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Well it's finally happened. I can't renew my subscription for virus
definitions for my NAV 2000 as it isn't supported anymore.

My computer is a Dim 4100, P3 866, 512mg of SDRAM, running Win ME. Has
anyone tried upgrading to NAV 2005 with a similar setup. I am concerned
that with my older machine it will, (to use a phrase I've seen in posts
about Norton) make my machine 'run like a pig' (and so far, it's always
zipped along pretty good).

I also have been reading in archived posts at Google that NAV 2005 doesn't
'make friends' very easily with Win ME...often hard to get to install
properly, makes your system act strange afterward, etc. If I DON'T get
2005, what are opinions re some of the other virus protection, including
the free ones like AVG and Avast? AND...will it be easy to get NAV 2000 to
uninstall if I DO switch to another virus program???

I really don't know what I should do at this point and welcome any
opinions, especially from those who have a similar setup in their
computer, run Win ME and have tried to upgrade. Thanks much.

Marilyn B.

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"Marilyn E. Burford" <burford@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message
newsine.GSO.3.95.iB1.0.1050413234159.26660A-100000@halifax.chebucto.ns.ca...
> Well it's finally happened. I can't renew my subscription for virus
> definitions for my NAV 2000 as it isn't supported anymore.
>
> My computer is a Dim 4100, P3 866, 512mg of SDRAM, running Win ME. Has
> anyone tried upgrading to NAV 2005 with a similar setup. I am concerned
> that with my older machine it will, (to use a phrase I've seen in posts
> about Norton) make my machine 'run like a pig' (and so far, it's always
> zipped along pretty good).
>
> I also have been reading in archived posts at Google that NAV 2005 doesn't
> 'make friends' very easily with Win ME...often hard to get to install
> properly, makes your system act strange afterward, etc. If I DON'T get
> 2005, what are opinions re some of the other virus protection, including
> the free ones like AVG and Avast? AND...will it be easy to get NAV 2000 to
> uninstall if I DO switch to another virus program???
>
> I really don't know what I should do at this point and welcome any
> opinions, especially from those who have a similar setup in their
> computer, run Win ME and have tried to upgrade. Thanks much.
>
> Marilyn B.
>


http://store.ca.com/dr/v2/ec_MAIN. [...] CACHE_ID=0
"eTrustT EZ Antivirus" is what I use. It will not slow you down. AVG and
Avast are supposed to be ok to. Tim

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"Marilyn E. Burford" <burford@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message
newsine.GSO.3.95.iB1.0.1050413234159.26660A-100000@halifax.chebucto.ns.ca...
> Well it's finally happened. I can't renew my subscription for virus
> definitions for my NAV 2000 as it isn't supported anymore.
>
> My computer is a Dim 4100, P3 866, 512mg of SDRAM, running Win ME. Has
> anyone tried upgrading to NAV 2005 with a similar setup. I am concerned
> that with my older machine it will, (to use a phrase I've seen in posts
> about Norton) make my machine 'run like a pig' (and so far, it's always
> zipped along pretty good).
>
> I also have been reading in archived posts at Google that NAV 2005 doesn't
> 'make friends' very easily with Win ME...often hard to get to install
> properly, makes your system act strange afterward, etc. If I DON'T get
> 2005, what are opinions re some of the other virus protection, including
> the free ones like AVG and Avast? AND...will it be easy to get NAV 2000 to
> uninstall if I DO switch to another virus program???
>
> I really don't know what I should do at this point and welcome any
> opinions, especially from those who have a similar setup in their
> computer, run Win ME and have tried to upgrade. Thanks much.
>
> Marilyn B.
>


Marilyn,

Try AVG Grisoft 7. Download it, then disconnect from the web. Uninstall
Norton, reboot, then install AVG. Connect to the web and update then scan.

http://free.grisoft.com/doc/Get+AVG+FREE/lng/us/tpl/v5

If you don't like it, then you can purchase something else. I can't
recommend E-Trust anymore....


Stew

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"S.Lewis" wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> Marilyn,
>
> Try AVG Grisoft 7. Download it, then disconnect from the web. Uninstall
> Norton, reboot, then install AVG. Connect to the web and update then scan.
>
> http://free.grisoft.com/doc/Get+AVG+FREE/lng/us/tpl/v5
>
> If you don't like it, then you can purchase something else. I can't
> recommend E-Trust anymore....

Another anti-virus program to look at is NOD32 (http://www.nod32.com).

Very low on system resources (something that NAV can *not* claim!).

Notan

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After being a Nortonista for more years than I care to admit, I finally got
tired of certain things......principally the fouled updates and the
ever-increasing subscription price. Also, 2005 would not work with my
regular (and much-preferred) anti-spam program.

I recommend this, and there is a fully functional 30-day trial.

http://esd.element5.com/demoreg.ht [...] nguageid=1

just be sure to remove every vestige of norton. there are instructions at
the symantec site, or google it.


"Marilyn E. Burford" <burford@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote in message
newsine.GSO.3.95.iB1.0.1050413234159.26660A-100000@halifax.chebucto.ns.ca...
> Well it's finally happened. I can't renew my subscription for virus
> definitions for my NAV 2000 as it isn't supported anymore.
>
> My computer is a Dim 4100, P3 866, 512mg of SDRAM, running Win ME. Has
> anyone tried upgrading to NAV 2005 with a similar setup. I am concerned
> that with my older machine it will, (to use a phrase I've seen in posts
> about Norton) make my machine 'run like a pig' (and so far, it's always
> zipped along pretty good).
>
> I also have been reading in archived posts at Google that NAV 2005 doesn't
> 'make friends' very easily with Win ME...often hard to get to install
> properly, makes your system act strange afterward, etc. If I DON'T get
> 2005, what are opinions re some of the other virus protection, including
> the free ones like AVG and Avast? AND...will it be easy to get NAV 2000 to
> uninstall if I DO switch to another virus program???
>
> I really don't know what I should do at this point and welcome any
> opinions, especially from those who have a similar setup in their
> computer, run Win ME and have tried to upgrade. Thanks much.
>
> Marilyn B.
>

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On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:49:57 -0300, "Marilyn E. Burford"
<burford@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote:

>Well it's finally happened. I can't renew my subscription for virus
>definitions for my NAV 2000 as it isn't supported anymore.
>
>My computer is a Dim 4100, P3 866, 512mg of SDRAM, running Win ME. Has
>anyone tried upgrading to NAV 2005 with a similar setup. I am concerned
>that with my older machine it will, (to use a phrase I've seen in posts
>about Norton) make my machine 'run like a pig' (and so far, it's always
>zipped along pretty good).
>
>I also have been reading in archived posts at Google that NAV 2005 doesn't
>'make friends' very easily with Win ME...often hard to get to install
>properly, makes your system act strange afterward, etc. If I DON'T get
>2005, what are opinions re some of the other virus protection, including
>the free ones like AVG and Avast? AND...will it be easy to get NAV 2000 to
>uninstall if I DO switch to another virus program???
>
>I really don't know what I should do at this point and welcome any
>opinions, especially from those who have a similar setup in their
>computer, run Win ME and have tried to upgrade. Thanks much.
>
>Marilyn B.


I recommend an online virus scanner, rather than a resident one. I've
posted a URL many times recently, and don't have time to repeat that
now.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to
have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin

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out of curiosity, what do you do when the virus prevents you from accessing
the net?(kills Winsock)



"Mark Lloyd" <mlloyd@roachmail.comant> wrote in message
newseiv51dsr7er6q2f0p0vltchbrrc9rf77v@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:49:57 -0300, "Marilyn E. Burford"
> <burford@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote:
>
> >Well it's finally happened. I can't renew my subscription for virus
> >definitions for my NAV 2000 as it isn't supported anymore.
> >
> >My computer is a Dim 4100, P3 866, 512mg of SDRAM, running Win ME. Has
> >anyone tried upgrading to NAV 2005 with a similar setup. I am concerned
> >that with my older machine it will, (to use a phrase I've seen in posts
> >about Norton) make my machine 'run like a pig' (and so far, it's always
> >zipped along pretty good).
> >
> >I also have been reading in archived posts at Google that NAV 2005
doesn't
> >'make friends' very easily with Win ME...often hard to get to install
> >properly, makes your system act strange afterward, etc. If I DON'T get
> >2005, what are opinions re some of the other virus protection, including
> >the free ones like AVG and Avast? AND...will it be easy to get NAV 2000
to
> >uninstall if I DO switch to another virus program???
> >
> >I really don't know what I should do at this point and welcome any
> >opinions, especially from those who have a similar setup in their
> >computer, run Win ME and have tried to upgrade. Thanks much.
> >
> >Marilyn B.
>
>
> I recommend an online virus scanner, rather than a resident one. I've
> posted a URL many times recently, and don't have time to repeat that
> now.
>
> --
> Mark Lloyd
> http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com
>
> "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to
> have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
> contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin

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On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 08:29:52 -0700, "JAD" <kapasitor@earthcharter.net>
wrote:

>out of curiosity, what do you do when the virus prevents you from accessing
>the net?(kills Winsock)
>

I haven't had one like that yet. Generally, my A/V solution is
personal intelligence. It really helps to know things. Particularly,
DON'T USE OUTLOOK EXPRESS!! The only viruses I've found in a long time
have been embedded in HTML from email or newsgroup messages.

BTW, the virus I found recently was in an email attachment. I don't
use OE and so don't give viral spam a chance.

>
>
>"Mark Lloyd" <mlloyd@roachmail.comant> wrote in message
>newseiv51dsr7er6q2f0p0vltchbrrc9rf77v@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:49:57 -0300, "Marilyn E. Burford"
>> <burford@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote:
>>
>> >Well it's finally happened. I can't renew my subscription for virus
>> >definitions for my NAV 2000 as it isn't supported anymore.
>> >
>> >My computer is a Dim 4100, P3 866, 512mg of SDRAM, running Win ME. Has
>> >anyone tried upgrading to NAV 2005 with a similar setup. I am concerned
>> >that with my older machine it will, (to use a phrase I've seen in posts
>> >about Norton) make my machine 'run like a pig' (and so far, it's always
>> >zipped along pretty good).
>> >
>> >I also have been reading in archived posts at Google that NAV 2005
>doesn't
>> >'make friends' very easily with Win ME...often hard to get to install
>> >properly, makes your system act strange afterward, etc. If I DON'T get
>> >2005, what are opinions re some of the other virus protection, including
>> >the free ones like AVG and Avast? AND...will it be easy to get NAV 2000
>to
>> >uninstall if I DO switch to another virus program???
>> >
>> >I really don't know what I should do at this point and welcome any
>> >opinions, especially from those who have a similar setup in their
>> >computer, run Win ME and have tried to upgrade. Thanks much.
>> >
>> >Marilyn B.
>>
>>
>> I recommend an online virus scanner, rather than a resident one. I've
>> posted a URL many times recently, and don't have time to repeat that
>> now.
>>
>> --
>> Mark Lloyd
>> http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com
>>
>> "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to
>> have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
>> contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin
>

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to
have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin

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turned off 'html' in OE long ago Mark.. plain text receive only....


"Mark Lloyd" <mlloyd@roachmail.comant> wrote in message
news:370061dq216tlga9ft4r676uvf8t3f8ass@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 08:29:52 -0700, "JAD" <kapasitor@earthcharter.net>
> wrote:
>
> >out of curiosity, what do you do when the virus prevents you from
accessing
> >the net?(kills Winsock)
> >
>
> I haven't had one like that yet. Generally, my A/V solution is
> personal intelligence. It really helps to know things. Particularly,
> DON'T USE OUTLOOK EXPRESS!! The only viruses I've found in a long time
> have been embedded in HTML from email or newsgroup messages.
>
> BTW, the virus I found recently was in an email attachment. I don't
> use OE and so don't give viral spam a chance.
>
> >
> >
> >"Mark Lloyd" <mlloyd@roachmail.comant> wrote in message
> >newseiv51dsr7er6q2f0p0vltchbrrc9rf77v@4ax.com...
> >> On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:49:57 -0300, "Marilyn E. Burford"
> >> <burford@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Well it's finally happened. I can't renew my subscription for virus
> >> >definitions for my NAV 2000 as it isn't supported anymore.
> >> >
> >> >My computer is a Dim 4100, P3 866, 512mg of SDRAM, running Win ME.
Has
> >> >anyone tried upgrading to NAV 2005 with a similar setup. I am
concerned
> >> >that with my older machine it will, (to use a phrase I've seen in
posts
> >> >about Norton) make my machine 'run like a pig' (and so far, it's
always
> >> >zipped along pretty good).
> >> >
> >> >I also have been reading in archived posts at Google that NAV 2005
> >doesn't
> >> >'make friends' very easily with Win ME...often hard to get to install
> >> >properly, makes your system act strange afterward, etc. If I DON'T get
> >> >2005, what are opinions re some of the other virus protection,
including
> >> >the free ones like AVG and Avast? AND...will it be easy to get NAV
2000
> >to
> >> >uninstall if I DO switch to another virus program???
> >> >
> >> >I really don't know what I should do at this point and welcome any
> >> >opinions, especially from those who have a similar setup in their
> >> >computer, run Win ME and have tried to upgrade. Thanks much.
> >> >
> >> >Marilyn B.
> >>
> >>
> >> I recommend an online virus scanner, rather than a resident one. I've
> >> posted a URL many times recently, and don't have time to repeat that
> >> now.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Mark Lloyd
> >> http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com
> >>
> >> "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to
> >> have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
> >> contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin
> >
>
> --
> Mark Lloyd
> http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com
>
> "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to
> have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
> contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin

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I always make a boot disk even with XP. You can download a free dos
virus program, "F-Prot Antivirus" at
http://www.vht-dk.dk/vhtdk/pc/download.htm
Prepare the floppy disks as instructed. Try to keep it current. I had
to use this for my nephews computer. I haven't got a virus in many many
years. Being careful about web sites and not opening emails you are not
familiar with.

My ISP (Cox Cable) and I know that AT&T check emails for virus before
they put them through. I use Netscape Browser. I also have Norton's
2003 virus program which also checks my emails and since I'm networked I
use Norton's 2003 Personal Firewall.

Joan




JAD wrote:
> out of curiosity, what do you do when the virus prevents you from accessing
> the net?(kills Winsock)
>
>
>
> "Mark Lloyd" <mlloyd@roachmail.comant> wrote in message
> newseiv51dsr7er6q2f0p0vltchbrrc9rf77v@4ax.com...
>
>>On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:49:57 -0300, "Marilyn E. Burford"
>><burford@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Well it's finally happened. I can't renew my subscription for virus
>>>definitions for my NAV 2000 as it isn't supported anymore.
>>>
>>>My computer is a Dim 4100, P3 866, 512mg of SDRAM, running Win ME. Has
>>>anyone tried upgrading to NAV 2005 with a similar setup. I am concerned
>>>that with my older machine it will, (to use a phrase I've seen in posts
>>>about Norton) make my machine 'run like a pig' (and so far, it's always
>>>zipped along pretty good).
>>>
>>>I also have been reading in archived posts at Google that NAV 2005
>
> doesn't
>
>>>'make friends' very easily with Win ME...often hard to get to install
>>>properly, makes your system act strange afterward, etc. If I DON'T get
>>>2005, what are opinions re some of the other virus protection, including
>>>the free ones like AVG and Avast? AND...will it be easy to get NAV 2000
>
> to
>
>>>uninstall if I DO switch to another virus program???
>>>
>>>I really don't know what I should do at this point and welcome any
>>>opinions, especially from those who have a similar setup in their
>>>computer, run Win ME and have tried to upgrade. Thanks much.
>>>
>>>Marilyn B.
>>
>>
>>I recommend an online virus scanner, rather than a resident one. I've
>>posted a URL many times recently, and don't have time to repeat that
>>now.
>>
>>--
>>Mark Lloyd
>>http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com
>>
>>"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to
>>have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
>>contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin
>
>
>

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On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 11:12:15 -0700, "JAD" <kapasitor@earthcharter.net>
wrote:

>turned off 'html' in OE long ago Mark.. plain text receive only....
>
Good.

The default of "on" is dangrerous, considering that too many people
won't think to change it (and remember to change it after EVERY
re-installation, and notice if any upgrades change it). Also, are you
sure MS software never changes it back or makes exceptions? It's safer
to use a program that doesn't HAVE HTML support (it would probably
still link to OE for that, but at least you get a choice).

Other programs still have advantages.

>
>"Mark Lloyd" <mlloyd@roachmail.comant> wrote in message
>news:370061dq216tlga9ft4r676uvf8t3f8ass@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 08:29:52 -0700, "JAD" <kapasitor@earthcharter.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >out of curiosity, what do you do when the virus prevents you from
>accessing
>> >the net?(kills Winsock)
>> >
>>
>> I haven't had one like that yet. Generally, my A/V solution is
>> personal intelligence. It really helps to know things. Particularly,
>> DON'T USE OUTLOOK EXPRESS!! The only viruses I've found in a long time
>> have been embedded in HTML from email or newsgroup messages.
>>
>> BTW, the virus I found recently was in an email attachment. I don't
>> use OE and so don't give viral spam a chance.
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >"Mark Lloyd" <mlloyd@roachmail.comant> wrote in message
>> >newseiv51dsr7er6q2f0p0vltchbrrc9rf77v@4ax.com...
>> >> On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:49:57 -0300, "Marilyn E. Burford"
>> >> <burford@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Well it's finally happened. I can't renew my subscription for virus
>> >> >definitions for my NAV 2000 as it isn't supported anymore.
>> >> >
>> >> >My computer is a Dim 4100, P3 866, 512mg of SDRAM, running Win ME.
>Has
>> >> >anyone tried upgrading to NAV 2005 with a similar setup. I am
>concerned
>> >> >that with my older machine it will, (to use a phrase I've seen in
>posts
>> >> >about Norton) make my machine 'run like a pig' (and so far, it's
>always
>> >> >zipped along pretty good).
>> >> >
>> >> >I also have been reading in archived posts at Google that NAV 2005
>> >doesn't
>> >> >'make friends' very easily with Win ME...often hard to get to install
>> >> >properly, makes your system act strange afterward, etc. If I DON'T get
>> >> >2005, what are opinions re some of the other virus protection,
>including
>> >> >the free ones like AVG and Avast? AND...will it be easy to get NAV
>2000
>> >to
>> >> >uninstall if I DO switch to another virus program???
>> >> >
>> >> >I really don't know what I should do at this point and welcome any
>> >> >opinions, especially from those who have a similar setup in their
>> >> >computer, run Win ME and have tried to upgrade. Thanks much.
>> >> >
>> >> >Marilyn B.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I recommend an online virus scanner, rather than a resident one. I've
>> >> posted a URL many times recently, and don't have time to repeat that
>> >> now.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Mark Lloyd
>> >> http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com
>> >>
>> >> "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to
>> >> have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
>> >> contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin
>> >
>>
>> --
>> Mark Lloyd
>> http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com
>>
>> "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to
>> have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
>> contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin
>

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to
have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb
contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin

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On Fri, 15 Apr 2005 14:50:37 -0400, Joan Hansen <user@my.net> wrote:

>I always make a boot disk even with XP. You can download a free dos
>virus program, "F-Prot Antivirus" at
>http://www.vht-dk.dk/vhtdk/pc/download.htm
>Prepare the floppy disks as instructed. Try to keep it current.

That has some of the same advantages as the online scanner I posted
about. How about using BOTH (your floppy and the online scanner) for
extra security?

> I had
>to use this for my nephews computer. I haven't got a virus in many many
>years. Being careful about web sites and not opening emails you are not
>familiar with.
>

That's why I say don't use Outlook Express. By default,