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I have a couple of laptops
and want to upgrade from the 30GB disk to a 60GB disk.
Currently running Winx/XP with the disk formatted as NTFS.

What are the least involved steps to clone the disk to the 60GB ?
I've used older copies of Partition Magic, Drive Copy, and Ghost,
but not sure about the logistics involved for copying a laptop.
I would like to use an external USB case for the 2nd drive,
but have not acquired one as yet.... some specs said they didn't support
over 40GB.

We have a Dell C610 laptop to clone - also have Toshiba and Thinkpad -
but just for the Dell, I bought the swappable modular bay to support the 2nd
disk
and was thinking I could use something like Partition Magic or Drive Copy.
Not sure about the other laptops and getting a USB case for the upgrade.

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Acronis TrueImage is perfect for this - a doddle
http://www.acronis.com/homecomputi [...] trueimage/

Guy

"Phil Schuman" <pschuman_nospam_me@interserv.com> wrote in message
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>I have a couple of laptops
> and want to upgrade from the 30GB disk to a 60GB disk.
> Currently running Winx/XP with the disk formatted as NTFS.
>
> What are the least involved steps to clone the disk to the 60GB ?
> I've used older copies of Partition Magic, Drive Copy, and Ghost,
> but not sure about the logistics involved for copying a laptop.
> I would like to use an external USB case for the 2nd drive,
> but have not acquired one as yet.... some specs said they didn't support
> over 40GB.
>
> We have a Dell C610 laptop to clone - also have Toshiba and Thinkpad -
> but just for the Dell, I bought the swappable modular bay to support the
> 2nd
> disk
> and was thinking I could use something like Partition Magic or Drive Copy.
> Not sure about the other laptops and getting a USB case for the upgrade.
>
>
>

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Bigguy wrote:
> Acronis TrueImage is perfect for this - a doddle
> http://www.acronis.com/homecomputi [...] trueimage/

I completely agree with you, Bigguy!
Personally I use it, so I want to tell you my conclusion based on my
own experience that it's really convenient and easy to use program with
a lot of useful features. It has great intuitive Windows wizard, that
makes utilization more pleasant.
I just love this program, as it saved me hundred times. Now, I couldn't
even imagine my life without it.
My best recommendations are with this software. IMHO

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In comp.sys.laptops Bigguy <gtittley@remove.hotmail.com> wrote:
: Acronis TrueImage is perfect for this - a doddle
: http://www.acronis.com/homecomputi [...] trueimage/

Another vote for Acronis True Image to upgrade your disks (with
cloning or imaging). I got it on sale several months back for about
$35 at NewEgg.com.

You could use a USB enclosure, put your new hard drive in that, make
it temporarily an external hard drive, clone the old drive to the new,
then swap the drives. Either get a 2.5" enclosure for laptop drives
or a 3.5" enclosure for desktop drives and get a 40 pin to 44 pin
adaptor to use a laptop drive in a desktop IDE device. Get two of
those adaptors and you could do the cloning on a desktop machine
without an enclosure.

Andrew

: "Phil Schuman" <pschuman_nospam_me@interserv.com> wrote in message
: news:MNdOe.510$L77.214@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...
: >I have a couple of laptops
: > and want to upgrade from the 30GB disk to a 60GB disk.
: > Currently running Winx/XP with the disk formatted as NTFS.
: >
: > What are the least involved steps to clone the disk to the 60GB ?
: > I've used older copies of Partition Magic, Drive Copy, and Ghost,
: > but not sure about the logistics involved for copying a laptop.
: > I would like to use an external USB case for the 2nd drive,
: > but have not acquired one as yet.... some specs said they didn't support
: > over 40GB.
: >
: > We have a Dell C610 laptop to clone - also have Toshiba and Thinkpad -
: > but just for the Dell, I bought the swappable modular bay to support the
: > 2nd
: > disk
: > and was thinking I could use something like Partition Magic or Drive Copy.
: > Not sure about the other laptops and getting a USB case for the upgrade.
: >
: >
: >



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Andrew wrote:

> In comp.sys.laptops Bigguy <gtittley@remove.hotmail.com> wrote:
> : Acronis TrueImage is perfect for this - a doddle
> : http://www.acronis.com/homecomputi [...] trueimage/
>
> Another vote for Acronis True Image to upgrade your disks (with
> cloning or imaging). I got it on sale several months back for about
> $35 at NewEgg.com.
>
> You could use a USB enclosure, put your new hard drive in that, make
> it temporarily an external hard drive, clone the old drive to the new,
> then swap the drives. Either get a 2.5" enclosure for laptop drives
> or a 3.5" enclosure for desktop drives and get a 40 pin to 44 pin
> adaptor to use a laptop drive in a desktop IDE device. Get two of
> those adaptors and you could do the cloning on a desktop machine
> without an enclosure.
>
> Andrew
>
> : "Phil Schuman" <pschuman_nospam_me@interserv.com> wrote in message
> : news:MNdOe.510$L77.214@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...
> : >I have a couple of laptops
> : > and want to upgrade from the 30GB disk to a 60GB disk.
> : > Currently running Winx/XP with the disk formatted as NTFS.
> : >
> : > What are the least involved steps to clone the disk to the 60GB ?
> : > I've used older copies of Partition Magic, Drive Copy, and Ghost,
> : > but not sure about the logistics involved for copying a laptop.
> : > I would like to use an external USB case for the 2nd drive,
> : > but have not acquired one as yet.... some specs said they didn't support
> : > over 40GB.
> : >
> : > We have a Dell C610 laptop to clone - also have Toshiba and Thinkpad -
> : > but just for the Dell, I bought the swappable modular bay to support the
> : > 2nd
> : > disk
> : > and was thinking I could use something like Partition Magic or Drive Copy.
> : > Not sure about the other laptops and getting a USB case for the upgrade.
> : >
> : >
> : >
>
>
>
I agree that True Image is a good tool to do this. Still, I must say
that, although I am an experienced users, I ended up a few days ago
restoring a backup drive instead a cloning my main drive to the backup
drive. Of course, I cannot rule out a gross mistake on my part in
selecting the disks but actually, I believe something else happened. The
only thing I did differently from usual is, in Select Data Moving
Method, I chose Proportional (which I had never done before) instead of
Manual.

Until I can experiment without endangering my system, I am back to the
Manual method. I would really like to go to the bottom of this and
convince myself I made a mistake. But the fact that my Backup Drive is a
Firewire which is not recognized on my machine upon Boot-up, meaning I
must disconnect it when Windows closes and reconnect it while it reboots
might have been a factor.

I strongly recommend to triple check what you are doing since the
consequences of such incident can be desastrous (not in mine, my backup
was fairly recent).

--
John Doue

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"Bigguy" <gtittley@remove.hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Acronis TrueImage is perfect for this - a doddle
> http://www.acronis.com/homecomputi [...] trueimage/
>
thanks -
just downloaded the manual and was reading thru it -
Wonder how Acronis TrueImage compares to Ghost and the other products -

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In comp.sys.laptops Phil Schuman <pschuman_NO_SPAM_ME@interserv.com> wrote:

: "Bigguy" <gtittley@remove.hotmail.com> wrote in message
: news:3mtqq6F18qa9nU1@individual.net...
: > Acronis TrueImage is perfect for this - a doddle
: > http://www.acronis.com/homecomputi [...] trueimage/
: >
: thanks -
: just downloaded the manual and was reading thru it -
: Wonder how Acronis TrueImage compares to Ghost and the other products -

Here's one comparison of sorts:

http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/art [...] 961,00.asp

I have never used Ghost, but to hear that some people think True Image
is better at a lower price was enough to sell me and I've never
regretted it. Great software. Although I have used it dozens of
times just to backup and clone disks, I did have to use it for real
when my hard drive crashed a couple of weeks back. Worked absolutely
perfectly - I was amazed that I could boot from the new hard drive
after restoring the backup image to it without doing anything.

Andrew
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----> To Email me remove "MYSHOES" from email address
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In comp.sys.laptops John Doue <notwobe@yahoo.com> wrote:
: I agree that True Image is a good tool to do this. Still, I must say
: that, although I am an experienced users, I ended up a few days ago
: restoring a backup drive instead a cloning my main drive to the backup
: drive. Of course, I cannot rule out a gross mistake on my part in
: selecting the disks but actually, I believe something else happened. The
: only thing I did differently from usual is, in Select Data Moving
: Method, I chose Proportional (which I had never done before) instead of
: Manual.

I have cloned drives a few times successfully with True Image. I
think I once had a problem trying to backup an image on an old Win98
machine but on newer machines no issues. At least True Image works on
Win98/ME and not just 2000/XP, because I have needed to use it on
older systems a few times in the last several months.

Perhaps you should have tried a different method besides proportional?
Restoring an image would have just given you the same partition size
as before so wouldn't it have been worth a try to clone that way?

: Until I can experiment without endangering my system, I am back to the
: Manual method. I would really like to go to the bottom of this and
: convince myself I made a mistake. But the fact that my Backup Drive is a
: Firewire which is not recognized on my machine upon Boot-up, meaning I
: must disconnect it when Windows closes and reconnect it while it reboots
: might have been a factor.

You mean the True Image rescue CD doesn't recognize your Firewire
device upon bootup? Have you obtained the latest builds from Acronis?
Did you visit the Acronis forums and see if there are any known fixes
for this issue?

I've been impressed with its support for such devices as my USB 2.0 PC
Card add-on for my laptop so I could restore images from an external
hard drive.

: I strongly recommend to triple check what you are doing since the
: consequences of such incident can be desastrous (not in mine, my backup
: was fairly recent).

It's fairly easy to boot up from the rescue CD and begin the process
of restoring an image without actually doing it just to make sure all
your hardware is recognized and such.

Andrew
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I absolutely agree with you that True Image is wonderful and easy. I
have used it several time but never needed to in anger. Another
posting asks about a comparison with Ghost. Ghost is a bloody demon
to use. It didn't agree with its manual. Support was useless.
Acronis always reply to a request. The command line in Ghost 2001
didn't work only the "GUI", and it didn't work with XP. And yes, True
Image is cheaper and more reliable.

I was intrigued by your other point. I don't know what you mean by
enclosure. I gather that a cable could be run from a laptop internal
drive to the mobo IDE socket on a desktop. Is that right?

If not could you please explain.

Would it need special software?

Colin

On 22 Aug 2005 15:43:09 GMT, usenetMYSHOES@bizaveMYSHOES.com (Andrew)
wrote:

>In comp.sys.laptops Bigguy <gtittley@remove.hotmail.com> wrote:
>: Acronis TrueImage is perfect for this - a doddle
>: http://www.acronis.com/homecomputi [...] trueimage/
>
>Another vote for Acronis True Image to upgrade your disks (with
>cloning or imaging). I got it on sale several months back for about
>$35 at NewEgg.com.
>
>You could use a USB enclosure, put your new hard drive in that, make
>it temporarily an external hard drive, clone the old drive to the new,
>then swap the drives. Either get a 2.5" enclosure for laptop drives
>or a 3.5" enclosure for desktop drives and get a 40 pin to 44 pin
>adaptor to use a laptop drive in a desktop IDE device. Get two of
>those adaptors and you could do the cloning on a desktop machine
>without an enclosure.
>
>Andrew
>
>: "Phil Schuman" <pschuman_nospam_me@interserv.com> wrote in message
>: news:MNdOe.510$L77.214@newssvr19.news.prodigy.com...
>: >I have a couple of laptops
>: > and want to upgrade from the 30GB disk to a 60GB disk.
>: > Currently running Winx/XP with the disk formatted as NTFS.
>: >
>: > What are the least involved steps to clone the disk to the 60GB ?
>: > I've used older copies of Partition Magic, Drive Copy, and Ghost,
>: > but not sure about the logistics involved for copying a laptop.
>: > I would like to use an external USB case for the 2nd drive,
>: > but have not acquired one as yet.... some specs said they didn't support
>: > over 40GB.
>: >
>: > We have a Dell C610 laptop to clone - also have Toshiba and Thinkpad -
>: > but just for the Dell, I bought the swappable modular bay to support the
>: > 2nd
>: > disk
>: > and was thinking I could use something like Partition Magic or Drive Copy.
>: > Not sure about the other laptops and getting a USB case for the upgrade.
>: >
>: >
>: >
>
>
>
>--
>
>Andrew

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"Andrew" <usenetMYSHOES@bizaveMYSHOES.com> wrote in message
news:cuaccrkr6323246811@bizaveMYSHOES.com...
> In comp.sys.laptops Phil Schuman <pschuman_NO_SPAM_ME@interserv.com>
wrote:
>
> : "Bigguy" <gtittley@remove.hotmail.com> wrote in message
> : news:3mtqq6F18qa9nU1@individual.net...
> : > Acronis TrueImage is perfect for this - a doddle
> : > http://www.acronis.com/homecomputi [...] trueimage/
> : >
> : thanks -
> : just downloaded the manual and was reading thru it -
> : Wonder how Acronis TrueImage compares to Ghost and the other
products -
>
> Here's one comparison of sorts:
>
> http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/art [...] 961,00.asp
>
> I have never used Ghost, but to hear that some people think True Image
> is better at a lower price was enough to sell me and I've never
> regretted it. Great software. Although I have used it dozens of
> times just to backup and clone disks, I did have to use it for real
> when my hard drive crashed a couple of weeks back. Worked absolutely
> perfectly - I was amazed that I could boot from the new hard drive
> after restoring the backup image to it without doing anything.
>
> Andrew
> --
Just a followup on my Dell C610 hard disk upgrades...we have a couple to
swap.
Thanks for the suggestion of Acronis True Image 8.0
Ran over to a local area Fry's and purchased for $49
I also had picked up a Dell swappable modular bay to hold a 2.5" disk
instead of the external USB case.

Installed the new 60GB disk in the Dell modular bay for the Dell C610
laptop.
Installed the True Image 8.0 software on XP.
Ran the software.... the Clone wizard asked a few basic questions
(really just which drive is the source, and which is the
destination)
then it re-booted to run the native program.... which it did
and then I had a new 60GB disk copied from the existing 30GB disk.
I then pulled the disk from the Dell swappable modular bay case,
and pulled the internal disk from the side mounted carrier - and swapped
them -
Booted - all is well -
THANKS -