AMD RX 400 series (Polaris) MegaThread! FAQ & Resources - page 5

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  1. cdrkf said:
    17seconds said:
    Polaris was intended to be a full generation of its own and compete on the high-end enthusiast segment. Problems with production quality and Nvidia's surprising performance led them to re-brand these as mid-range only cards.



    That road map doesn't state anything about market segment- and that argument doesn't hold water when you considder:

    AMD knew the specifications of the Polaris 10 gpu when they created it- and it is a less powerful gpu (by any measure) than their existing Hawaii and Fiji silicone.

    The argument 'they dropped it to mid range due to nVidia' is nonsense because the card is mid range against their own existing product stack.What you are describing is them creating a massive, high core count chip like Fiji, and marketing THAT as a 'x80' part due to a performance problem. That just isn't what happened here- Polaris 10 is a small, mid range part (it happens to be the exact same size as Pitcarin). There is no way ANYONE at AMD expected it to go in any higher of a market segment than it did based on those specifications. The only potential change nVidia might have forced is they dropped the price of it slightly- I'd have guessed they would have preferred to sell it at $250 instead of $200 for the base model.


    sometimes i was thinking AMD probably will not going to release anything faster than Fury X in 2016. this year AMD product stack probably like this:

    ultra high end: pro duo
    high end: Fury series
    midrange: polaris 10 (replacing hawaii)
    low end: polaris 11 (replacing all older GCN in this performance segment)

    right now we have no solid info on Vega. if AMD really banking on HBM2 for Vega we most likely won't see Vega this year.
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  2. Yuka said:
    These two cards are the ones I'd like to see face each other in a "value" contest: G1 Gaming 1060[/ur] and Nitro+ RX480.

    Cheers!


    According to THIS
    The 4GB Nitro matches the 1060 reference but you can't overclock it any further. Seems a good price to performance. If the availability wasn't so bad I might've even considered it instead of the Palit 1060.
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  3. TehPenguin said:
    Yuka said:
    These two cards are the ones I'd like to see face each other in a "value" contest: G1 Gaming 1060[/ur] and Nitro+ RX480.

    Cheers!


    According to THIS
    The 4GB Nitro matches the 1060 reference but you can't overclock it any further. Seems a good price to performance. If the availability wasn't so bad I might've even considered it instead of the Palit 1060.


    Yeah, the 4GB looks very nice. I wish they used the same GDDR speed though. Seems stupid to me for AMD to make that segmentation. Specially when you can actually unlock some 4GB into 8GB ones, lol.

    Cheers!
    Reply to Yuka
  4. Yuka said:
    TehPenguin said:
    Yuka said:
    These two cards are the ones I'd like to see face each other in a "value" contest: G1 Gaming 1060[/ur] and Nitro+ RX480.

    Cheers!


    According to THIS
    The 4GB Nitro matches the 1060 reference but you can't overclock it any further. Seems a good price to performance. If the availability wasn't so bad I might've even considered it instead of the Palit 1060.


    Yeah, the 4GB looks very nice. I wish they used the same GDDR speed though. Seems stupid to me for AMD to make that segmentation. Specially when you can actually unlock some 4GB into 8GB ones, lol.

    Cheers!


    I think unlocking the memory is a thing of the past now. Don't think you'd need much faster memory at this point, though.
    Reply to TehPenguin
  5. TehPenguin said:
    I think unlocking the memory is a thing of the past now. Don't think you'd need much faster memory at this point, though.


    But mah free stuff! x_X

    Cheers! xP
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  6. renz496 said:
    cdrkf said:
    17seconds said:
    Polaris was intended to be a full generation of its own and compete on the high-end enthusiast segment. Problems with production quality and Nvidia's surprising performance led them to re-brand these as mid-range only cards.



    That road map doesn't state anything about market segment- and that argument doesn't hold water when you considder:

    AMD knew the specifications of the Polaris 10 gpu when they created it- and it is a less powerful gpu (by any measure) than their existing Hawaii and Fiji silicone.

    The argument 'they dropped it to mid range due to nVidia' is nonsense because the card is mid range against their own existing product stack.What you are describing is them creating a massive, high core count chip like Fiji, and marketing THAT as a 'x80' part due to a performance problem. That just isn't what happened here- Polaris 10 is a small, mid range part (it happens to be the exact same size as Pitcarin). There is no way ANYONE at AMD expected it to go in any higher of a market segment than it did based on those specifications. The only potential change nVidia might have forced is they dropped the price of it slightly- I'd have guessed they would have preferred to sell it at $250 instead of $200 for the base model.


    sometimes i was thinking AMD probably will not going to release anything faster than Fury X in 2016. this year AMD product stack probably like this:

    ultra high end: pro duo
    high end: Fury series
    midrange: polaris 10 (replacing hawaii)
    low end: polaris 11 (replacing all older GCN in this performance segment)

    right now we have no solid info on Vega. if AMD really banking on HBM2 for Vega we most likely won't see Vega this year.


    Yeah they've confirmed that Vega isn't this year (invariably due to HBM).

    What I am curious about is if the rumers are true that there are in fact 2 vega gpu's (I was expecting only one, as a direct replacement to Fiji). If there are two, that could be quite exciting as the *smaller* of the two is said to match the specifications of Fiji...
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  7. The 4gb nitro looks a great buy for UK members.
    £199 Preorder price , the cheapest mitx zotac mini 1060 is £240.
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  8. At this point I'm left thinking.... 'what were all those rumours about AIB cards hitting 1480 - 1600MHz about?'

    The review I saw at launch where a reference XFX RX 480 was clocked to 1380MHz seems to still be the highest boost clock of all so far (not including water cooled and ln2 efforts).

    Maybe in 12 months when the process has matured we'll see a few more cards hitting 1400MHz or above.

    For now it's safe to say the RX 480 is a pretty poor overclocker and it looks like custom cards are not going to offer a significant performance bump vs. an overclocked reference card.
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  9. Yuka said:
    TehPenguin said:
    Yuka said:
    These two cards are the ones I'd like to see face each other in a "value" contest: G1 Gaming 1060[/ur] and Nitro+ RX480.

    Cheers!


    According to THIS
    The 4GB Nitro matches the 1060 reference but you can't overclock it any further. Seems a good price to performance. If the availability wasn't so bad I might've even considered it instead of the Palit 1060.


    Yeah, the 4GB looks very nice. I wish they used the same GDDR speed though. Seems stupid to me for AMD to make that segmentation. Specially when you can actually unlock some 4GB into 8GB ones, lol.

    Cheers!


    i think AMD intend to use actual 7Gbps GDDR5 module for the later batch instead of limiting 8GBps into 7Gbps to reduce cost. but then again there is no stopping board partner to use 8Gbps GDDR5 on their custom 4GB model.
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  10. BurgerandChips66 said:
    At this point I'm left thinking.... 'what were all those rumours about AIB cards hitting 1480 - 1600MHz about?'


    hype?

    BurgerandChips66 said:


    Maybe in 12 months when the process has matured we'll see a few more cards hitting 1400MHz or above.



    maybe they can if they did some fine tuning like they did with Hawaii to Grenada transition. and it is possible by that time we see RX480 being rebrand into AMD next series.

    BurgerandChips66 said:


    For now it's safe to say the RX 480 is a pretty poor overclocker and it looks like custom cards are not going to offer a significant performance bump vs. an overclocked reference card.


    to me RX480 is not necessarily poor overclocker. it depends on how AMD want to clock their chip. did they want to be conservative about it (and leaving headroom for manual OC to tap to) or did they want to clock the chip as high as possible closer to it's limit? imagine if GTX1060 have stock clock of 1.9Ghz with boost clock up to 2.0Ghz. manual OC probably can only go up to 2.1Ghz. what do you say about it's overclocking potential?
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  11. My question is where will i be able to buy the RX480 Nitro+ 4gb? should i stick to trying to nab one on Amazon and Neweeg? something about that just screams to me that'll be sold out... any other main places that i should keep search tabs refreshing on?
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  12. I will most definitely be clicking "buy" whenever it appears online! The Nitro+ 4GB, that is.

    If I can't find it, I'll just toss a coin between the G1 Gaming 1060 and the Nitro+ 8GB.

    Cheers!
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  13. Yuka said:
    I will most definitely be clicking "buy" whenever it appears online! The Nitro+ 4GB, that is.

    If I can't find it, I'll just toss a coin between the G1 Gaming 1060 and the Nitro+ 8GB.

    Cheers!


    If you're in Europe the Overclockers UK have preorders available now and they're supposedly to ship on Tuesday.

    I just wish to see more benchmarks from some more serious sites for the Nitro+ 4G.
    Reply to TehPenguin
  14. I don't like pre-ordering... I have the belief if I spend the money on pre-order, I might miss on something in stock that wasn't said officially xD

    Cheers!
    Reply to Yuka
  15. Here's a review of the 4GB version of the Sapphire Nitro+ edition of the RX 480.

    http://www.pcworld.com/article/3098825/components-graphics/sapphire-nitro-rx-480-review-polaris-rethought-and-refined.html

    They got it to overclock to 1405Mhz.

    Hope to see the review of the 8GB version soon.

    Pre-orders for the 8GB version are about 300€ in my country.... I think I'll wait a few weeks and hope for a price drop as well as reviews of the other custom cards.
    Reply to BurgerandChips66
  16. There's a custom RX480 BIOS from a guy who OCd it to 1.7GHz with LN2

    http://overclocking.guide/download/amd-radeon-rx-480-unlocked-air-bios/

    Wonder what stable speeds people can achieve with air cooling with the custom bios.

    @Burger: I'd just get the 4GB version, TBH. 249€ seems like a good price and you don't need the 8GB vRAM for 1080p unless you want to CF.
    The only thing is availability. AMD is pullin an nVidia now with the custom 480's :lol:
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  17. Hopefully somewhere between 1400MHz to 1450MHz if they can manage 1405MHz without.

    I don't mind tinkering with custom bios roms either as I have done so in the past without bricking anything. Although in both cases they were Nvidia cards.

    Think I'll probably get a 4GB version. As you said, it's pretty well priced. Plus it's not for my main machine - I'll only be doing 1080p stuff on it.
    Reply to BurgerandChips66
  18. BurgerandChips66 said:
    Hopefully somewhere between 1400MHz to 1450MHz if they can manage 1405MHz without.

    I don't mind tinkering with custom bios roms either as I have done so in the past without bricking anything. Although in both cases they were Nvidia cards.

    Think I'll probably get a 4GB version. As you said, it's pretty well priced. Plus it's not for my main machine - I'll only be doing 1080p stuff on it.


    The Nitro has dual bios so you're safe either way.
    Reply to TehPenguin
  19. dual bios is nice so you can really get in there and tinker. if it won't run, then switch back to the other stock one and try again with different settings.

    i'm putting dual bios on top of my requirement list for my next build as i am gonna go stupid and want to play with custom bios settings myself.
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  20. Math Geek said:
    dual bios is nice so you can really get in there and tinker. if it won't run, then switch back to the other stock one and try again with different settings.

    i'm putting dual bios on top of my requirement list for my next build as i am gonna go stupid and want to play with custom bios settings myself.


    BIOS overclocking is worth it, but only if you have the time to.

    I did a bit of BIOS overclocking on my EVGA GTX 750 TI FTW card (since for some reason the max power target is only 100%). But it was really complicated, I had a guy on the EVGA forums help me and after about 2 weeks we got the max out of my GPU. But right now I'm running stock since my memory is Elpida memory (terrible quality), and I didn't want to break my 750 ti. (I'm still going to need it for my 4k TV upgrade.)
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  21. It will be interesting to see what can be done with bios mods to Polaris. I guess it is kind of like another level of 'free' OC performance IF that performance is there to be had.
    Also had my best results so far with a 750Ti. Got the MSI Twin Frozr to 1460MHz core and 3200MHz vram. Had okay results with a 980Ti, but not those sorts of % gains!

    I looked at modding the R9 380X but came to the conclusion there was nothing to be gained (Trixx already gave me all the additional voltage and TDP I needed to max out the clocks before I hit thermal limits).

    It might be different with Polaris and the custom RX 480's however....
    Reply to BurgerandChips66
  22. Found another review of the Nitro+ 4GB! Apparently the cooling solution ain't that great.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZW3XNjW5C-8

    Hope to see some more in depth reviews soon.
    Reply to TehPenguin
  23. https://youtu.be/jTFDJODCSCc

    Here is a review from OCUK.....

    At this stage, what else is there still to be released that might realistically eclipse this card? Possibly something from XFX?
    Reply to BurgerandChips66
  24. Yeah. I've seen the OCUK review but didn't think it's worth posting. Poorly done, imo.
    Reply to TehPenguin
  25. OK, I did it. I ordered the Nitro + 4gB. Should arrive on the 5th of August. Will report to you after the build is complete.
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  26. A new review for the Sapphire Nitro+ RX 480, both 4GB and 8GB models.

    https://www.computerbase.de/2016-07/sapphire-radeon-rx-480-nitro-oc-test/

    It's in german so here's a TL;DR by me:

    The 8gB is faster by 5-10% by default but loses the edge when both are overclocked (unless a game can utilize more vRAM[Black Ops III saw a 40% fps boost with 8gB vRAM, 77 vs 109 fps]).
    The 4gB also overclocks much better than the 8GB card(and they even out in performance when both manually OC'd).

    The cooling solution is good but not excellent. The card runs fairly hot(77°C average under load) with noise levels reaching 44dBA which, subjectively, isn't loud but nothing for the enthusiasts quiet pc. According to the reviewer the generated noise has a fairly low frequency which isn't as unpleasant as the higher pitched noise the reference model generates.
    You can increase the Temp Target for a noticeably quieter operation. This applies to both cards.
    Both cards have 0 fan mode.

    Both cards outperform the MSI GeForce GTX 1060 Gaming when overclocked(1060 stock). An imperceptible but measurable improvement.

    My personal opinion: the 4gB is the best value card so far. If you want 8gB I'd go for the Strix as it seems to sell for a round the same price but performs much cooler and quieter under load. There is no 4gB Strix.
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  27. Nice review, I really like how you can highlight the bars on the charts and it give you percentages based on what you are highlighting.
    Reply to Warmacblu
  28. yah they do nice reviews and i love how many cards they include. good source of info there.
    Reply to Math Geek
  29. It's sold directly through Amazon so you are safe either way.
    Reply to TehPenguin
  30. yay! now i just have to play the "how-long-does-it-take-for-preorders-to-come" game, and i can stop worrying about missing it :D
    Reply to ThrashDeathDoom
  31. A lot of people(comments on the review I posted)complain about the nitro card running too hot and how disappointing it supposedly is. What difference does it make when it can sustain an overclock?
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  32. so they disappointed about full load temp? or about the card in general?
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  33. Tbh if it's as good as the reference card I'll be completely satisfied so anything above that is just pure bonus. I'm jumping from a HD 7870 ghz and the most demanding game I play for hours on end is Witcher 3, and even with only 2gb VRAM on a 4 year old card I run very high preset at 40 fps average. So I'm pretty sure the 480 nitro will be leaps and bounds better than the 7870 which imo is a great card so I have nothing to worry about for another 3 or 4 years
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  34. renz496 said:
    so they disappointed about full load temp? or about the card in general?


    People say the Nitro disappointed them completely. They say all kinds of things, really. Hard to keep up. Most of the complaints are ridiculous, IMO. Don't know what they expected, though. People thought the Nitro would make the Polaris chip somehow more efficient.

    @Thrash: You can max out Witcher 3 at around 50fps with the Nitro so no worries there.
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  35. Well at the moment there is still no availability in my country (France) for the Sapphire Nitro RX 480. I have seen a pre-order here for 309€. I can buy from the UK but after the exchange rate (from my bank) plus postage to France, it works out even more expensive at about 325€.

    But now I see the Sapphire Nitro R9 Fury on sale (new) for 329€. I'm not bothered about the additional power consumed by the card etc... so now I'm thinking I might as well get that instead. Plus I can have it tomorrow. Pretty sure it is faster than the RX 480 ;)
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  36. €309 for the 4gB?! That's a lot. I got mine for €249. Should arrive next week Friday. Overclockers UK have a preorder for 199(~€240) for the 4gB.

    R9 Fury is a bit faster but if you limit yourself to 4gB I'd go for the rx480 or the 1060 for around €300.
    Reply to TehPenguin
  37. My mistake, I was looking at the 8GB versions of the RX 480! That's what happens when you check prices online at 2.30am when you ought to be asleep...
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  38. BurgerandChips66 said:
    That's what happens when you do anything at 2.30am when you ought to be asleep...
    FTFY

    I can totally understand though. :-)
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  39. TehPenguin said:
    renz496 said:
    so they disappointed about full load temp? or about the card in general?


    People say the Nitro disappointed them completely. They say all kinds of things, really. Hard to keep up. Most of the complaints are ridiculous, IMO. Don't know what they expected, though. People thought the Nitro would make the Polaris chip somehow more efficient.

    @Thrash: You can max out Witcher 3 at around 50fps with the Nitro so no worries there.


    some people simply have unrealistic expectation from AMD card. and RX480 is not the first. i think many probably hoping AIB RX480 to hit 1400mhz at factory setting and with manual OC they can reach 1450mhz or even 1500mhz.
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  40. saw a strix 8gb review that was just as disappointing. though it stayed a good 10 degrees cooler than the nitro it was a lot louder than we are used to from strix models. it did oc to 1400 mhz though but showed little performance gain from it just like the pascal cards.
    Reply to Math Geek
  41. renz496 said:
    TehPenguin said:
    renz496 said:
    so they disappointed about full load temp? or about the card in general?


    People say the Nitro disappointed them completely. They say all kinds of things, really. Hard to keep up. Most of the complaints are ridiculous, IMO. Don't know what they expected, though. People thought the Nitro would make the Polaris chip somehow more efficient.

    @Thrash: You can max out Witcher 3 at around 50fps with the Nitro so no worries there.


    some people simply have unrealistic expectation from AMD card. and RX480 is not the first. i think many probably hoping AIB RX480 to hit 1400mhz at factory setting and with manual OC they can reach 1450mhz or even 1500mhz.

    Thats because the card can but AMD's OC tool doesn't increase voltage beyond 1.15 VDDC. It takes either the mode ASUS bios or a vrmtool.
    http://www.overclock.net/t/1605757/vrmtool-a-simple-tool-to-read-and-write-to-i2c-vrm-controllers

    Once the voltage is pushed beyond AMD's top setting you may see between 1.5~1.6Ghz.
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  42. 1.4GHz was achievable with all the 4GB models I saw out there. W/O touching the vBIOS even.
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  43. I posted a link earlier in this thread where a reviewer got a stable 1405MHz OC using a stock bios.rom

    This link is for a bios.rom unlocking to 1.4 V http://overclocking.guide/download/amd-radeon-rx-480-unlocked-air-bios/

    The settings in the rom file should allow most users to hit up to 1450MHz. Apparently you'll need to be a silicon lottery winner to get much above that - without tweaking things beyond reasonable voltages

    Obviously if you happen to have a very good cooler then you increase your chances as well.

    I'd like to see real game benchmarks at 1450Mhz to see if it's even worth it.

    But here's hoping anyway. I think I'll not get that R9 Fury now and wait on an RX 480 instead!
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  44. elbert said:
    renz496 said:
    TehPenguin said:
    renz496 said:
    so they disappointed about full load temp? or about the card in general?


    People say the Nitro disappointed them completely. They say all kinds of things, really. Hard to keep up. Most of the complaints are ridiculous, IMO. Don't know what they expected, though. People thought the Nitro would make the Polaris chip somehow more efficient.

    @Thrash: You can max out Witcher 3 at around 50fps with the Nitro so no worries there.


    some people simply have unrealistic expectation from AMD card. and RX480 is not the first. i think many probably hoping AIB RX480 to hit 1400mhz at factory setting and with manual OC they can reach 1450mhz or even 1500mhz.

    Thats because the card can but AMD's OC tool doesn't increase voltage beyond 1.15 VDDC. It takes either the mode ASUS bios or a vrmtool.
    http://www.overclock.net/t/1605757/vrmtool-a-simple-tool-to-read-and-write-to-i2c-vrm-controllers

    Once the voltage is pushed beyond AMD's top setting you may see between 1.5~1.6Ghz.



    is that clock stable to run actual games or just for bench? we see record being made on LN2 but it doesn't mean we can run that clock on daily basis. also it is possible AMD limiting the voltage for the same reason as nvidia did since kepler; too much voltage will shorten the silicon life and AMD probably don't want to deal with people asking for warranty because the card being OCed to the extreme.
    Reply to renz496
  45. That power draw figure... crikey.
    Reply to Sakkura
  46. renz496 said:
    elbert said:
    renz496 said:
    TehPenguin said:
    renz496 said:
    so they disappointed about full load temp? or about the card in general?


    People say the Nitro disappointed them completely. They say all kinds of things, really. Hard to keep up. Most of the complaints are ridiculous, IMO. Don't know what they expected, though. People thought the Nitro would make the Polaris chip somehow more efficient.

    @Thrash: You can max out Witcher 3 at around 50fps with the Nitro so no worries there.


    some people simply have unrealistic expectation from AMD card. and RX480 is not the first. i think many probably hoping AIB RX480 to hit 1400mhz at factory setting and with manual OC they can reach 1450mhz or even 1500mhz.

    Thats because the card can but AMD's OC tool doesn't increase voltage beyond 1.15 VDDC. It takes either the mode ASUS bios or a vrmtool.
    http://www.overclock.net/t/1605757/vrmtool-a-simple-tool-to-read-and-write-to-i2c-vrm-controllers

    Once the voltage is pushed beyond AMD's top setting you may see between 1.5~1.6Ghz.



    is that clock stable to run actual games or just for bench? we see record being made on LN2 but it doesn't mean we can run that clock on daily basis. also it is possible AMD limiting the voltage for the same reason as nvidia did since kepler; too much voltage will shorten the silicon life and AMD probably don't want to deal with people asking for warranty because the card being OCed to the extreme.


    If it can take firestrike bench it should handle 95% of all games stable at the very least. Here is the facts on AIB cards.
    Quote:
    Kyle Bennet :
    AIB partners are reporting to me this morning that with extremely good custom air coolers the 480 GPUs are seeing from 1480MHz to 1600MHz clocks, but tell me it is a “lottery draw” on GPUs.

    Read more: http://wccftech.com/amd-rx-480-asus-strix-msi-gaming/#ixzz4Fd4LnUsE
    Reply to elbert
  47. Never trust BBQWCCFTech. The only 480 that reached 1.6GHz, so far, was cooled with LN2. Dunno how custom a 480 has to be to get much higher clocks on air and if the price for such card is even worth mentioning.
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