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  1. MSI Afterburner shows that I use around 11.5GB RAM at MAX. I also had 3-4 tabs in google chrome open, spotify and maybe origin and uplay. So it's not getting maxed out if that answers your question... :( :I
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  2. pcfreaky said:
    TechyInAZ said:
    PC-4LIFE said:
    TechyInAZ said:
    Yep, on most of the latest games a 1070 + old core i5 will have that issue. But you shouldn't get mouse lag or sound stutters.


    That would be caused by insufficient RAM wouldn't it?


    16GB is plenty for a gaming PC, if he had 8GB, then that would be a possibility.


    You have any idea from what it is/What causes the mouse and sound stutter/lag? D:
    But it's only in Titanfall 2 Multiplayer, so it's not the end of the world for me xD
    It helps when I put windows sound from 7.1 to stereo.....


    Unfortunately I wouldn't know. I suggest you make a new thread regarding your issue. More people can probably help you there. :)
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  3. why is there no 2nd gen intel cpus? are all of 2nd gen intel bottleneck all of the cards?
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  4. ItsChristian said:
    why is there no 2nd gen intel cpus? are all of 2nd gen intel bottleneck all of the cards?


    You are correct.
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  5. pcfreaky said:
    Most people I asked told me that the i5-3570k won't bottleneck the 1070. Atleast not by much.
    Well.....I just can not agree with that at ALL! It's not fun playing games while seing 100% Cpu usage and 40%-60% GPU Usage.
    Ofcourse its not on most games, but its happening in GTA 5, Watch Dogs 2 and Titanfall 2 Multiplayer! Titanfall 2 is really weird because in Multiplayer my mouse gets VERY laggy and sound is stuttering while my CPU is at 100% usage.
    I'm getting a i7-6700k because I just cant deal with this annoyance and I want as little as possible GPU bottleneck!

    PC Specs currentely:
    B75MA-p45
    i5-3570k OC to 3.8Ghz
    Zotac GTX 1070 AMP! Extreme
    Corsair Vengeance 650W
    16GB RAM
    1TB (D)+500GB (C (Windows))
    1080p 60hz display


    Hey... just got a 1070 and with my i5-4460 there is no bottleneck in 1080p at least with gta... In watch dogs 2 its very light but with v sync its ok. ( I am in triple monitors 1080x3)
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  6. stavrosmast said:
    pcfreaky said:
    Most people I asked told me that the i5-3570k won't bottleneck the 1070. Atleast not by much.
    Well.....I just can not agree with that at ALL! It's not fun playing games while seing 100% Cpu usage and 40%-60% GPU Usage.
    Ofcourse its not on most games, but its happening in GTA 5, Watch Dogs 2 and Titanfall 2 Multiplayer! Titanfall 2 is really weird because in Multiplayer my mouse gets VERY laggy and sound is stuttering while my CPU is at 100% usage.
    I'm getting a i7-6700k because I just cant deal with this annoyance and I want as little as possible GPU bottleneck!

    PC Specs currentely:
    B75MA-p45
    i5-3570k OC to 3.8Ghz
    Zotac GTX 1070 AMP! Extreme
    Corsair Vengeance 650W
    16GB RAM
    1TB (D)+500GB (C (Windows))
    1080p 60hz display


    Hey... just got a 1070 and with my i5-4460 there is no bottleneck in 1080p at least with gta... In watch dogs 2 its very light but with v sync its ok. ( I am in triple monitors 1080x3)


    If your running high res like 5760 x 1080, then you won't bottleneck as badly. If your frame rate is above 140fps, that's where the CPU starts choking.
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  7. Can you post anything for the 1050/1050 Ti that came out recently? I want to see if a CPU upgrade would be worth the money.
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  8. Sorry about that sir, I forgot that this thread needs updating for the 1050 and 1050 ti.

    I'll get that done as soon as I can. ETA will be in a few days or less (hopefully).
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  9. I'm running a 1080 with 5760x1080 res. Upgraded from a 780ti which was running things fine but with this new 1080 I'm getting worse performance!
    With the i7 2600k @ 4.4, 16GB ram and SSD's, everything was smooth with the eye candy off on the 780ti, however the 1080 is struggling on the same settings.
    It reports 60-70fps in watchdogs, the division is less than that, whereas previously I was getting 70+ on the 780ti. It jumps, judders and tears about the place like crazy.

    I've reinstalled Windows 10 (and 7 and 8), fresh build with Nvidia and Steam, same issues. Weirdly the OS seems a little dull and sluggish since the card change.

    Any bright ideas before I return the GPU? (Gigabyte 1080 G1 Gaming)

    Passmark benchmarks are:
    CPU - 9612
    3D GFX- 8548
    Memory - 2692
    Disk - 4196
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  10. What's your PSU? Infact, list all your specs if I may ask.
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  11. Schui1024 said:
    I'm running a 1080 with 5760x1080 res. Upgraded from a 780ti which was running things fine but with this new 1080 I'm getting worse performance!
    With the i7 2600k @ 4.4, 16GB ram and SSD's, everything was smooth with the eye candy off on the 780ti, however the 1080 is struggling on the same settings.
    It reports 60-70fps in watchdogs, the division is less than that, whereas previously I was getting 70+ on the 780ti. It jumps, judders and tears about the place like crazy.

    I've reinstalled Windows 10 (and 7 and 8), fresh build with Nvidia and Steam, same issues. Weirdly the OS seems a little dull and sluggish since the card change.

    Any bright ideas before I return the GPU? (Gigabyte 1080 G1 Gaming)

    Passmark benchmarks are:
    CPU - 9612
    3D GFX- 8548
    Memory - 2692
    Disk - 4196



    Try overclocking it, and installing newest drivers and unless you have an ssd try to go back to win 7/8.1
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  12. PSU is a 1000w Coolermaster Gold, so no issues with power.

    The original issue was I killed my 780ti. I was hovering the guts of the PC and using a paint brush moving the dust off etc.. Played about 5 mins of a game and boom, pc freezes etc. Tried diff drivers, reinstalled windows MANY times etc.. same result. We tried the 780ti in a mates pc with the same results, so it was toast. The 1080 really wasn't working well, seemed to make the entire PC go sluggish. Same results in the other pc which is bizarre. Anyway the 1080 is going back, and I'll wait until the ti version comes out then upgrade the lot. (probably)

    Believe it or not, I thought I'd clean up the 780ti cooler before selling it for spares/parts on fleabay. Whilst I was cleaning the cooler I threw the pcb in the oven at 210 for 10 mins. (along with my dinner). Let it cool, put it back in and bingo! It's working fine. In fact it's running cooler than before!

    So although it smells a little bit of lasagne, its actually doing rather well in its 2nd life!

    Thanks for all your advice..
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  13. Alright, the GTX 1050 Ti Chart is up and running! I've also incorporated Kaby Lake into all charts except for the maxwell chart.

    If anybody needs me to do an RX 470 and RX 460 bottlenecking chart, ask, and I will do it.
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  14. TechyInAZ said:
    Alright, the GTX 1050 Ti Chart is up and running! I've also incorporated Kaby Lake into all charts except for the maxwell chart.

    If anybody needs me to do an RX 470 and RX 460 bottlenecking chart, ask, and I will do it.

    That'd be great :)
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  15. question again:
    How about the Pentium G4560? is it bottlenecking the 1050 ti and 1060? I'm actully planning to buy one instead of an i3 6100/7100
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  16. A 1060, yeah a Pentium will bottleneck... But it shouldn't with a 1050 ti, even if it did, it would be incredibly minor.
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  17. the 1050Ti is better than a 950 right??
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  18. stavrosmast said:
    the 1050Ti is better than a 950 right??


    Performance wise they are very very similar. I'd say equal in performance if you dump all the benchmarks into one graph.

    Update: I take that back, the 1050 is nearly equal to the 950 but the 1050 ti still wins a vast majority of benchmarks: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1050-ti,4787-5.html

    But, the 1050 Ti is better in power savings, features, and having more vram.
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  19. So you could say Oc'd 1050Ti= stock 960?
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  20. stavrosmast said:
    So you could say Oc'd 1050Ti= stock 960?


    Yes you are correct.
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  21. Wait, how's the i5 4690K is worst than the I5-6400? doesnt makes any sense at all. Quick google research on reviews and figured out the i5 4690k is better in cpu-intensive games.
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  22. Sagittariusss said:
    Wait, how's the i5 4690K is worst than the I5-6400? doesnt makes any sense at all. Quick google research on reviews and figured out the i5 4690k is better in cpu-intensive games.


    Simple, core clock. Haswell's performance compared to Skylake isn't that significant at all. Plus, add in the 6400s really low core clock compared to a 4690k at a high overclock, and the 4690k will always win.
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  23. TechyInAZ said:
    Sagittariusss said:
    Wait, how's the i5 4690K is worst than the I5-6400? doesnt makes any sense at all. Quick google research on reviews and figured out the i5 4690k is better in cpu-intensive games.


    Simple, core clock. Haswell's performance compared to Skylake isn't that significant at all. Plus, add in the 6400s really low core clock compared to a 4690k at a high overclock, and the 4690k will always win.


    if the i5-6400 was overclockable could we overclock it that much? maybe, but we can overclock the i5 4690k aswell. Basically you said, the i5 4690k is better than the i5-6400, and i still dont know why in your chart it is worst.

    #edit thought you post was about bottlenecking and not about power effiency per fps.
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  24. Sagittariusss said:
    TechyInAZ said:
    Sagittariusss said:
    Wait, how's the i5 4690K is worst than the I5-6400? doesnt makes any sense at all. Quick google research on reviews and figured out the i5 4690k is better in cpu-intensive games.


    Simple, core clock. Haswell's performance compared to Skylake isn't that significant at all. Plus, add in the 6400s really low core clock compared to a 4690k at a high overclock, and the 4690k will always win.


    if the i5-6400 was overclockable could we overclock it that much? maybe, but we can overclock the i5 4690k aswell. Basically you said, the i5 4690k is better than the i5-6400, and i still dont know why in your chart it is worst.

    #edit thought you post was about bottlenecking and not about power effiency per fps.


    Which specific chart are u talking about? Cause that's a typo of I said the 4690k is worse than the 6400.

    The 6400 is actually overclockable, but you have to use BCLK which won't get you far at all. I can imagine you'd top out at 3.2ghzish.
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  25. Sagittariusss said:
    TechyInAZ said:
    Sagittariusss said:
    Wait, how's the i5 4690K is worst than the I5-6400? doesnt makes any sense at all. Quick google research on reviews and figured out the i5 4690k is better in cpu-intensive games.


    Simple, core clock. Haswell's performance compared to Skylake isn't that significant at all. Plus, add in the 6400s really low core clock compared to a 4690k at a high overclock, and the 4690k will always win.


    if the i5-6400 was overclockable could we overclock it that much? maybe, but we can overclock the i5 4690k aswell. Basically you said, the i5 4690k is better than the i5-6400, and i still dont know why in your chart it is worst.

    #edit thought you post was about bottlenecking and not about power effiency per fps.


    Which specific chart are u talking about? Cause that's a typo of I said the 4690k is worse than the 6400.

    The 6400 is actually overclockable, but you have to use BCLK which won't get you far at all. I can imagine you'd top out at 3.2ghzish.
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  26. TechyInAZ said:
    Sagittariusss said:
    TechyInAZ said:
    Sagittariusss said:
    Wait, how's the i5 4690K is worst than the I5-6400? doesnt makes any sense at all. Quick google research on reviews and figured out the i5 4690k is better in cpu-intensive games.


    Simple, core clock. Haswell's performance compared to Skylake isn't that significant at all. Plus, add in the 6400s really low core clock compared to a 4690k at a high overclock, and the 4690k will always win.


    if the i5-6400 was overclockable could we overclock it that much? maybe, but we can overclock the i5 4690k aswell. Basically you said, the i5 4690k is better than the i5-6400, and i still dont know why in your chart it is worst.

    #edit thought you post was about bottlenecking and not about power effiency per fps.


    Which specific chart are u talking about? Cause that's a typo of I said the 4690k is worse than the 6400.

    The 6400 is actually overclockable, but you have to use BCLK which won't get you far at all. I can imagine you'd top out at 3.2ghzish.


    So how the i5 4690k would bottleneck more if at any application the i5 6400 is worst than it? I'm talking about this chart http://
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  27. I have a Xeon processor, which is not listed in this list. Can I think it as an i7 processor with its hyper threading?
    Will a Xeon 1230v3@3.3 Ghz (Haswell/Ivy Bridge-E, Intel 4th Generation) bottleneck a MSI GTX 1070 8gb Gaming X?
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  28. Sagittariusss said:
    TechyInAZ said:
    Sagittariusss said:
    TechyInAZ said:
    Sagittariusss said:
    Wait, how's the i5 4690K is worst than the I5-6400? doesnt makes any sense at all. Quick google research on reviews and figured out the i5 4690k is better in cpu-intensive games.


    Simple, core clock. Haswell's performance compared to Skylake isn't that significant at all. Plus, add in the 6400s really low core clock compared to a 4690k at a high overclock, and the 4690k will always win.


    if the i5-6400 was overclockable could we overclock it that much? maybe, but we can overclock the i5 4690k aswell. Basically you said, the i5 4690k is better than the i5-6400, and i still dont know why in your chart it is worst.

    #edit thought you post was about bottlenecking and not about power effiency per fps.


    Which specific chart are u talking about? Cause that's a typo of I said the 4690k is worse than the 6400.

    The 6400 is actually overclockable, but you have to use BCLK which won't get you far at all. I can imagine you'd top out at 3.2ghzish.


    So how the i5 4690k would bottleneck more if at any application the i5 6400 is worst than it? I'm talking about this chart http://



    I see your point. Let me fix that.
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  29. turbopixel said:
    I have a Xeon processor, which is not listed in this list. Can I think it as an i7 processor with its hyper threading?
    Will a Xeon 1230v3@3.3 Ghz (Haswell/Ivy Bridge-E, Intel 4th Generation) bottleneck a MSI GTX 1070 8gb Gaming X?


    Your Xeon is the equivalent of a i7 4770/4790. So you shouldn't get any. If at all, you'll only be in the pink.
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  30. TechyInAZ, thank you. Got my MSI GTX 1070 today (upgrading from MSI GTX 970) and I did benchmark previous card and my new one. Seems to work good, although on FireStrike I don't get too high results. On the other side 1) system fans and whole system setup is set to slow and quite operation, 2) I don't overclock cpu and gpu, 3) compared to benchmark sites, they have usually newest cpu and ram overclocked. If anyone want to upgrade to same graphics card on a Xeon processor, I can fully recommend it here now.
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  31. P55UDR3 gigabyte (motherboard)
    Psu 500w
    Intel i5 661 @3.33ghz
    Wanting to upgrade to 1000or 900series
    Will it bottleneck my pc
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  32. PandaKun1205 said:
    P55UDR3 gigabyte (motherboard)
    Psu 500w
    Intel i5 661 @3.33ghz
    Wanting to upgrade to 1000or 900series
    Will it bottleneck my pc


    Your CPU is going to bottleneck any GTX 900 series or 1000 series GPU unfortunately.
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  33. When you going add Ryzen 7 on there
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  34. valeman2012 said:
    When you going add Ryzen 7 on there


    :lol: Ryzen 7 just launched, nobody even has "real" benchmarks on it yet. Can't make a graph until reviews come out.

    But when they do come out, i'll definitely make a new spreadsheet.
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  35. It be funny if AMD going drop bomb on us again, just like the FX 9590.
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  36. Just letting you all know that I updated the Bottlenecking Guide with a VERY VERY critical variable I actually only learned a month ago, that is bottlenecking based on frame rate.
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  37. any chance of a 1080 ti update good sir?
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  38. Jonathan Cave said:
    any chance of a 1080 ti update good sir?


    Yes. There will be a new chart for 1080 TI. However, just like for Ryzen, I need to wait until many people get their hands on these cards, so I can at least get a semi-accurate chart up and running from the get go.
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  39. TechyInAZ said:
    ashleybog said:
    will a i7-4790k be alright with 1 RX 480? or should it need 2?

    1 or 2 will be fine. The 4790K won't bottleneck them either way.


    I'm looking at a 2nd gen i7 2600. Don't know if it's 'K' and a RX 480 nitro+ to replace for a client. I don't see it listed. The other is my i7 3770K and a RX480. Think I'll encounter a 'bottleneck'?
    Thanks.
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  40. Rexer said:
    TechyInAZ said:
    ashleybog said:
    will a i7-4790k be alright with 1 RX 480? or should it need 2?

    1 or 2 will be fine. The 4790K won't bottleneck them either way.


    I'm looking at a 2nd gen i7 2600. Don't know if it's 'K' and a RX 480 nitro+ to replace for a client. I don't see it listed. The other is my i7 3770K and a RX480. Think I'll encounter a 'bottleneck'?
    Thanks.


    Maybe a little on the 2600, but doubtful on a 3770k.
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  41. Calling ALL GTX 1080 Ti owners!!

    For those of you who have a 1080 Ti, it would mean a lot to me if you guys could give me your estimates on how much you would consider your systems are being bottlenecked by the 1080 TI, if at all. Basically, I consider 90% GPU usage or lower to be a legitimate CPU bottleneck. 90% is pink. 75% is blue, 60% is red. These are all AVERAGE GPU usages.

    Unfortunately, I can't just call up Nvidia and tell them to send me a 1080 Ti for me to use. So I need users like you guys to help out.
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  42. TechyInAZ said:
    Rexer said:
    TechyInAZ said:
    ashleybog said:
    will a i7-4790k be alright with 1 RX 480? or should it need 2?

    1 or 2 will be fine. The 4790K won't bottleneck them either way.


    I'm looking at a 2nd gen i7 2600. Don't know if it's 'K' and a RX 480 nitro+ to replace for a client. I don't see it listed. The other is my i7 3770K and a RX480. Think I'll encounter a 'bottleneck'?
    Thanks.


    Maybe a little on the 2600, but doubtful on a 3770k.

    Thanks bro. It's surprising how fast time ages technology goodies. I feel I just built my 3770k. Next month will be 4 years.
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  43. Rexer said:
    Maybe a little on the 2600, but doubtful on a 3770k.

    Thanks bro. It's surprising how fast time ages technology goodies. I feel I just built my 3770k. Next month will be 4 years.

    Congrats! I'm going on 3 years with my 4690K. Has been a real champ! No bottlenecking issues on a 1060 at all.
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  44. Built a 1700x/1080ti for a friend. Really never hit much of a GPU bottlneck, but he wanted a 1440p/120hz setup. It skirted in the 80-85% usage a time or two but the those situations the fps was always in the 180+ range and CPU usage was nearby so it'd be tough to call it a bottleneck at all
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  45. Supahos said:
    Built a 1700x/1080ti for a friend. Really never hit much of a GPU bottlneck, but he wanted a 1440p/120hz setup. It skirted in the 80-85% usage a time or two but the those situations the fps was always in the 180+ range and CPU usage was nearby so it'd be tough to call it a bottleneck at all


    Your probably hitting a bottleneck, but it's so minor that it really doesn't matter. Once you hit 180fps, bottlenecking isn't important.
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  46. Whoever is trying to gain editing access to my spreadsheets, please, list the changes here and me or another moderator will add them to the chart.
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  47. TechyInAZ said:
    Calling ALL GTX 1080 Ti owners!!

    For those of you who have a 1080 Ti, it would mean a lot to me if you guys could give me your estimates on how much you would consider your systems are being bottlenecked by the 1080 TI, if at all. Basically, I consider 90% GPU usage or lower to be a legitimate CPU bottleneck. 90% is pink. 75% is blue, 60% is red. These are all AVERAGE GPU usages.

    Unfortunately, I can't just call up Nvidia and tell them to send me a 1080 Ti for me to use. So I need users like you guys to help out.


    I'm not seeing any issues with a 5930k and 1080 Ti. Afterburner reports 99% gpu usage.
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  48. My TITAN Xp arrived today and I did a few tests to see if my old CPU is holding me back.
    My current configuration is:
    i7 4790K @ 4GHz
    16GB RAM Corsair Dominator @ 1600
    ASUS MAXIMUS VII HERO
    Apart from the TITAN Xp, I also have ASUS 980Ti Strix set to do PhysX.

    With my old setup (980Ti + 970) I did the test only on Rise of the Tomb Raider and the GPU usage was at firm 100%.
    All the games below are on maximum graphics settings @ 3440 x 1440 and they run perfectly (I had no way to see the exact frame rate tho').

    Rise of the Tomb Raider

    It seems to stay well into the 99%. The initial lower usage is while I was in the game menu.

    NieR Automata

    Much lower usage here. This is the beginning of the game, where you have plenty of 2D-ish sections and not very intense combat. But it seems to be staying mostly in the 70 - 80% range.

    The Witcher 3

    Lind of up and down here, jumping between 80 and 99%.

    The last one is Iray Rendering in Daz Studio

    Here both cards are staying pretty much firmly at 99%. But I don't know how indicative this is, since the CPU is excluded from the rendering process.

    What do you guys think? Are my other components blocking the GPU, or it just doesn't need it's full power 100% of the time?
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  49. Hi there, I'm running a 1800x+1080 ti setup. GPU usage differs depending on the games I play, I was getting pretty steady 97-99% on titles like battlefield 1, witcher 3, battlefield 4 (1080p). Far cry 4 however hates the setup, the gpu runs at 40-50% on 1080p and doesn't get much better on 1440p, even at 4k it does not stay at 99% most of the times (frames difference between 1080p to 4k is literally less than 20 frames). For crysis 3 it sometimes hopes to 60s and 70s but most of the time it stays around 99%. Hope some of my information helps, really wish they start optimizing ryzen now so I don't make myself look dumb going from a 4790k to a 1800x :(
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  50. Thanks a ton guys! This is exactly what I need.

    Expect a whole new set of bottlenecking guides for Ryzen and 1080 Ti soon.
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