PX?

    Currently thinking which one to go for, either: SSR-650FX, SSR-650PX or even SSR-650TR.

    Rexper said:
    Yes, though sometimes people don't understand the relevancy of the conclusion, as they change throughout reviewers, and throughout time. A good example of this is the JonnyGuru review of the Seasonic S12ii. That review conclusion leaves everyone believing this is such a great PSU, even today, yet reality is this unit is nearly mediocre for today's standards.

    I got S12II-520 powering my AMD build and it's a solid unit, even at today's standards, despite it's old design. If you want a mediocre unit, look towards Corsair CXm series.
  38. Aeacus said:
    Got a PSU question too:
    Is there any difference other than efficiency between Seasonic SSR-650FX and Seasonic SSR-650PX?

    Currently thinking which one to go for, either: SSR-650FX, SSR-650PX or even SSR-650TR.


    They're all the same platform, as Seasonic ditched it's original Prime Titanium platform for the "ultra" version in favor of using the Focus +'s platform. Which, I happen to wonder why they did that. Perhaps the Focus+ are actually more reliable than those original prime units? Or maybe cost cuts, who knows.

    My rule of thumb would just be to get the Gold and save the money.
  39. Aeacus said:
    We already have a PSU review database and i don't see much point why to make a 2nd one here.
    Link to the said database: http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/PSUReviewDatabase.html

    Got a PSU question too:
    Is there any difference other than efficiency between Seasonic SSR-650FX and Seasonic SSR-650PX?

    Currently thinking which one to go for, either: SSR-650FX, SSR-650PX or even SSR-650TR.


    The SSR650PX has upgrade parts to make it Platinum rated, other than that the features are the same as is the warranty.

    Now the Prime Titanium is a completely different model, their top end Model and currently one of if not the the best 650W PSU you can buy.
  40. Aeacus said:
    We already have a PSU review database and i don't see much point why to make a 2nd one here.
    Link to the said database: http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/PSUReviewDatabase.html

    Got a PSU question too:
    Is there any difference other than efficiency between Seasonic SSR-650FX and Seasonic SSR-650PX?

    Currently thinking which one to go for, either: SSR-650FX, SSR-650PX or even SSR-650TR.

    Rexper said:
    Yes, though sometimes people don't understand the relevancy of the conclusion, as they change throughout reviewers, and throughout time. A good example of this is the JonnyGuru review of the Seasonic S12ii. That review conclusion leaves everyone believing this is such a great PSU, even today, yet reality is this unit is nearly mediocre for today's standards.

    I got S12II-520 powering my AMD build and it's a solid unit, even at today's standards, despite it's old design. If you want a mediocre unit, look towards Corsair CXm series.


    jankerson said:
    Aeacus said:
    We already have a PSU review database and i don't see much point why to make a 2nd one here.
    Link to the said database: http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/PSUReviewDatabase.html

    Got a PSU question too:
    Is there any difference other than efficiency between Seasonic SSR-650FX and Seasonic SSR-650PX?

    Currently thinking which one to go for, either: SSR-650FX, SSR-650PX or even SSR-650TR.


    The SSR650PX has upgrade parts to make it Platinum rated, other than that the features are the same as is the warranty.

    Now the Prime Titanium is a completely different model, their top end Model and currently one of if not the the best 650W PSU you can buy.


    Maybe I was wrong about the Prime Titanium Ultra being the same platform. I thought I had heard that recently and now it's bugging me I can't find it.
  41. turkey3_scratch said:
    Aeacus said:
    We already have a PSU review database and i don't see much point why to make a 2nd one here.
    Link to the said database: http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/PSUReviewDatabase.html

    Got a PSU question too:
    Is there any difference other than efficiency between Seasonic SSR-650FX and Seasonic SSR-650PX?

    Currently thinking which one to go for, either: SSR-650FX, SSR-650PX or even SSR-650TR.

    Rexper said:
    Yes, though sometimes people don't understand the relevancy of the conclusion, as they change throughout reviewers, and throughout time. A good example of this is the JonnyGuru review of the Seasonic S12ii. That review conclusion leaves everyone believing this is such a great PSU, even today, yet reality is this unit is nearly mediocre for today's standards.

    I got S12II-520 powering my AMD build and it's a solid unit, even at today's standards, despite it's old design. If you want a mediocre unit, look towards Corsair CXm series.


    jankerson said:
    Aeacus said:
    We already have a PSU review database and i don't see much point why to make a 2nd one here.
    Link to the said database: http://www.realhardtechx.com/index_archivos/PSUReviewDatabase.html

    Got a PSU question too:
    Is there any difference other than efficiency between Seasonic SSR-650FX and Seasonic SSR-650PX?

    Currently thinking which one to go for, either: SSR-650FX, SSR-650PX or even SSR-650TR.


    The SSR650PX has upgrade parts to make it Platinum rated, other than that the features are the same as is the warranty.

    Now the Prime Titanium is a completely different model, their top end Model and currently one of if not the the best 650W PSU you can buy.


    Maybe I was wrong about the Prime Titanium Ultra being the same platform. I thought I had heard that recently and now it's bugging me I can't find it.


    The Prime Titanium and Prime Titanium Ultra are the same, the main difference is the few extras they put in the box, a tester and the new SATA adaptor.

    Now the Prime Gold 550W is Focus based with upgrades to meet Prime Standards. From 650W and up are Prime Platform.
  42. Aeacus said:

    I got S12II-520 powering my AMD build and it's a solid unit, even at today's standards, despite it's old design. If you want a mediocre unit, look towards Corsair CXm series.


    The new CXm and CX (2015 and 2017 models) are better than the S12ii series. Newer DC-DC platform so tighter voltages in crossload tests, and compatible with haswell sleep states, better performance overall, and includes necessary protections which the S12ii lacks in.

    Also, for your other question,

    The Seasonic 650FX has an average efficiency of 88.159%. The 650PX has average of 90.168%. The 650TR has an average of 92.425%.
    https://www.cybenetics.com/index.php?option=database&manfID=12&volts=1

    Which unit being more cost efficient depends on the price of them, electricity costs, power consumption of your system, and how long your sytem is being used (either on idle, full load, gaming load etc.)
  43. Rexper said:
    I feel like this review list will just end up being like any other review lists (like realhardtechx, or techpowerup's), a source that the average consumer likely won't be able to digest. My suggestion is commenting next to the review/unit, to sum up the cons and pros, so people who don't understand much about power supplies don't have to research it for hours before reading all the reviews.


    That's exactly what a tier list does, takes OUT the need to DECIDE for yourself, based on the reviews, if a unit is any good or not. But obviously there is a whole bunch of people who think THAT idea sucks too. Thing is, no matter what ANYBODY comes up with, or does, in any walk of life, there's going to be a group of people who think it sucks and are vocal about it.

    So, the tier list sucks, this list sucks, people suck because they can't go find and comprehend the information themselves, we suck because we can't create something that makes EVERYBODY happy and best of all, none of it really matters anyhow because as I was informed in the PSU tier list, even a tier 5 type unit that can barely sustain 150-250w is more than enough for any system since it's never going to burn up or damage anybodys hardware anyhow.

    I mean, clearly we can just all run overclocked 8 core chips with overclocked top shelf graphics cards, with no problems at all, on a crappy HEC built TR2 power supply, so what's the point. Somebody needs to tell Oklahoma wolf and Aris to stop it with the reviews too. Those are no longer necessary either.

    And no Turkey, THIS particular rant was not pointed your direction. Sorry if I was a bit direct with you earlier. I'm sick and I guess grumpy as hell too, so I'm on short supply with patience for negative vibes and condescension right now I guess.
  44. turkey3_scratch said:
    They're all the same platform, as Seasonic ditched it's original Prime Titanium platform for the "ultra" version in favor of using the Focus +'s platform. Which, I happen to wonder why they did that. Perhaps the Focus+ are actually more reliable than those original prime units? Or maybe cost cuts, who knows.

    My rule of thumb would just be to get the Gold and save the money.

    I'm not looking to save money, instead, i'm looking great performance.

    As far as Seasonic PRIME vs Seasonic PRIME Ultra goes, i contacted Seasonic about it and Seasonic rep answered this:
    Quote:
    PRIME Ultra will introduce few updates for this Series:

    * General optimization (capacitors for example)
    * No more inline capacitor for PRIME Ultra 1000 Titanium and Platinum
    and Gold. Previous models has some on PCI-E and motherboard cables for
    example.
    * New accessories: PSU tester and SATA adapter compatible with SATA
    3.3 used by some HDD recently released on market. Some SATA cable(s)
    will have connectors at 180° instead of 90°.
    * Shorter case (140mm only) for 550W, 650W, 750W in PRIME Ultra
    Platinum and Gold.

    As far as why Seasonic released their PRIME Ultra series after 1.5 years from the release of PRIME series, that i don't know. Perhaps they felt the need to overhaul the PRIME series.

    jankerson said:
    The SSR650PX has upgrade parts to make it Platinum rated, other than that the features are the same as is the warranty.

    Now the Prime Titanium is a completely different model, their top end Model and currently one of if not the the best 650W PSU you can buy.

    I already own SSR-650TD but the new SSR-650TR is appealing to me. Oh, i'm planning to get new PSU to replace the SS-850AM2 out.
  45. jankerson said:
    The Prime Titanium and Prime Titanium Ultra are the same, the main difference is the few extras they put in the box, a tester and the new SATA adaptor.

    Now the Prime Gold 550W is Focus based with upgrades to meet Prime Standards. From 650W and up are Prime Platform.



    That's what I was thinking. Thank you, I had a misunderstanding.
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