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I've read the postings about the broadcast flag that causes the
deletion of program material at a tiem selected by the broadcaster,
not the TIVO user.

Here's my opinion - take it with a grain of salt.

Kill the Messenger - blame TIVO if you like. Drop their service if
that's what salves your anger. But I think the anger is a little
misdirected. Simply dropping doesn't let them know *why*. For all
they know, you've simply lost interest in the device. It doesn't have
enough features. Whatever. They don't know. You have to tell them.

Even then, the contract they had to sign to allow them to offer the
features you like is the controlling factor. They can't ignore the
parts of it you don't like anymore than Dishnetwork can give me
distant networks even though it's possible with the flip of a switch.
There's contracts (and law) in the way.

So you've gotta complain about that flag to someone that has some real
control over it - Macrovision. Except I suspect that doing would be
of no use either. They appear to dance at the whim of the studios.

So complain to Warner, Sony, et al. Except that they'll ignore you
altogether. What do they care if you won't buy their product? There's
millions more that do. They don't need any specific individual.

I think the remark I read the said to complain to the FCC is more on
target. That may do some good.

What else may do some good? Go with a home built DVR. If you can't
build one, get someone that knows how to do it for you.

Or, if possible, record it to - gasp! An analog device - VCR or stand
alone DVD recorder. It's about the program material is it not? Or
are you worshiping the technology?

About that last thing - if that broadcast flag is set, I don't know if
it'll let recording in the analog world happen, I'm just supposing it
will. If not, que sera sera. What will be will be.

So start complaining - to all of them. Maybe if enough people
complain to enough companies or government agencies, something good
will happen for you.

And if not, there's plenty of other things to do besides watching TV.

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What in the world are you talking about?!?! TiVo keeps ALL
material forever if you want it to. There's nothing (implemented)
in the software that allows the broadcasters to delete content
from your TiVo.

"George Max" <lazarus@removethiswi.rr.com> wrote in message
news:ia8ji1lua2caeb0b780reqaskg8hcusaji@4ax.com...
> I've read the postings about the broadcast flag that causes the
> deletion of program material at a tiem selected by the broadcaster,
> not the TIVO user.
>
> Here's my opinion - take it with a grain of salt.
>
> Kill the Messenger - blame TIVO if you like. Drop their service if
> that's what salves your anger. But I think the anger is a little
> misdirected. Simply dropping doesn't let them know *why*. For all
> they know, you've simply lost interest in the device. It doesn't have
> enough features. Whatever. They don't know. You have to tell them.
>
> Even then, the contract they had to sign to allow them to offer the
> features you like is the controlling factor. They can't ignore the
> parts of it you don't like anymore than Dishnetwork can give me
> distant networks even though it's possible with the flip of a switch.
> There's contracts (and law) in the way.
>
> So you've gotta complain about that flag to someone that has some real
> control over it - Macrovision. Except I suspect that doing would be
> of no use either. They appear to dance at the whim of the studios.
>
> So complain to Warner, Sony, et al. Except that they'll ignore you
> altogether. What do they care if you won't buy their product? There's
> millions more that do. They don't need any specific individual.
>
> I think the remark I read the said to complain to the FCC is more on
> target. That may do some good.
>
> What else may do some good? Go with a home built DVR. If you can't
> build one, get someone that knows how to do it for you.
>
> Or, if possible, record it to - gasp! An analog device - VCR or stand
> alone DVD recorder. It's about the program material is it not? Or
> are you worshiping the technology?
>
> About that last thing - if that broadcast flag is set, I don't know if
> it'll let recording in the analog world happen, I'm just supposing it
> will. If not, que sera sera. What will be will be.
>
> So start complaining - to all of them. Maybe if enough people
> complain to enough companies or government agencies, something good
> will happen for you.
>
> And if not, there's plenty of other things to do besides watching TV.

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"RobR" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> What in the world are you talking about?!?! TiVo keeps ALL
> material forever if you want it to. There's nothing (implemented)
> in the software that allows the broadcasters to delete content
> from your TiVo.

Read the thread titled "TiVo deleting programs?" to see what he is talking
about.

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Seth wrote:
> "RobR" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:7joWe.6975$R9.4150@trnddc02...
>
>> What in the world are you talking about?!?! TiVo keeps ALL
>> material forever if you want it to. There's nothing (implemented)
>> in the software that allows the broadcasters to delete content
>> from your TiVo.
>
>
> Read the thread titled "TiVo deleting programs?" to see what he is
> talking about.
>

FWIW, I think George is pretty much on-target, if not on-thread ;-).

Randy S.

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On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 00:26:43 GMT, "RobR" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:

>What in the world are you talking about?!?! TiVo keeps ALL
>material forever if you want it to. There's nothing (implemented)
>in the software that allows the broadcasters to delete content
>from your TiVo.

Gotta pay closer attention Rob.

BTW, I posted the way I did to be sure people would see it and not
have it buried in a message thread.

>
>"George Max" <lazarus@removethiswi.rr.com> wrote in message
>news:ia8ji1lua2caeb0b780reqaskg8hcusaji@4ax.com...
>> I've read the postings about the broadcast flag that causes the
>> deletion of program material at a tiem selected by the broadcaster,
>> not the TIVO user.
>>
>> Here's my opinion - take it with a grain of salt.
>>
>> Kill the Messenger - blame TIVO if you like. Drop their service if
>> that's what salves your anger. But I think the anger is a little
>> misdirected. Simply dropping doesn't let them know *why*. For all
>> they know, you've simply lost interest in the device. It doesn't have
>> enough features. Whatever. They don't know. You have to tell them.
>>
>> Even then, the contract they had to sign to allow them to offer the
>> features you like is the controlling factor. They can't ignore the
>> parts of it you don't like anymore than Dishnetwork can give me
>> distant networks even though it's possible with the flip of a switch.
>> There's contracts (and law) in the way.
>>
>> So you've gotta complain about that flag to someone that has some real
>> control over it - Macrovision. Except I suspect that doing would be
>> of no use either. They appear to dance at the whim of the studios.
>>
>> So complain to Warner, Sony, et al. Except that they'll ignore you
>> altogether. What do they care if you won't buy their product? There's
>> millions more that do. They don't need any specific individual.
>>
>> I think the remark I read the said to complain to the FCC is more on
>> target. That may do some good.
>>
>> What else may do some good? Go with a home built DVR. If you can't
>> build one, get someone that knows how to do it for you.
>>
>> Or, if possible, record it to - gasp! An analog device - VCR or stand
>> alone DVD recorder. It's about the program material is it not? Or
>> are you worshiping the technology?
>>
>> About that last thing - if that broadcast flag is set, I don't know if
>> it'll let recording in the analog world happen, I'm just supposing it
>> will. If not, que sera sera. What will be will be.
>>
>> So start complaining - to all of them. Maybe if enough people
>> complain to enough companies or government agencies, something good
>> will happen for you.
>>
>> And if not, there's plenty of other things to do besides watching TV.
>

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"George Max" <bluemax53201@removethis.yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:lrbki1tftpigdofr44tm1ppvc6ihqdqucb@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 00:26:43 GMT, "RobR" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>>What in the world are you talking about?!?! TiVo keeps ALL
>>material forever if you want it to. There's nothing (implemented)
>>in the software that allows the broadcasters to delete content
>>from your TiVo.
>
> Gotta pay closer attention Rob.
>
> BTW, I posted the way I did to be sure people would see it and not
> have it buried in a message thread.
>

damn, i was asleep at the wheel on that one. ok, well now i know
to stick with 4.x on my dtivo .