What is your backup situation at home?

What is your backup situation at home?

And if you don't do that, why not?

Every single day, I read multiple threads here of "How do I get my stuff back?" or "That drive had 5 years of photos of my kids!!"
Be it a dead drive, dropped phone, virus, accidental deletion, formatting the wrong partition, installing the OS on the wrong drive.
If I had a dime for every one...

A dead drive should never be more than "Aw crap, I need to buy another drive."
Your data should never be impacted.


I'll describe mine.

Multiple PC's, Windows 10.
Qnap NAS box, Linux variant.
External USB drive
Macrium Reflect

The NAS box is 4 x 3TB, 4 x 4TB Ironwolf drives, RAID 5. Leaving ~10.5TB usable space.
This box holds all the backups obviously, and all the movies, music, and other data to be shared among the systems in the house.

From my main system (5 drives):
Macrium Reflect to image each drive every night. This goes to individual folders on the NAS box.
A Full image, and then an Incremental every night for 14 days.
After 2 weeks of incremental backups (each their own file), those get rolled into a Full image.
Then start a new round of 2 weeks of Incrementals.

Every week (Wednesday), the entire NAS box is backed up to a USB 8TB drive.
This drive is physically OFF, except for the Wednesday backup function.

All automated, except for the Wednesday backup to the USB. There, I just have to remember to plug in the 8TB USB drive before I go off to work. And unplug it when I get home int he afternoon.

At any point of fail, there are multiple levels of recovery.
In the unlikely event of my main system AND the NAS box both melting into a pile of goo, I can recover it all (from last Wednesday) off the 8TB USB drive.

And the really critical stuff also lives in a drive in my desk at work. Scans of drivers license, birth certs, etc.

Now...that is rather elaborate. But a cut down version of that can be done with a single USB drive.

Some back and forth discussion, and we can maybe learn from each others methods, issues, and gotchas.

So...what is your backup situation like?
Discuss
Reply to USAFRet
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  1. well I use so little storage I often do not have a backup plan for most of my laptops/computers. however I have two USB 3.0 external drives (one is 2TB the other is 3TB) that I store photos on, along with a copy of all the files on my parents computer. they are in two separate parts of the house and we also have a ton of USB drives and DVDs holding photos as well. (that is really about the only important thing that we really care about not losing) every two months or so I delete the old copy of the files from my parents PC, and replace it with a new copy (one copy for each drive).

    I am well aware that this is not the best option, but to give you an idea, all of our really priceless family photos are still in film mostly... all the important documents are in the bank.

    as for myself, I really do not care about backups, (yes I know I should) because at the end of the day I do not have enough or important enough stuff on my harddrive to care if it were gone. (also the somewhat important/useful stuff is speed across my two PCs and two dumpster mac books so I really would have to try to lose it) When I had a hard drive fail on me following a fall of both me and a laptop down the stairs... I just ripped the drive apart and destroyed the discs (if I cannot have the data, no one can have it) and got a new disc and started over. Also there is the 15GB of google cloud storage per google account which I use to transfer stuff around.

    so long story short, I am really not worried about my own data getting lost and thus I really do not bother. But the second I start having good stuff on my hard drive I'll do the right thing. My parents data is far more important so I make sure that it is safe.
    Reply to Robert Cook
  2. Robert Cook said:

    however I have two USB 3.0 external drives (one is 2TB the other is 3TB) that I store photos on, along with a copy of all the files on my parents computer. they are in two separate parts of the house and we also have a ton of USB drives and DVDs holding photos as well. (that is really about the only important thing that we really care about not losing) every two months or so I delete the old copy of the files from my parents PC, and replace it with a new copy (one copy for each drive).

    .....

    Also there is the 15GB of google cloud storage per google account which I use to transfer stuff around.



    So you DO have backups...:)
    Reply to USAFRet
  3. USAFRet said:
    Robert Cook said:

    however I have two USB 3.0 external drives (one is 2TB the other is 3TB) that I store photos on, along with a copy of all the files on my parents computer. they are in two separate parts of the house and we also have a ton of USB drives and DVDs holding photos as well. (that is really about the only important thing that we really care about not losing) every two months or so I delete the old copy of the files from my parents PC, and replace it with a new copy (one copy for each drive).

    .....

    Also there is the 15GB of google cloud storage per google account which I use to transfer stuff around.



    So you DO have backups...:)


    Not really, at least in a solid sense for my stuff no... although i guess that is indeed much better than some people.
    Reply to Robert Cook
  4. Well the reality is I don't really have much important stuff. My games are on Steam or other online services, I store files in things like Google Drive. But there are a few things that are important I do have, such a some of my website source codes. These I have saved on a couple of USB drives and hard drives as well as the server they are on.

    There is stuff where if I lost it I'd be quite bummed but it would not harm me in a detrimental way. So most my stuff is not backed up, but I don't really have important stuff anyway. Everything I do is basically online. USB drives suffice for what little important files I have.
    Reply to turkey3_scratch
  5. I have about five years of DVR and personal data backed up onto a second system.

    -Wolf sends
    Reply to Wolfshadw
  6. I dont.. I dont play games on these, thats what the Xbox is for. Dont use Raid, or NAS or whatever

    It'd be a waste of money getting them nothing to back up

    Dont have kids to screw things up.

    Only things I copy are on the hdd in the bedroom. Installs . updates for programs, videos

    Thats it.

    Nothing of importance on this. Only windows, Office, Firefox, ccleaner, Powerarchiver. And printer software / drivers

    If I have to format well that take what 5-10 mins
    Reply to Paul NZ
  7. I use a backup programme called AMANDA.

    It doesn't matter how carefull you are about your backup régime, it's useless unless you back up to an external drive and store it in a strong, fireproof box.

    We don't like to think our home might burn down but if it does, that disk you stored all your backups on will melt just as quickly as your PC or laptop. Put it in the same place as your fire insurance paperwork and if that isn't in a fireroof safe or similar, ... well.
    Reply to Saga Lout
  8. I just use a 2TB external. it isn't safe or secure so... yeah. Honestly though there is nothing on it that I truly need. I back up all my steam games to it so I don't have to download them all over again when I feel like playing, drivers, backgrounds, stuff like that. Anything actually important to me gets stored in OneDrive, which is only 2 small files, both are in reality unnecessary because the info they contain is available from a website (no they are not passwords or anything stupid like that).
    Reply to SinxarKnights
  9. I spent over a month ripping all of my DVDs to my hard drive and the hard drive failed without a back up. I was not about to spend another month plus, getting those movies re-ripped. Technically, the discs are my backups and they're still viable.

    -Wolf sends
    Reply to Wolfshadw
  10. I use a backup programme called AMANDA.

    It doesn't matter how carefull you are about your backup régime, it's useless unless you back up to an external drive and store the drive you back up your data on to in a strong, fireproof box.

    We don't like to think our home might burn down but if it does, that disk you stored all your backups on will melt just as quickly as your PC or laptop. Put it in the same place as your fire insurance paperwork and if that isn't in a fireroof safe or similar, ... well.


    Easier solution, just put it in a box and dig a hole.
    Reply to turkey3_scratch
  11. The only things of importance to me are pictures I have, and those exist on my phone, desktop, and laptop. That is the extent of my backups.

    I would personally like to have a more advanced setup, but I simply cant afford it, so I stick to duplicating data across 3 drives.
    Reply to Gam3r01
  12. Home server, 21TB of storage, running Win Server 2016 Essentials. Everything connected backed up every 24 hours. Server backed up twice a day.

    The server is also my BOINC box (SETI and PrimeGrid).

    All runs in the background, so other than initial setup, little effort is needed.
    Reply to COLGeek
  13. I use a backup programme called AMANDA.

    It doesn't matter how carefull you are about your backup régime, it's useless unless you back up to an external drive and store it in a strong, fireproof box.

    We don't like to think our home might burn down but if it does, that disk you stored all your backups on will melt just as quickly as your PC or laptop. Put it in the same place as your fire insurance paperwork and if that isn't in a fireroof safe or similar, ... well.



    This is very true, however with what we have stored digitally in our house, losing the house to the fire would be far more of a problem. also fireproof safes can fail as well as whatever is inside can get baked to death.

    Also ooooh never thought of using hex codes for color....
    Reply to Robert Cook
  14. Pro tip! highlight the above reply to see the secret message....
    never mind they work quite well....

    okay this is way to fun...
    Reply to Robert Cook
  15. The average householder might not miss their digital data but folks who run their businesses from home would have a lot more problems added to those of having nowhere to live.

    Add to that, the fact that my comments apply to all PC users whether their fire takes place at home or in business premises, they're valid in any font colour. :D
    Reply to Saga Lout
  16. I like the reasoning, and I hope my hex code comment did not come across as sarcastic, because I honestly did not think we could use hex codes for colored text here. this program is an off sight backup?
    Reply to Robert Cook
  17. Eh I've got 1TB of OneDrive storage because I subscribe to Office, Thats more than I need for any documents or pictures I have. I don't have kids or really fond of taking pictures of my family.

    Everything else is replaceable.
    Reply to James Mason
  18. I use a backup programme called AMANDA.

    It doesn't matter how carefull you are about your backup régime, it's useless unless you back up to an external drive and store it in a strong, fireproof box.

    We don't like to think our home might burn down but if it does, that disk you stored all your backups on will melt just as quickly as your PC or laptop. Put it in the same place as your fire insurance paperwork and if that isn't in a fireroof safe or similar, ... well.



    This is very true, however with what we have stored digitally in our house, losing the house to the fire would be far more of a problem. also fireproof safes can fail as well as whatever is inside can get baked to death.

    Also ooooh never thought of using hex codes for color....


    BTW, the text coloring cannot be read by some...like me and my color-blind eyes.
    Reply to COLGeek
  19. I use a backup programme called AMANDA.

    It doesn't matter how carefull you are about your backup régime, it's useless unless you back up to an external drive and store it in a strong, fireproof box.

    We don't like to think our home might burn down but if it does, that disk you stored all your backups on will melt just as quickly as your PC or laptop. Put it in the same place as your fire insurance paperwork and if that isn't in a fireroof safe or similar, ... well.



    This is very true, however with what we have stored digitally in our house, losing the house to the fire would be far more of a problem. also fireproof safes can fail as well as whatever is inside can get baked to death.

    Also ooooh never thought of using hex codes for color....


    BTW, the text coloring cannot be read by some...like me and my color-blind eyes.


    I can't read it even though i'm not colorblind
    Reply to James Mason
  20. My backup 'solution' is a combination of Google drive for my phone/browser bookmarks, the free OneDrive allowance for the occassional file & a 1TB external HDD in addition to my system drives (256GB 950 Pro, 256GB 850 EVO and 2x 1TB HDDs)

    I use <5% of my available storage in my rig and ultimately, I don't really care if I lose my data.

    The external HDD is where I have a backup of my music collection & some game files/edits and an ISO of the disk (for an older, pre-steam game)...
    I also keep backups of friends/family laptops files (pictures etc) for a short period of time after cleaning one up - for the inevitable "oh, I wish I'd mentioned X"

    It really wouldn't be the end of the world if I lost those files either - I don't really listen to the music anymore, and I only keep my game files (and only actually play it) because I've spent ~365 days real time playing it over the past ~8 years or so.

    I keep a duplicate of the game ISO on OneDrive, and I upload my latest save file to it every one in a while
    Reply to Barty1884
  21. Fortunately for me, my dad is a huge backup guy, we do backups of backups in some cases.

    For me personally, I have three drives in my system, my 1st SSD which is my OS drive and holds all my important files and data, my 2nd SSD which is purely a game drive, and 3rd my 1TB SSHD which serves as both my backup destination and my data drive for non critical stuff.

    I use StorageCraft's ShadowProtect desktop backup software for backing up my stuff. It's a bare-metal backup and it also is capable of doing incrementals aswell. It's an awesome piece of software.

    Then once a month my entire family backs up to another drive that is store off site from our house. Insuring that we have our data in case of a fire or theft.

    BTW USAFRet, this is sticky material in my opinion...
    Reply to TechyInAZ
  22. I have stored my most important data like pics and videos of my kids, old pics from when I was younger, official docs, etc on every single PC I have whether it be current laptops, old laptops, HTPC, a couple of old desktops, a 1TB external, and 2TB external, and even an old 1TB 3.5" hdd that's in a box in the basement AND for the kids' pics and videos, that's also on my parents' PC and external drive, my sister's PC, and the in-laws PC so it would be damn near impossible to lose those things, but that is just how important it is to me.

    I am currently trying to decide on the best way to have a home server or NAS like USAFRet and hope to get that up and running sooner than later. I can't decide if I want to just buy a 4 bay NAS or just build a small home server.
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  23. Why build when you could buy a perfectly serviceable Proliant or similar on e-Bay? Cheap Dell workstations also go for small change. Xeon rules in the service sector n my opinion.
    Reply to Saga Lout
  24. I only build myself a new PC every 3-5 years so I've been having that itch again. Plus, I can build exactly what I want that way too.

    I just can't decide on what I want haha
    Reply to CTurbo
  25. One of the reasons for this particular NAS box was that it will also take over HTPC duties.
    HDMI direct out to the TV. 4k if I had a 4k TV.
    Reply to USAFRet
  26. I dont automate backup .. I use the simple route , each important File I have , I save it from day one on 2 external drives (dual backup) . And I never lost any files at all ... because I change my hardware every 2 years ...

    Edit : and I make my External box my self , I use Only 5 years warranty Harddisk.
    Reply to Tech_TTT
  27. Each computer has two dedicated usb 1TB ext HDs that receive full images of the OS and Data partitions between weekly to bi-monthly. The ext HDs are stored in a fireproof safe. Two of the three computers have a 2nd internal HD [which normally are disabled] that receive the same full image backups from time to time.
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  28. This is kinda complicated because it involves my home ESXi server along with a dedicated file server (not a cheap linux NAS box). The main computer has an internal 2TB 5400RPM drive that acts solely as a backup drive, daily incremental / weekly full backups happen from the main SSD and the data 7200RPM HDD with all the temp, working and system restore folders skipped. The media drive doesn't get backed up because that's just iTunes and various other movies / TV shows I like to watch while I'm in my room. Now the file server hosts it's own four 3TB 5400 RPM disks in a RAID5 used for network storage. I have a special 2TB disk that's used as scratch space for system transfers or other "temporary backup" situations along with several disks that are used for long term archival should I need it. Soon I'll be moving into a more virtualized storage environment once I get my VMare EvalExperience license finished with. $200 a year for access to VCenter and VSAN is great, though obviously far beyond typical home users needs.
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  29. My home setup is a Qnap in Raid 1, with an external USB drive as backup - anything I cant stand to lose (photos etc) gets backed up to the cloud.
    Reply to RobCrezz
  30. I have stuff in both Dropbox and Drive, as well as on two seperate hard drives on my machine, and then an external... I plan to use my ATV with Debian on it as another backup in a bit...
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  31. RobCrezz said:
    My home setup is a Qnap in Raid 1, with an external USB drive as backup - anything I cant stand to lose (photos etc) gets backed up to the cloud.


    Which Qnap do you have? I have the TS-453A.
    Reply to USAFRet
  32. USAFRet said:
    RobCrezz said:
    My home setup is a Qnap in Raid 1, with an external USB drive as backup - anything I cant stand to lose (photos etc) gets backed up to the cloud.


    Which Qnap do you have? I have the TS-453A.


    A pretty ancient TS-219 II, still running though! :)
    Reply to RobCrezz
  33. Really critical data is on two PCs and a laptop, plus 3-4 thumb drives, some in different bugout bags. I also have scheduled Acronis backups of primary disks in my system to a larger backup drive in the same system. Though not a "backup," per see, Minion's data is on a RAID1, so a single drive failure should be entirely recoverable. I do not use the Vapor, since I'm interested in data backup, not data sharing.
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  34. Main importance to me is my family photo's & Videos, and a few documents like taxes.

    The 6 pc's backup to my Windows Home Server.
    Server backs up to a Nas on a timer.
    Both on UPS's

    Anytime there new things of importance I burn 2 dvd's, One in my basement and one goes in my sisters basement, as well as keeping another copy on MY main pc's raid1 6tb drives.
    yes 5 different backups but I consider the dvd's a last resort kind of thing.

    Over there years I've survived 2 floods and a house fire without data loss.
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  35. James Mason said:
    Eh I've got 1TB of OneDrive storage because I subscribe to Office, Thats more than I need for any documents or pictures I have.

    Everything else is replaceable.


    Yep, this.

    I read the responses above "I have 6 PCs" and "I have 21Tb of data" and think Whaaaaaaat? Who has 6 PCs in their house or has 21Tb of critical data stored at home? What the hell are y'all doing?

    I have way less than 100Gb of data that's actually important and irreplacable (photos mainly) that's uploaded to OneDrive, apart from that, the internet is my backup.
    Reply to gopher1369
  36. Okay , Important Question :

    What is the best Media today to store files for like more than 20 years to come ? outside harddisks they cant live 20 years ...
    Reply to Tech_TTT
  37. Tech_TTT said:
    Okay , Important Question :

    What is the best Media today to store files for like more than 20 years to come ? outside harddisks they cant live 20 years ...


    Rotating your data every couple of years to whatever is new and works well.

    20 years ago (1997), this question would have been answered with "CD's". Or 6GB hard drives. Or tape.
    HAHA.

    Today, someone might suggest archival grade blu-rays.
    Hopefully, you'll still have a working drive, and something to connect it to, in 2037.
    Reply to USAFRet
  38. USAFRet said:
    Tech_TTT said:
    Okay , Important Question :

    What is the best Media today to store files for like more than 20 years to come ? outside harddisks they cant live 20 years ...


    Rotating your data every couple of years to whatever is new and works well.

    20 years ago (1997), this question would have been answered with "CD's". Or 6GB hard drives. Or tape.
    HAHA.

    Today, someone might suggest archival grade blu-rays.
    Hopefully, you'll still have a working drive, and something to connect it to, in 2037.


    How about ROM chips ? like the one used in old Consoles ? I can buy an ATARI 2600, 40 years old Cartridge and it is still working !!!

    The same for Old Computers , no matter how old the PC is , its operating system and programs in ROM will work , yes maybe some Capacitors will need to be changed on the motherboard for it to function , but the ROM Data is never lost..

    Buy an Apple 2 or Atari 2600, or Coleco , or NES , from ebay today and it will boot perfectly with the stored OS and Programs in ROM.

    The Question is , why dont we make ROMS for storing data now ? They can last longer than any media we have today.
    Reply to Tech_TTT
  39. I have seen some hard disks as old as ten years where the data were perfectly recoverable. If it isn't spinning at 7,200 rpm every waking hour, a drive can last - well, who knows how many years.

    It's a shame that some archaeologist who finds it in 3017 will mess up the data by taking the drive apart.
    Reply to Saga Lout
  40. Tech_TTT said:
    USAFRet said:
    Tech_TTT said:
    Okay , Important Question :

    What is the best Media today to store files for like more than 20 years to come ? outside harddisks they cant live 20 years ...


    Rotating your data every couple of years to whatever is new and works well.

    20 years ago (1997), this question would have been answered with "CD's". Or 6GB hard drives. Or tape.
    HAHA.

    Today, someone might suggest archival grade blu-rays.
    Hopefully, you'll still have a working drive, and something to connect it to, in 2037.


    How about ROM chips ? like the one used in old Consoles ? I can buy an ATARI 2600, 40 years old Cartridge and it is still working !!!

    The same for Old Computers , no matter how old the PC is , its operating system and programs in ROM will work , yes maybe some Capacitors will need to be changed on the motherboard for it to function , but the ROM Data is never lost..

    Buy an Apple 2 or Atari 2600, or Coleco , or NES , from ebay today and it will boot perfectly with the stored OS and Programs in ROM.

    The Question is , why dont we make ROMS for storing data now ? They can last longer than any media we have today.


    Well its in the name, Read Only Memory. Wouldn't be much use for backup...
    Reply to RobCrezz
  41. RobCrezz said:
    Tech_TTT said:
    USAFRet said:
    Tech_TTT said:
    Okay , Important Question :

    What is the best Media today to store files for like more than 20 years to come ? outside harddisks they cant live 20 years ...


    Rotating your data every couple of years to whatever is new and works well.

    20 years ago (1997), this question would have been answered with "CD's". Or 6GB hard drives. Or tape.
    HAHA.

    Today, someone might suggest archival grade blu-rays.
    Hopefully, you'll still have a working drive, and something to connect it to, in 2037.


    How about ROM chips ? like the one used in old Consoles ? I can buy an ATARI 2600, 40 years old Cartridge and it is still working !!!

    The same for Old Computers , no matter how old the PC is , its operating system and programs in ROM will work , yes maybe some Capacitors will need to be changed on the motherboard for it to function , but the ROM Data is never lost..

    Buy an Apple 2 or Atari 2600, or Coleco , or NES , from ebay today and it will boot perfectly with the stored OS and Programs in ROM.

    The Question is , why dont we make ROMS for storing data now ? They can last longer than any media we have today.


    Well its in the name, Read Only Memory. Wouldn't be much use for backup...


    normal Blue ray , DVD and CD are read only as well .. you can Write it ONCE.. ROM can be written once as well.
    Reply to Tech_TTT
  42. Tech_TTT said:
    RobCrezz said:
    Tech_TTT said:
    USAFRet said:
    Tech_TTT said:
    Okay , Important Question :

    What is the best Media today to store files for like more than 20 years to come ? outside harddisks they cant live 20 years ...


    Rotating your data every couple of years to whatever is new and works well.

    20 years ago (1997), this question would have been answered with "CD's". Or 6GB hard drives. Or tape.
    HAHA.

    Today, someone might suggest archival grade blu-rays.
    Hopefully, you'll still have a working drive, and something to connect it to, in 2037.


    How about ROM chips ? like the one used in old Consoles ? I can buy an ATARI 2600, 40 years old Cartridge and it is still working !!!

    The same for Old Computers , no matter how old the PC is , its operating system and programs in ROM will work , yes maybe some Capacitors will need to be changed on the motherboard for it to function , but the ROM Data is never lost..

    Buy an Apple 2 or Atari 2600, or Coleco , or NES , from ebay today and it will boot perfectly with the stored OS and Programs in ROM.

    The Question is , why dont we make ROMS for storing data now ? They can last longer than any media we have today.


    Well its in the name, Read Only Memory. Wouldn't be much use for backup...


    normal Blue ray , DVD and CD are read only as well .. you can Write it ONCE.. ROM can be written once as well.


    Yeah not without special equipment. And CD-RW/DVD-RW and blue ray RW are all pretty common place.
    Reply to RobCrezz
  43. RobCrezz said:
    Tech_TTT said:
    RobCrezz said:
    Tech_TTT said:
    USAFRet said:
    Tech_TTT said:
    Okay , Important Question :

    What is the best Media today to store files for like more than 20 years to come ? outside harddisks they cant live 20 years ...


    Rotating your data every couple of years to whatever is new and works well.

    20 years ago (1997), this question would have been answered with "CD's". Or 6GB hard drives. Or tape.
    HAHA.

    Today, someone might suggest archival grade blu-rays.
    Hopefully, you'll still have a working drive, and something to connect it to, in 2037.


    How about ROM chips ? like the one used in old Consoles ? I can buy an ATARI 2600, 40 years old Cartridge and it is still working !!!

    The same for Old Computers , no matter how old the PC is , its operating system and programs in ROM will work , yes maybe some Capacitors will need to be changed on the motherboard for it to function , but the ROM Data is never lost..

    Buy an Apple 2 or Atari 2600, or Coleco , or NES , from ebay today and it will boot perfectly with the stored OS and Programs in ROM.

    The Question is , why dont we make ROMS for storing data now ? They can last longer than any media we have today.


    Well its in the name, Read Only Memory. Wouldn't be much use for backup...


    normal Blue ray , DVD and CD are read only as well .. you can Write it ONCE.. ROM can be written once as well.


    Yeah not without special equipment. And CD-RW/DVD-RW and blue ray RW are all pretty common place.


    I am not saying the ROM writers are available in the consumer the market, nor saying huge Size ROMS are available as well , what I am saying is : why not ... Just an idea.

    And they are very reliable , they live 100 years , and they dont get scratched/broken easy like DVD nor lose data like Magnetic drives .
    Reply to Tech_TTT
  44. Tech_TTT said:
    RobCrezz said:
    Tech_TTT said:
    RobCrezz said:
    Tech_TTT said:
    USAFRet said:
    Tech_TTT said:
    Okay , Important Question :

    What is the best Media today to store files for like more than 20 years to come ? outside harddisks they cant live 20 years ...


    Rotating your data every couple of years to whatever is new and works well.

    20 years ago (1997), this question would have been answered with "CD's". Or 6GB hard drives. Or tape.
    HAHA.

    Today, someone might suggest archival grade blu-rays.
    Hopefully, you'll still have a working drive, and something to connect it to, in 2037.


    How about ROM chips ? like the one used in old Consoles ? I can buy an ATARI 2600, 40 years old Cartridge and it is still working !!!

    The same for Old Computers , no matter how old the PC is , its operating system and programs in ROM will work , yes maybe some Capacitors will need to be changed on the motherboard for it to function , but the ROM Data is never lost..

    Buy an Apple 2 or Atari 2600, or Coleco , or NES , from ebay today and it will boot perfectly with the stored OS and Programs in ROM.

    The Question is , why dont we make ROMS for storing data now ? They can last longer than any media we have today.


    Well its in the name, Read Only Memory. Wouldn't be much use for backup...


    normal Blue ray , DVD and CD are read only as well .. you can Write it ONCE.. ROM can be written once as well.


    Yeah not without special equipment. And CD-RW/DVD-RW and blue ray RW are all pretty common place.


    I am not saying the ROM writers are available in the consumer the market, nor saying huge Size ROMS are available as well , what I am saying is : why not ... Just an idea.

    And they are very reliable , they live 100 years , and they dont get scratched/broken easy like DVD nor lose data like Magnetic drives .


    Yeah and I think thats the reason why not, when Flash based solutions are so cheap and cloud storage is so accessible.
    Reply to RobCrezz
  45. Quote:
    Yeah and I think thats the reason why not, when Flash based solutions are so cheap and cloud storage is so accessible.


    What flash based solution? Flash are not reliable like the ROM .. and what cloud ? Cloud needs internet access , and will need weeks to restore data from the internet with current consumer bandwidth , and you must keep paying all your life for it per Giga Byte . they are not good for keeping files at all..
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  46. all important documents have been printed, notarized and left in a safety box at the bank., in case of a problem a copy of my will is at my lawyer as well, all important documents, deed to house, cars, insurance, life insurance, copies of taxes etc., are locked at the bank.

    digital documents like word, pdf, photos etc. have a NAS drive for it, and a copy on an external USB drive.

    in case of fire, grab kid, wife and animals in that order... hell with digital documents of " little importance", the important ones are at the bank :P
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  47. The Paladin said:
    in case of fire, grab kid, wife and animals in that order... hell with digital documents of " little importance", the important ones are at the bank :P


    lol
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  48. Tech_TTT said:
    Quote:
    Yeah and I think thats the reason why not, when Flash based solutions are so cheap and cloud storage is so accessible.


    What flash based solution? Flash are not reliable like the ROM .. and what cloud ? Cloud needs internet access , and will need weeks to restore data from the internet with current consumer bandwidth , and you must keep paying all your life for it per Giga Byte . they are not good for keeping files at all..


    Im just giving you reasons why we dont use ROMs as backup storage.

    Flash media, like SSD or USB flash storage.

    Cloud taking weeks? entirely depends on how much data and how fast your internet connection is. How much data does the average consumer need to backup (the data they just cannot lose), probably only a few Gb really, not much for most peoples internet connection these days.
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  49. RobCrezz said:
    Tech_TTT said:
    Quote:
    Yeah and I think thats the reason why not, when Flash based solutions are so cheap and cloud storage is so accessible.


    What flash based solution? Flash are not reliable like the ROM .. and what cloud ? Cloud needs internet access , and will need weeks to restore data from the internet with current consumer bandwidth , and you must keep paying all your life for it per Giga Byte . they are not good for keeping files at all..


    Im just giving you reasons why we dont use ROMs as backup storage.

    Flash media, like SSD or USB flash storage.

    Cloud taking weeks? entirely depends on how much data and how fast your internet connection is. How much data does the average consumer need to backup (the data they just cannot lose), probably only a few Gb really, not much for most peoples internet connection these days.


    USB flash can get corrupted very easy they are the worst in keeping DATA for a long period of time , they are even less durable than hard disks . SSD as well . the worst.

    as for clouds take weeks ? yes they do .. I am talking about storing huge media files ... not documents . and again you still need the internet connection.
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