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This DELL XPS where I've been trying to re-load the OP system

is a nightmare, no matter what I try it just won't go.

I've done everything you good folks advised and its just no good

Lastly after what I read on this NG be sure when it comes time to

buy a new PC it won't be DELL.

Thanks for you help

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Don't base your opinion on the troubles you encountered with essentially an old
throwaway computer. It came into your possession for some good reason, and that
reason was not to make you tear out your hair.

Unless you are downright lucky or unless you are an experienced computer tech,
getting an older surplus computer up and running smoothly can be a challenge, no
matter what brand it is... Ben Myers

On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 16:58:37 -0400, Vince <holvbphoto@optonline.net> wrote:

>This DELL XPS where I've been trying to re-load the OP system
>
>is a nightmare, no matter what I try it just won't go.
>
>I've done everything you good folks advised and its just no good
>
>Lastly after what I read on this NG be sure when it comes time to
>
>buy a new PC it won't be DELL.
>
>Thanks for you help

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"Vince" <holvbphoto@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:HfaIe.9193$_R1.197@fe11.lga...
> This DELL XPS where I've been trying to re-load the OP system
>
> is a nightmare, no matter what I try it just won't go.
>
> I've done everything you good folks advised and its just no good
>
> Lastly after what I read on this NG be sure when it comes time to
>
> buy a new PC it won't be DELL.
>
> Thanks for you help


You're welcome. As a last resort you could've merely unplugged the SATA2
drive and just installed on the remaining hard disk by booting from the CD.

Sorry you didn't get a solution here that worked for you.


Stew

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done everything but tell us the details... the suggestions you received in
your previous thread (called "ready to go nuts," where this comment really
belongs since we are not mind readers) were based on the limited information
that you provided. ask a precise question get a precise answer... if you
care to detail what you have done, what drives are in the system, what size
they are, what controller they are connected to, what type of ide cable was
used for the hard disk, what bios revisions, if you are booting the new os
from the floppy or cd, what the results of running dell diagnostics were,
etc... then perhaps we can provide some meaningful pointers. if it wasn't
the ram, the my next guess would be that you are using a relatively new hard
drive with a relatively old ide cable.

ps. i find it very amusing that this experience is going to make you more
discerning regarding the next computer that you pick out of the trash.

"Vince" <holvbphoto@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:HfaIe.9193$_R1.197@fe11.lga...
> This DELL XPS where I've been trying to re-load the OP system
>
> is a nightmare, no matter what I try it just won't go.
>
> I've done everything you good folks advised and its just no good
>
> Lastly after what I read on this NG be sure when it comes time to
>
> buy a new PC it won't be DELL.
>
> Thanks for you help

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Ben Myers wrote:
> Don't base your opinion on the troubles you encountered with essentially an old
> throwaway computer. It came into your possession for some good reason, and that
> reason was not to make you tear out your hair.
>
> Unless you are downright lucky or unless you are an experienced computer tech,
> getting an older surplus computer up and running smoothly can be a challenge, no
> matter what brand it is... Ben Myers
>
> On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 16:58:37 -0400, Vince <holvbphoto@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>
>>This DELL XPS where I've been trying to re-load the OP system
>>
>>is a nightmare, no matter what I try it just won't go.
>>
>>I've done everything you good folks advised and its just no good
>>
>>Lastly after what I read on this NG be sure when it comes time to
>>
>>buy a new PC it won't be DELL.
>>
>>Thanks for you help
>
>
DellBot ALERT!!!

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Actually, I answered the question and explained how to do it. He never
responded to whether that worked.

The underlying problem is he's trying to use old technology IDE drives in a
new technology SATA based system. It would work the way I suggested, but
I'd bet $10 he never actually tried it.

It will work.

Period.

Tom
"Christopher Muto" <muto@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:zfdIe.17835$QX2.11961@trndny01...
> done everything but tell us the details... the suggestions you received
> in your previous thread (called "ready to go nuts," where this comment
> really belongs since we are not mind readers) were based on the limited
> information that you provided. ask a precise question get a precise
> answer... if you care to detail what you have done, what drives are in
> the system, what size they are, what controller they are connected to,
> what type of ide cable was used for the hard disk, what bios revisions, if
> you are booting the new os from the floppy or cd, what the results of
> running dell diagnostics were, etc... then perhaps we can provide some
> meaningful pointers. if it wasn't the ram, the my next guess would be
> that you are using a relatively new hard drive with a relatively old ide
> cable.
>
> ps. i find it very amusing that this experience is going to make you more
> discerning regarding the next computer that you pick out of the trash.
>
> "Vince" <holvbphoto@optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:HfaIe.9193$_R1.197@fe11.lga...
>> This DELL XPS where I've been trying to re-load the OP system
>>
>> is a nightmare, no matter what I try it just won't go.
>>
>> I've done everything you good folks advised and its just no good
>>
>> Lastly after what I read on this NG be sure when it comes time to
>>
>> buy a new PC it won't be DELL.
>>
>> Thanks for you help
>
>

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Excuse me? Ben is absolutely right, particularly since in the 'real
thread', I answered the question and my solution would work if he tried it.

Too lazy perhaps? Now he's just whining and started a new thread in hopes
we would all forget the problem was SOLVED with the right answer.

Tom
"administrator" <quemandd@msn.com> wrote in message
news:9UdIe.3398$c45.875@fe05.lga...
> Ben Myers wrote:
>> Don't base your opinion on the troubles you encountered with essentially
>> an old
>> throwaway computer. It came into your possession for some good reason,
>> and that
>> reason was not to make you tear out your hair.
>>
>> Unless you are downright lucky or unless you are an experienced computer
>> tech,
>> getting an older surplus computer up and running smoothly can be a
>> challenge, no
>> matter what brand it is... Ben Myers
>>
>> On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 16:58:37 -0400, Vince <holvbphoto@optonline.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>This DELL XPS where I've been trying to re-load the OP system
>>>
>>>is a nightmare, no matter what I try it just won't go.
>>>
>>>I've done everything you good folks advised and its just no good
>>>
>>>Lastly after what I read on this NG be sure when it comes time to
>>>
>>>buy a new PC it won't be DELL.
>>>
>>>Thanks for you help
>>
>>
> DellBot ALERT!!!

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Stuff it! ... Ben

On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 21:08:36 -0400, administrator <quemandd@msn.com> wrote:

>Ben Myers wrote:
>> Don't base your opinion on the troubles you encountered with essentially an old
>> throwaway computer. It came into your possession for some good reason, and that
>> reason was not to make you tear out your hair.
>>
>> Unless you are downright lucky or unless you are an experienced computer tech,
>> getting an older surplus computer up and running smoothly can be a challenge, no
>> matter what brand it is... Ben Myers
>>
>> On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 16:58:37 -0400, Vince <holvbphoto@optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>This DELL XPS where I've been trying to re-load the OP system
>>>
>>>is a nightmare, no matter what I try it just won't go.
>>>
>>>I've done everything you good folks advised and its just no good
>>>
>>>Lastly after what I read on this NG be sure when it comes time to
>>>
>>>buy a new PC it won't be DELL.
>>>
>>>Thanks for you help
>>
>>
>DellBot ALERT!!!

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Hmm, not sure about that. Vince's original posting referred to an XPS 266 or
something similar. A little old to have built-in SATA. Maybe he tried an
add-in SATA card? I dunno. I am just as muddled about what he was trying to
do, because his postings were hard to comprehend... Ben Myers

On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 01:40:06 GMT, "Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> wrote:

>Actually, I answered the question and explained how to do it. He never
>responded to whether that worked.
>
>The underlying problem is he's trying to use old technology IDE drives in a
>new technology SATA based system. It would work the way I suggested, but
>I'd bet $10 he never actually tried it.
>
>It will work.
>
>Period.
>
>Tom
>"Christopher Muto" <muto@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>news:zfdIe.17835$QX2.11961@trndny01...
>> done everything but tell us the details... the suggestions you received
>> in your previous thread (called "ready to go nuts," where this comment
>> really belongs since we are not mind readers) were based on the limited
>> information that you provided. ask a precise question get a precise
>> answer... if you care to detail what you have done, what drives are in
>> the system, what size they are, what controller they are connected to,
>> what type of ide cable was used for the hard disk, what bios revisions, if
>> you are booting the new os from the floppy or cd, what the results of
>> running dell diagnostics were, etc... then perhaps we can provide some
>> meaningful pointers. if it wasn't the ram, the my next guess would be
>> that you are using a relatively new hard drive with a relatively old ide
>> cable.
>>
>> ps. i find it very amusing that this experience is going to make you more
>> discerning regarding the next computer that you pick out of the trash.
>>
>> "Vince" <holvbphoto@optonline.net> wrote in message
>> news:HfaIe.9193$_R1.197@fe11.lga...
>>> This DELL XPS where I've been trying to re-load the OP system
>>>
>>> is a nightmare, no matter what I try it just won't go.
>>>
>>> I've done everything you good folks advised and its just no good
>>>
>>> Lastly after what I read on this NG be sure when it comes time to
>>>
>>> buy a new PC it won't be DELL.
>>>
>>> Thanks for you help
>>
>>
>
>

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Ben Myers wrote:
> Don't base your opinion on the troubles you encountered with essentially an old
> throwaway computer. It came into your possession for some good reason, and that
> reason was not to make you tear out your hair.
>
> Unless you are downright lucky or unless you are an experienced computer tech,
> getting an older surplus computer up and running smoothly can be a challenge, no
> matter what brand it is... Ben Myers
>


That may be true but I've done this a number of time before with no
problems.

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S.Lewis wrote:

> "Vince" <holvbphoto@optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:HfaIe.9193$_R1.197@fe11.lga...
>
>>This DELL XPS where I've been trying to re-load the OP system
>>
>>is a nightmare, no matter what I try it just won't go.
>>
>>I've done everything you good folks advised and its just no good
>>
>>Lastly after what I read on this NG be sure when it comes time to
>>
>>buy a new PC it won't be DELL.
>>
>>Thanks for you help
>
>
>
> You're welcome. As a last resort you could've merely unplugged the SATA2
> drive and just installed on the remaining hard disk by booting from the CD.
>
> Sorry you didn't get a solution here that worked for you.
>
>
> Stew
>
>
WHAT SATA2 drive?

This is an old system with only IDE disk(s)

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Christopher Muto wrote:

> done everything but tell us the details... the suggestions you received in
> your previous thread (called "ready to go nuts," where this comment really
> belongs since we are not mind readers) were based on the limited information
> that you provided. ask a precise question get a precise answer... if you
> care to detail what you have done, what drives are in the system, what size
> they are, what controller they are connected to, what type of ide cable was
> used for the hard disk, what bios revisions, if you are booting the new os
> from the floppy or cd, what the results of running dell diagnostics were,
> etc... then perhaps we can provide some meaningful pointers. if it wasn't
> the ram, the my next guess would be that you are using a relatively new hard
> drive with a relatively old ide cable.
>
> ps. i find it very amusing that this experience is going to make you more
> discerning regarding the next computer that you pick out of the trash.
>
> "Vince" <holvbphoto@optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:HfaIe.9193$_R1.197@fe11.lga...
>
>>This DELL XPS where I've been trying to re-load the OP system
>>
>>is a nightmare, no matter what I try it just won't go.
>>
>>I've done everything you good folks advised and its just no good
>>
>>Lastly after what I read on this NG be sure when it comes time to
>>
>>buy a new PC it won't be DELL.
>>
>>Thanks for you help
>
>
>
WHEW!

The problem looked more like a software one.

i.e. when I try to used the WIN98 3 1/2 it ask if I want to used the CD
or not, I reply #1, get two messages and then she dies.

When I try to use MADBOOT with the full 98SE CD, it saids it can't find
the SETUP file, then when I used the 98 upgrade today it got as far as
asking for the product key and then told me I had no right to use same
asking for the full version.

As I stated in my first posting this is not my first time, re-loading an
OP system.

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Tom Scales wrote:

> Actually, I answered the question and explained how to do it. He never
> responded to whether that worked.
>
> The underlying problem is he's trying to use old technology IDE drives in a
> new technology SATA based system. It would work the way I suggested, but
> I'd bet $10 he never actually tried it.
>
> It will work.
>
> Period.
>
> Tom
> "Christopher Muto" <muto@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:zfdIe.17835$QX2.11961@trndny01...
>
>>done everything but tell us the details... the suggestions you received
>>in your previous thread (called "ready to go nuts," where this comment
>>really belongs since we are not mind readers) were based on the limited
>>information that you provided. ask a precise question get a precise
>>answer... if you care to detail what you have done, what drives are in
>>the system, what size they are, what controller they are connected to,
>>what type of ide cable was used for the hard disk, what bios revisions, if
>>you are booting the new os from the floppy or cd, what the results of
>>running dell diagnostics were, etc... then perhaps we can provide some
>>meaningful pointers. if it wasn't the ram, the my next guess would be
>>that you are using a relatively new hard drive with a relatively old ide
>>cable.
>>
>>ps. i find it very amusing that this experience is going to make you more
>>discerning regarding the next computer that you pick out of the trash.
>>
>>"Vince" <holvbphoto@optonline.net> wrote in message
>>news:HfaIe.9193$_R1.197@fe11.lga...
>>
>>>This DELL XPS where I've been trying to re-load the OP system
>>>
>>>is a nightmare, no matter what I try it just won't go.
>>>
>>>I've done everything you good folks advised and its just no good
>>>
>>>Lastly after what I read on this NG be sure when it comes time to
>>>
>>>buy a new PC it won't be DELL.
>>>
>>>Thanks for you help
>>
>>
>
>
HELLO friend this is an old system, with no SATA drive cables.

Unless I'm missing something.

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Tom Scales wrote:

> Excuse me? Ben is absolutely right, particularly since in the 'real
> thread', I answered the question and my solution would work if he tried it.
>
> Too lazy perhaps? Now he's just whining and started a new thread in hopes
> we would all forget the problem was SOLVED with the right answer.
>
> Tom
> "administrator" <quemandd@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:9UdIe.3398$c45.875@fe05.lga...
>
>>Ben Myers wrote:
>>
>>>Don't base your opinion on the troubles you encountered with essentially
>>>an old
>>>throwaway computer. It came into your possession for some good reason,
>>>and that
>>>reason was not to make you tear out your hair.
>>>
>>>Unless you are downright lucky or unless you are an experienced computer
>>>tech,
>>>getting an older surplus computer up and running smoothly can be a
>>>challenge, no
>>>matter what brand it is... Ben Myers
>>>
>>>On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 16:58:37 -0400, Vince <holvbphoto@optonline.net>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>This DELL XPS where I've been trying to re-load the OP system
>>>>
>>>>is a nightmare, no matter what I try it just won't go.
>>>>
>>>>I've done everything you good folks advised and its just no good
>>>>
>>>>Lastly after what I read on this NG be sure when it comes time to
>>>>
>>>>buy a new PC it won't be DELL.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for you help
>>>
>>>
>>DellBot ALERT!!!
>
>
>


Well I guess I loss track of your other answer, I didn't start a new
thread hoping you would forget my other posting.
No need to put a person down. Lazy? far from it!

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Ben Myers wrote:

> Hmm, not sure about that. Vince's original posting referred to an XPS 266 or
> something similar. A little old to have built-in SATA. Maybe he tried an
> add-in SATA card? I dunno. I am just as muddled about what he was trying to
> do, because his postings were hard to comprehend... Ben Myers
>
> On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 01:40:06 GMT, "Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Actually, I answered the question and explained how to do it. He never
>>responded to whether that worked.
>>
>>The underlying problem is he's trying to use old technology IDE drives in a
>>new technology SATA based system. It would work the way I suggested, but
>>I'd bet $10 he never actually tried it.
>>
>>It will work.
>>
>>Period.
>>
>>Tom
>>"Christopher Muto" <muto@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>>news:zfdIe.17835$QX2.11961@trndny01...
>>
>>>done everything but tell us the details... the suggestions you received
>>>in your previous thread (called "ready to go nuts," where this comment
>>>really belongs since we are not mind readers) were based on the limited
>>>information that you provided. ask a precise question get a precise
>>>answer... if you care to detail what you have done, what drives are in
>>>the system, what size they are, what controller they are connected to,
>>>what type of ide cable was used for the hard disk, what bios revisions, if
>>>you are booting the new os from the floppy or cd, what the results of
>>>running dell diagnostics were, etc... then perhaps we can provide some
>>>meaningful pointers. if it wasn't the ram, the my next guess would be
>>>that you are using a relatively new hard drive with a relatively old ide
>>>cable.
>>>
>>>ps. i find it very amusing that this experience is going to make you more
>>>discerning regarding the next computer that you pick out of the trash.
>>>
>>>"Vince" <holvbphoto@optonline.net> wrote in message
>>>news:HfaIe.9193$_R1.197@fe11.lga...
>>>
>>>>This DELL XPS where I've been trying to re-load the OP system
>>>>
>>>>is a nightmare, no matter what I try it just won't go.
>>>>
>>>>I've done everything you good folks advised and its just no good
>>>>
>>>>Lastly after what I read on this NG be sure when it comes time to
>>>>
>>>>buy a new PC it won't be DELL.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for you help
>>>
>>>
>>
>
No I didn't try an addd-in SATA card.

What I'm trying to do is reload the WIN98SE OP system to
the hard drive, OK?

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Well, maybe it's best to reconcile yourself to the fact that you ended up with a
lemon from the dumpster THIS time... Ben Myers

On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 22:54:42 -0400, Vince <holvbphoto@optonline.net> wrote:

>Ben Myers wrote:
>> Don't base your opinion on the troubles you encountered with essentially an old
>> throwaway computer. It came into your possession for some good reason, and that
>> reason was not to make you tear out your hair.
>>
>> Unless you are downright lucky or unless you are an experienced computer tech,
>> getting an older surplus computer up and running smoothly can be a challenge, no
>> matter what brand it is... Ben Myers
>>
>
>
>That may be true but I've done this a number of time before with no
>problems.

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Good. That's what I thought after reading your several posts. But I still do
not understand the exact configuration(s) that you are dealing with. How much
main memory? Which graphics card? Capacities of hard drives, since you've
tried several? Brands of hard drives tried? Make and model of CD-ROM drive?
What sort of IDE cables does the system have? There are two types, one which
requires CS (cable select) jumpering on the IDE devices, the other which
requires master and slave jumper settings. Did you go to the Dell web site and
download the user's manual for the beast, and print out motherboard diagrams and
jumper settings? Have you checked the motherboard jumper or switch settings for
correctness vs. the assumed 266MHz processor speed?

I can ask probably another dozen very specific questions, but I would far rather
respond to some very exact and factual statements about the computer, how it is
set up, what you have tried, and what the symptoms of failure are... Ben Myers


On Wed, 03 Aug 2005 23:11:05 -0400, Vince <holvbphoto@optonline.net> wrote:

>Ben Myers wrote:
>
>> Hmm, not sure about that. Vince's original posting referred to an XPS 266 or
>> something similar. A little old to have built-in SATA. Maybe he tried an
>> add-in SATA card? I dunno. I am just as muddled about what he was trying to
>> do, because his postings were hard to comprehend... Ben Myers
>>
>> On Thu, 04 Aug 2005 01:40:06 GMT, "Tom Scales" <tomtoo@softhome.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Actually, I answered the question and explained how to do it. He never
>>>responded to whether that worked.
>>>
>>>The underlying problem is he's trying to use old technology IDE drives in a
>>>new technology SATA based system. It would work the way I suggested, but
>>>I'd bet $10 he never actually tried it.
>>>
>>>It will work.
>>>
>>>Period.
>>>
>>>Tom
>>>"Christopher Muto" <muto@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>>>news:zfdIe.17835$QX2.11961@trndny01...
>>>
>>>>done everything but tell us the details... the suggestions you received
>>>>in your previous thread (called "ready to go nuts," where this comment
>>>>really belongs since we are not mind readers) were based on the limited
>>>>information that you provided. ask a precise question get a precise
>>>>answer... if you care to detail what you have done, what drives are in
>>>>the system, what size they are, what controller they are connected to,
>>>>what type of ide cable was used for the hard disk, what bios revisions, if
>>>>you are booting the new os from the floppy or cd, what the results of
>>>>running dell diagnostics were, etc... then perhaps we can provide some
>>>>meaningful pointers. if it wasn't the ram, the my next guess would be
>>>>that you are using a relatively new hard drive with a relatively old ide
>>>>cable.
>>>>
>>>>ps. i find it very amusing that this experience is going to make you more
>>>>discerning regarding the next computer that you pick out of the trash.
>>>>
>>>>"Vince" <holvbphoto@optonline.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:HfaIe.9193$_R1.197@fe11.lga...
>>>>
>>>>>This DELL XPS where I've been trying to re-load the OP system
>>>>>
>>>>>is a nightmare, no matter what I try it just won't go.
>>>>>
>>>>>I've done everything you good folks advised and its just no good
>>>>>
>>>>>Lastly after what I read on this NG be sure when it comes time to
>>>>>
>>>>>buy a new PC it won't be DELL.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks for you help
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>No I didn't try an addd-in SATA card.
>
>What I'm trying to do is reload the WIN98SE OP system to
>the hard drive, OK?