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Had to do a clean install of XP. As a result, the flat screen monitor is being
run by the "default" driver, making the images to large for the screen. I have
the disk marked E172FP, and although it states drivers are included, I can not
access them. I have gone to both Dell.com and a third party driver site and
downloaded this driver. Both are in the "dell drivers" folder, but going
through the control panels, the only choice I still have is the default.
"Anything that doesn't kill you,,,,,,,just hurts a hell of a lot" JLP20

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"JLP20" <jlp20@aol.comnocrap> wrote in message
news:20050101035401.21692.00002331@mb-m11.aol.com...
> Had to do a clean install of XP. As a result, the flat screen monitor is
> being
> run by the "default" driver, making the images to large for the screen. I
> have
> the disk marked E172FP, and although it states drivers are included, I can
> not
> access them. I have gone to both Dell.com and a third party driver site
> and
> downloaded this driver. Both are in the "dell drivers" folder, but going
> through the control panels, the only choice I still have is the default.
> "Anything that doesn't kill you,,,,,,,just hurts a hell of a lot" JLP20

default driver for what? monitor or video card?

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"JLP20" <jlp20@aol.comnocrap> wrote in message
news:20050101035401.21692.00002331@mb-m11.aol.com...
| Had to do a clean install of XP. As a result, the flat screen monitor is
being
| run by the "default" driver, making the images to large for the screen. I
have
| the disk marked E172FP, and although it states drivers are included, I can
not
| access them. I have gone to both Dell.com and a third party driver site
and
| downloaded this driver. Both are in the "dell drivers" folder, but going
| through the control panels, the only choice I still have is the default.
| "Anything that doesn't kill you,,,,,,,just hurts a hell of a lot" JLP20

My feeling is that you mean your display is running a standard VGA display
driver at a resolution of 640 * 480 and that you have tried to resolve the
problem by installing the "driver" for your flat panel display.

If that's correct, you need to install the driver for your display adapter
which will be on the resource CD that came with the computer.
--
D

I'm not an MVP a VIP nor do I have ESP.
I was just trying to help.
Please use your own best judgment before implementing any suggestions or
advice herein.
No warranty is expressed or implied.
Your mileage may vary.
See store for details.

Remove shoes to E-mail.

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Hang on before you do anything else you must install the chipset drivers for
this machine, that are on your resource CD, then reboot the machines and
then install all other required drivers including the video graphics adaptor
driver
"HillBillyBuddhist" <hillbillybuddhistshoes@columbus.rr.com> wrote in
message news:XuvBd.45542$mA3.9346@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
> "JLP20" <jlp20@aol.comnocrap> wrote in message
> news:20050101035401.21692.00002331@mb-m11.aol.com...
> | Had to do a clean install of XP. As a result, the flat screen monitor is
> being
> | run by the "default" driver, making the images to large for the screen.
> I
> have
> | the disk marked E172FP, and although it states drivers are included, I
> can
> not
> | access them. I have gone to both Dell.com and a third party driver site
> and
> | downloaded this driver. Both are in the "dell drivers" folder, but going
> | through the control panels, the only choice I still have is the default.
> | "Anything that doesn't kill you,,,,,,,just hurts a hell of a lot" JLP20
>
> My feeling is that you mean your display is running a standard VGA display
> driver at a resolution of 640 * 480 and that you have tried to resolve the
> problem by installing the "driver" for your flat panel display.
>
> If that's correct, you need to install the driver for your display adapter
> which will be on the resource CD that came with the computer.
> --
> D
>
> I'm not an MVP a VIP nor do I have ESP.
> I was just trying to help.
> Please use your own best judgment before implementing any suggestions or
> advice herein.
> No warranty is expressed or implied.
> Your mileage may vary.
> See store for details.
>
> Remove shoes to E-mail.
>
>

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As a general rule for any Windows machine, if the motherboard chipset drivers
are not part of the Windows install CD, they are the FIRST to be installed after
Windows itself is installed booted up and running... Ben Myers

On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 12:37:43 -0000, "Fixer" <steve@kelly90.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote:

>Hang on before you do anything else you must install the chipset drivers for
>this machine, that are on your resource CD, then reboot the machines and
>then install all other required drivers including the video graphics adaptor
>driver
>"HillBillyBuddhist" <hillbillybuddhistshoes@columbus.rr.com> wrote in
>message news:XuvBd.45542$mA3.9346@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
>> "JLP20" <jlp20@aol.comnocrap> wrote in message
>> news:20050101035401.21692.00002331@mb-m11.aol.com...
>> | Had to do a clean install of XP. As a result, the flat screen monitor is
>> being
>> | run by the "default" driver, making the images to large for the screen.
>> I
>> have
>> | the disk marked E172FP, and although it states drivers are included, I
>> can
>> not
>> | access them. I have gone to both Dell.com and a third party driver site
>> and
>> | downloaded this driver. Both are in the "dell drivers" folder, but going
>> | through the control panels, the only choice I still have is the default.
>> | "Anything that doesn't kill you,,,,,,,just hurts a hell of a lot" JLP20
>>
>> My feeling is that you mean your display is running a standard VGA display
>> driver at a resolution of 640 * 480 and that you have tried to resolve the
>> problem by installing the "driver" for your flat panel display.
>>
>> If that's correct, you need to install the driver for your display adapter
>> which will be on the resource CD that came with the computer.
>> --
>> D
>>
>> I'm not an MVP a VIP nor do I have ESP.
>> I was just trying to help.
>> Please use your own best judgment before implementing any suggestions or
>> advice herein.
>> No warranty is expressed or implied.
>> Your mileage may vary.
>> See store for details.
>>
>> Remove shoes to E-mail.
>>
>>
>
>

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I thought thats what I'd said???
<ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
news:41d6df34.1710955@nntp.charter.net...
> As a general rule for any Windows machine, if the motherboard chipset
> drivers
> are not part of the Windows install CD, they are the FIRST to be installed
> after
> Windows itself is installed booted up and running... Ben Myers
>
> On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 12:37:43 -0000, "Fixer" <steve@kelly90.wanadoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>>Hang on before you do anything else you must install the chipset drivers
>>for
>>this machine, that are on your resource CD, then reboot the machines and
>>then install all other required drivers including the video graphics
>>adaptor
>>driver
>>"HillBillyBuddhist" <hillbillybuddhistshoes@columbus.rr.com> wrote in
>>message news:XuvBd.45542$mA3.9346@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
>>> "JLP20" <jlp20@aol.comnocrap> wrote in message
>>> news:20050101035401.21692.00002331@mb-m11.aol.com...
>>> | Had to do a clean install of XP. As a result, the flat screen monitor
>>> is
>>> being
>>> | run by the "default" driver, making the images to large for the
>>> screen.
>>> I
>>> have
>>> | the disk marked E172FP, and although it states drivers are included, I
>>> can
>>> not
>>> | access them. I have gone to both Dell.com and a third party driver
>>> site
>>> and
>>> | downloaded this driver. Both are in the "dell drivers" folder, but
>>> going
>>> | through the control panels, the only choice I still have is the
>>> default.
>>> | "Anything that doesn't kill you,,,,,,,just hurts a hell of a lot"
>>> JLP20
>>>
>>> My feeling is that you mean your display is running a standard VGA
>>> display
>>> driver at a resolution of 640 * 480 and that you have tried to resolve
>>> the
>>> problem by installing the "driver" for your flat panel display.
>>>
>>> If that's correct, you need to install the driver for your display
>>> adapter
>>> which will be on the resource CD that came with the computer.
>>> --
>>> D
>>>
>>> I'm not an MVP a VIP nor do I have ESP.
>>> I was just trying to help.
>>> Please use your own best judgment before implementing any suggestions or
>>> advice herein.
>>> No warranty is expressed or implied.
>>> Your mileage may vary.
>>> See store for details.
>>>
>>> Remove shoes to E-mail.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

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how do you know if they are part of the Windows install or not? won't xp
identify and install software for just about all of the chipsets out there?

<ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
news:41d6df34.1710955@nntp.charter.net...
> As a general rule for any Windows machine, if the motherboard chipset
drivers
> are not part of the Windows install CD, they are the FIRST to be installed
after
> Windows itself is installed booted up and running... Ben Myers
>
> On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 12:37:43 -0000, "Fixer" <steve@kelly90.wanadoo.co.uk>
wrote:
>
> >Hang on before you do anything else you must install the chipset drivers
for
> >this machine, that are on your resource CD, then reboot the machines and
> >then install all other required drivers including the video graphics
adaptor
> >driver
> >"HillBillyBuddhist" <hillbillybuddhistshoes@columbus.rr.com> wrote in
> >message news:XuvBd.45542$mA3.9346@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
> >> "JLP20" <jlp20@aol.comnocrap> wrote in message
> >> news:20050101035401.21692.00002331@mb-m11.aol.com...
> >> | Had to do a clean install of XP. As a result, the flat screen monitor
is
> >> being
> >> | run by the "default" driver, making the images to large for the
screen.
> >> I
> >> have
> >> | the disk marked E172FP, and although it states drivers are included,
I
> >> can
> >> not
> >> | access them. I have gone to both Dell.com and a third party driver
site
> >> and
> >> | downloaded this driver. Both are in the "dell drivers" folder, but
going
> >> | through the control panels, the only choice I still have is the
default.
> >> | "Anything that doesn't kill you,,,,,,,just hurts a hell of a lot"
JLP20
> >>
> >> My feeling is that you mean your display is running a standard VGA
display
> >> driver at a resolution of 640 * 480 and that you have tried to resolve
the
> >> problem by installing the "driver" for your flat panel display.
> >>
> >> If that's correct, you need to install the driver for your display
adapter
> >> which will be on the resource CD that came with the computer.
> >> --
> >> D
> >>
> >> I'm not an MVP a VIP nor do I have ESP.
> >> I was just trying to help.
> >> Please use your own best judgment before implementing any suggestions
or
> >> advice herein.
> >> No warranty is expressed or implied.
> >> Your mileage may vary.
> >> See store for details.
> >>
> >> Remove shoes to E-mail.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>

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No.

"SlickestWilly" <WillyBoy@nothere.com> wrote in message
news:0kKBd.2422$GW6.79@fe04.lga...
> how do you know if they are part of the Windows install or not? won't xp
> identify and install software for just about all of the chipsets out
> there?
>
> <ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
> news:41d6df34.1710955@nntp.charter.net...
>> As a general rule for any Windows machine, if the motherboard chipset
> drivers
>> are not part of the Windows install CD, they are the FIRST to be
>> installed
> after
>> Windows itself is installed booted up and running... Ben Myers
>>

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Neither XP nor any other version of Windows can be depended upon to install
motherboard chipset drivers. The least popular chipsets are dropped from the
Windows CD. To put it more aptly, the major chipset manufacturers (not just
IDE/ATAPI controllers, but also video, audio, network, modem, printers,
scanners, etc) pay Microsoft for the "privilege" of having drivers on a CD with
limited capacity. You see, Micro$oft collects $$$ from everyone. Bill Gates
will let you whitewash his fence for a fee, too. Some of the XP drivers, like
Linux did previously, are generalized enough to work at least minimally with any
chipset.

Earlier versions of Windows, notably 95 and 98, have even more dire consequences
if the IDE/ATAPI controller drivers are not installed. Very simply, the CD-ROM
drive becomes inaccessable, and one has to resort to using DOS mode CD-ROM
drivers temporarily to load up any drivers from CDs.

After installing Windows, XP or any other, look at the list of hardware
installed in the Device Manager. If there are yellow exclamation points,
something is not installed. If the IDE disk controller is shown as something
generic like "IDE Controller", chances are the chipset drivers are missing.

.... Ben Myers

On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 23:05:42 -0500, "SlickestWilly" <WillyBoy@nothere.com> wrote:

>how do you know if they are part of the Windows install or not? won't xp
>identify and install software for just about all of the chipsets out there?
>
><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
>news:41d6df34.1710955@nntp.charter.net...
>> As a general rule for any Windows machine, if the motherboard chipset
>drivers
>> are not part of the Windows install CD, they are the FIRST to be installed
>after
>> Windows itself is installed booted up and running... Ben Myers
>>
>> On Sat, 1 Jan 2005 12:37:43 -0000, "Fixer" <steve@kelly90.wanadoo.co.uk>
>wrote:
>>
>> >Hang on before you do anything else you must install the chipset drivers
>for
>> >this machine, that are on your resource CD, then reboot the machines and
>> >then install all other required drivers including the video graphics
>adaptor
>> >driver
>> >"HillBillyBuddhist" <hillbillybuddhistshoes@columbus.rr.com> wrote in
>> >message news:XuvBd.45542$mA3.9346@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
>> >> "JLP20" <jlp20@aol.comnocrap> wrote in message
>> >> news:20050101035401.21692.00002331@mb-m11.aol.com...
>> >> | Had to do a clean install of XP. As a result, the flat screen monitor
>is
>> >> being
>> >> | run by the "default" driver, making the images to large for the
>screen.
>> >> I
>> >> have
>> >> | the disk marked E172FP, and although it states drivers are included,
>I
>> >> can
>> >> not
>> >> | access them. I have gone to both Dell.com and a third party driver
>site
>> >> and
>> >> | downloaded this driver. Both are in the "dell drivers" folder, but
>going
>> >> | through the control panels, the only choice I still have is the
>default.
>> >> | "Anything that doesn't kill you,,,,,,,just hurts a hell of a lot"
>JLP20
>> >>
>> >> My feeling is that you mean your display is running a standard VGA
>display
>> >> driver at a resolution of 640 * 480 and that you have tried to resolve
>the
>> >> problem by installing the "driver" for your flat panel display.
>> >>
>> >> If that's correct, you need to install the driver for your display
>adapter
>> >> which will be on the resource CD that came with the computer.
>> >> --
>> >> D
>> >>
>> >> I'm not an MVP a VIP nor do I have ESP.
>> >> I was just trying to help.
>> >> Please use your own best judgment before implementing any suggestions
>or
>> >> advice herein.
>> >> No warranty is expressed or implied.
>> >> Your mileage may vary.
>> >> See store for details.
>> >>
>> >> Remove shoes to E-mail.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>
>

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Ben you bring up something that I wondered about too with the yellow
exclamation marks. On my Dell 8300, I've noticed that the driver for my PCI
Controller has a yellow exclamation mark next to it, but the Dell Resource
Disk doesn't have the drivers it seems to need since I have tried to install
them from there. Would the Windows XP disc have the drivers, since I didn't
think of trying to install from there?

Ron

<ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
news:41d8682e.978137@nntp.charter.net...
> Neither XP nor any other version of Windows can be depended upon to
install
> motherboard chipset drivers. The least popular chipsets are dropped from
the
> Windows CD. To put it more aptly, the major chipset manufacturers (not
just
> IDE/ATAPI controllers, but also video, audio, network, modem, printers,
> scanners, etc) pay Microsoft for the "privilege" of having drivers on a CD
with
> limited capacity. You see, Micro$oft collects $$$ from everyone. Bill
Gates
> will let you whitewash his fence for a fee, too. Some of the XP drivers,
like
> Linux did previously, are generalized enough to work at least minimally
with any
> chipset.
>
> Earlier versions of Windows, notably 95 and 98, have even more dire
consequences
> if the IDE/ATAPI controller drivers are not installed. Very simply, the
CD-ROM
> drive becomes inaccessable, and one has to resort to using DOS mode CD-ROM
> drivers temporarily to load up any drivers from CDs.
>
> After installing Windows, XP or any other, look at the list of hardware
> installed in the Device Manager. If there are yellow exclamation points,
> something is not installed. If the IDE disk controller is shown as
something
> generic like "IDE Controller", chances are the chipset drivers are
missing.
>
> ... Ben Myers

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Ron,

I forget, or maybe I never knoew, but I think that the 8300 has an Intel 850
chipset. RAMBUS, right? If so, then it's the 850, for which drivers can be
downloaded from the Intel web site. Just pick the motherboard drivers for any
850 chipset board there, download, save on the hard drive, and install.

Instead, if the chipset is the newer 865 or 875, the drivers definitely are NOT
on the Windows XP CD, which was produced before the 865 and 875 chipsets were
even announced. (There is some possibility that a slipstreamed XP SP2 CD might
have 865 and 875 drivers. Haven't had the time to check.) Same solution.
Intel web site. Drivers for any 865 or 875 motherboard.

Nobody, not even Dell, has either the clout with Intel (or the board fabs that
pump out Intel chipset boards) nor the total stupidity to demand special
versions of chipsets any more. All Intel chipset boards can use the appropriate
drivers from the Intel web site.

As a generalization, if a board shipped after a release of Windows shipped, the
drivers for that board are extremely unlikely to turn up on the Windows CD for
that release. Same holds true for Linux, BTW. Makes sense when you think
about it.

Now I'm giving away all my secrets of how to set up a motherboard when one does
not have all the driver CDs... Ben Myers

On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 20:46:02 -0500, "Chopperdad" <scotty@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>Ben you bring up something that I wondered about too with the yellow
>exclamation marks. On my Dell 8300, I've noticed that the driver for my PCI
>Controller has a yellow exclamation mark next to it, but the Dell Resource
>Disk doesn't have the drivers it seems to need since I have tried to install
>them from there. Would the Windows XP disc have the drivers, since I didn't
>think of trying to install from there?
>
>Ron
>
><ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
>news:41d8682e.978137@nntp.charter.net...
>> Neither XP nor any other version of Windows can be depended upon to
>install
>> motherboard chipset drivers. The least popular chipsets are dropped from
>the
>> Windows CD. To put it more aptly, the major chipset manufacturers (not
>just
>> IDE/ATAPI controllers, but also video, audio, network, modem, printers,
>> scanners, etc) pay Microsoft for the "privilege" of having drivers on a CD
>with
>> limited capacity. You see, Micro$oft collects $$$ from everyone. Bill
>Gates
>> will let you whitewash his fence for a fee, too. Some of the XP drivers,
>like
>> Linux did previously, are generalized enough to work at least minimally
>with any
>> chipset.
>>
>> Earlier versions of Windows, notably 95 and 98, have even more dire
>consequences
>> if the IDE/ATAPI controller drivers are not installed. Very simply, the
>CD-ROM
>> drive becomes inaccessable, and one has to resort to using DOS mode CD-ROM
>> drivers temporarily to load up any drivers from CDs.
>>
>> After installing Windows, XP or any other, look at the list of hardware
>> installed in the Device Manager. If there are yellow exclamation points,
>> something is not installed. If the IDE disk controller is shown as
>something
>> generic like "IDE Controller", chances are the chipset drivers are
>missing.
>>
>> ... Ben Myers
>
>

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Those ARE the chipset drivers. They'll say something like Intel Chipset
drivers on the resource CD.

Tom
"Chopperdad" <scotty@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:xt1Cd.8734$7N4.7568@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
> Ben you bring up something that I wondered about too with the yellow
> exclamation marks. On my Dell 8300, I've noticed that the driver for my
> PCI
> Controller has a yellow exclamation mark next to it, but the Dell Resource
> Disk doesn't have the drivers it seems to need since I have tried to
> install
> them from there. Would the Windows XP disc have the drivers, since I
> didn't
> think of trying to install from there?
>
> Ron
>
> <ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net (Ben Myers)> wrote in message
> news:41d8682e.978137@nntp.charter.net...
>> Neither XP nor any other version of Windows can be depended upon to
> install
>> motherboard chipset drivers. The least popular chipsets are dropped from
> the
>> Windows CD. To put it more aptly, the major chipset manufacturers (not
> just
>> IDE/ATAPI controllers, but also video, audio, network, modem, printers,
>> scanners, etc) pay Microsoft for the "privilege" of having drivers on a
>> CD
> with
>> limited capacity. You see, Micro$oft collects $$$ from everyone. Bill
> Gates
>> will let you whitewash his fence for a fee, too. Some of the XP drivers,
> like
>> Linux did previously, are generalized enough to work at least minimally
> with any
>> chipset.
>>
>> Earlier versions of Windows, notably 95 and 98, have even more dire
> consequences
>> if the IDE/ATAPI controller drivers are not installed. Very simply, the
> CD-ROM
>> drive becomes inaccessable, and one has to resort to using DOS mode
>> CD-ROM
>> drivers temporarily to load up any drivers from CDs.
>>
>> After installing Windows, XP or any other, look at the list of hardware
>> installed in the Device Manager. If there are yellow exclamation points,
>> something is not installed. If the IDE disk controller is shown as
> something
>> generic like "IDE Controller", chances are the chipset drivers are
> missing.
>>
>> ... Ben Myers
>
>