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I have a season pass (first run only) and TIVO insists on recording every  
single time the show is on (I think it is 3x a day). Is there something  
about this show that fools TIVO into thinking they are first runs, and/or is  
there any workaround you can suggest. TIA.
Alan

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"exjd" <exjd@yahoo.com> wrote in
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> I have a season pass (first run only) and TIVO insists on
> recording every single time the show is on (I think it is 3x a
> day). Is there something about this show that fools TIVO into
> thinking they are first runs, and/or is there any workaround you
> can suggest. TIA.  
 
Frustrating, isn't it. I was on the road all week and ended up with 4  
episodes the same (all Thursday) and lost the whole week. What's  
annoying is that a few weeks ago it worked fine. I assume it is to do  
with the title of the show being used to define whether you have it or  
not and now it has reverted back to the title of "The Daily Show with  
Jon Stewart".
 
The only thing I think you can do is record the timeslot every day,  
which I am going to do from now on.

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> Frustrating, isn't it. I was on the road all week and ended up with 4  
> episodes the same (all Thursday) and lost the whole week. What's  
> annoying is that a few weeks ago it worked fine. I assume it is to do  
> with the title of the show being used to define whether you have it or  
> not and now it has reverted back to the title of "The Daily Show with  
> Jon Stewart".
>  
> The only thing I think you can do is record the timeslot every day,  
> which I am going to do from now on.
 
It's got to be the episode descriptions.  I'm noticing that when TDS is  
in reruns that the descriptions don't include the guest so that they are  
identical, and they're *not* marked as repeats.  I'm guessing that this  
is what's causing every one to be recorded.  It only does it on weeks  
with repeats, so the majority of the time it's not a problem.
 
Somebody needs to inform the schedule service that they're not marking  
them as repeats when they should be.
 
Randy S.

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GaryM <gmaddr-usenet@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Frustrating, isn't it. I was on the road all week and ended up with 4  
> episodes the same (all Thursday) and lost the whole week. What's  
 
I think the "info" has been updated to include guests, but there were old
shows in the last week or so that had the old info, which was useless.
At the opening of the show, the announcement and video include the date if
it is new, and don't include the date for repeated shows that are more than
a few days old.
 
> The only thing I think you can do is record the timeslot every day,  
> which I am going to do from now on.
 
I manually record the 7am time slot to avoid conflicts at night.
 
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>>The only thing I think you can do is record the timeslot every day,  
>>which I am going to do from now on.
>  
>  
> I manually record the 7am time slot to avoid conflicts at night.
>  
 
I don't know if it matters, but that may not be *exactly* the same as  
the 11 pm show.  He had a bit on a couple weeks ago where he used some  
not-so-primetime words and joked that people who watched at 11 pm or 1  
am would hear everything, but those who watched the morning show time  
would only get beeps ;-)
 
It was actually a pretty funny bit, though not nearly so funny as when  
Al Sharpton was on a couple weeks ago and seemingly humped the couch!?  
What was he smoking that night?  John seemed rather taken aback ;-).
 
Randy S.

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"Randy S." <rswittNO@SPAMgmail.com> wrote in message  
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>
> It was actually a pretty funny bit, though not nearly so funny as when Al  
> Sharpton was on a couple weeks ago and seemingly humped the couch!? What  
> was he smoking that night?  John seemed rather taken aback ;-).
 
Wow, I missed *that* one...but what was really funny was the whole, "No,  
John...George W. Bush has HUGE BALLS!" skit from last week.
 
Ed
84HurstOlds@nowherenow.com

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Randy S. wrote:
>  
>>> The only thing I think you can do is record the timeslot every day,  
>>> which I am going to do from now on.
>>
>>
>>
>> I manually record the 7am time slot to avoid conflicts at night.
>>
>  
> I don't know if it matters, but that may not be *exactly* the same as  
> the 11 pm show.  He had a bit on a couple weeks ago where he used some  
> not-so-primetime words and joked that people who watched at 11 pm or 1  
> am would hear everything, but those who watched the morning show time  
> would only get beeps ;-)
>  
> It was actually a pretty funny bit, though not nearly so funny as when  
> Al Sharpton was on a couple weeks ago and seemingly humped the couch!?  
> What was he smoking that night?  John seemed rather taken aback ;-).
>  
> Randy S.
 
That was Al *Green*, not Al Sharpton  :-)
 
- John

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"Randy S." <rswittNO@SPAMgmail.com> wrote in
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> I don't know if it matters, but that may not be *exactly* the same
> as the 11 pm show.  He had a bit on a couple weeks ago where he
> used some not-so-primetime words and joked that people who watched
> at 11 pm or 1 am would hear everything, but those who watched the
> morning show time would only get beeps ;-)
>  
 
I noticed that too. In fact it makes me wonder if Com. Central can show  
the uncersored "South Park - Bigger, longer, uncut" after 1am, do they  
unbleep Stewart?

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>> It was actually a pretty funny bit, though not nearly so funny as when  
>> Al Sharpton was on a couple weeks ago and seemingly humped the couch!?  
>> What was he smoking that night?  John seemed rather taken aback ;-).
>>
>> Randy S.
>  
>  
> That was Al *Green*, not Al Sharpton  :-)
>  
> - John
 
Oh, geez, how did I manage do screw that one up! ;-).  I suppose they're  
both Rev. though :-/
 
Randy S.

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Randy S. <rswittNO@spamgmail.com> wrote:
> I don't know if it matters, but that may not be *exactly* the same as  
> the 11 pm show.  He had a bit on a couple weeks ago where he used some  
> not-so-primetime words and joked that people who watched at 11 pm or 1  
> am would hear everything, but those who watched the morning show time  
> would only get beeps ;-)
 
I saw that one "live"... at 10pm PST on DTV, so it's a replay already, and
the "word" was there.  I meant to watch my 7am version, but I forgot.
 
> It was actually a pretty funny bit, though not nearly so funny as when  
> Al Sharpton was on a couple weeks ago and seemingly humped the couch!?  
> What was he smoking that night?  John seemed rather taken aback ;-).
 
That was Al Green, not Sharpton, although Sharpton has been on the show.
I guess I didn't have the right angle, 'cause I didn't see what Jon thought
was so hilarious.  I didn't think Al Green was very good on the show.
 
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In article <8b-dnWP8Rem2r9LfRVn-sA@rcn.net>,
 "exjd" <exjd@yahoo.com> writes:
>  
> I have a season pass (first run only) and TIVO insists on recording every  
> single time the show is on (I think it is 3x a day). Is there something  
> about this show that fools TIVO into thinking they are first runs, and/or is  
> there any workaround you can suggest. TIA.
 
The problem is with the episode IDs and first-run air dates (not the
descriptions per se, as others have said, unless you consider this
information to be part of the description). Every episode of every TV show
has (or can have) a unique ID number, and the TiVo tracks these to know
when shows are duplicate airings. First-run air dates are used to
determine when a show is a first-run episode, if you opt to record new
episodes only. (Note that "first-run" has a specific meaning in TiVo-land
-- I believe it's "first-run" if a show's first-run air date is within a
week [or maybe two] of the show's actual air date. This lets the TiVo
record a show that's being re-run within a week or so of the actual
first-run date if that showing was in conflict with a higher-priority
show.) If the ID number and first-run air date are missing in the guide
data the TiVo receives, the TiVo doesn't know that some episodes are
repeats and/or not first-run, and so records the show, working on the
assumption that it's better to record old shows than to not record new
ones.
 
Historically, "The Daily Show" has been pretty awful about providing guide
data generally, so this problem has been pretty common. For the past few
months, they've been much better about it, but a couple of weeks ago, the
data seemed to disappear. Sometimes the episode IDs (and other guide data)
are missing for reruns, but not for new shows, but there were some new
ones that were missing data recently, too. With any luck, the episode IDs
and other guide data will return when they start showing new episodes, but
I can't promise that.
 
In the meantime, or if they don't resume delivering accurate guide data, I
know of no true fix, but there are some workarounds possible:
 
- Go into the To Do list and delete what you believe to be duplicate
  episodes. Typically, that'll mean leaving the 11:00 EST showing in place
  and deleting the others, but of course you could make changes if you've
  got something else recording at that time on some day.
 
- Change your Wish List or Season Pass to keep one recording only. This
  won't really fix the problem, but it will ensure that your Now Showing
  list won't have several identical episodes; at most, you'll have one
  complete episode and one that's being recorded. The downside is that
  you'll need to watch the show before a new one appears, or the old one
  will be wiped out by it.
 
- Delete your Wish List or Season Pass and create one or more repeating
  recordings by time. This works best if conflicts with at least one
  "Daily Show" time slot are rare. If you create a M-F repeating
  recording, you'll also get whatever they happen to show on Fridays
  during the time slot you've chosen. If you don't want this, you'll need
  to create four daily repeating recordings, one for each day.
 
In the long term, you could try complaining to Comedy Central, and perhaps
also to TiVo (or DirecTV, if you've got a DirecTiVo). Ultimately, it's the
station that's responsible for delivering this data (via third parties),
so putting pressure on them (directly and via the companies they supply)
to get their act together could have a desirable effect. Then too, space
aliens could land atop the UN building and usher in a new era of world
peace. I'm not sure which is more likely.
 
--  
Rod Smith, rodsmith@rodsbooks.com
http://www.rodsbooks.com
Author of books on Linux, FreeBSD, and networking

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> The problem is with the episode IDs and first-run air dates (not the
> descriptions per se, as others have said, unless you consider this
> information to be part of the description).
 
<snip>
 
I'm certain you're correct, but I do think there is a correlation  
between the generic show descriptions and the missing ep. ID's.
 
> In the long term, you could try complaining to Comedy Central, and perhaps
> also to TiVo (or DirecTV, if you've got a DirecTiVo). Ultimately, it's the
> station that's responsible for delivering this data (via third parties),
> so putting pressure on them (directly and via the companies they supply)
> to get their act together could have a desirable effect. Then too, space
> aliens could land atop the UN building and usher in a new era of world
> peace. I'm not sure which is more likely.
 
Since broadcasters are conflicted about Tivo in general (probably  
leaning towards "dislike" ), I would have to agree with you here.
 
Randy S.

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In article <d2po3o$vk6$1@spnode25.nerdc.ufl.edu>,
 "Randy S." <rswittNO@SPAMgmail.com> writes:
>  
>> The problem is with the episode IDs and first-run air dates (not the
>> descriptions per se, as others have said, unless you consider this
>> information to be part of the description).
>  
> <snip>
>  
> I'm certain you're correct, but I do think there is a correlation  
> between the generic show descriptions and the missing ep. ID's.
 
Yes, but not on a technical level; it's just that if the broadcasters
typically provide either a complete data set or nothing at all, beyond
basic "Show X is on at 9:00."
 
>> In the long term, you could try complaining to Comedy Central, and perhaps
>> also to TiVo (or DirecTV, if you've got a DirecTiVo). Ultimately, it's the
>> station that's responsible for delivering this data (via third parties),
>> so putting pressure on them (directly and via the companies they supply)
>> to get their act together could have a desirable effect. Then too, space
>> aliens could land atop the UN building and usher in a new era of world
>> peace. I'm not sure which is more likely.
>  
> Since broadcasters are conflicted about Tivo in general (probably  
> leaning towards "dislike" ), I would have to agree with you here.
 
My sarcasm has more to do with the fact that commercial TV is set up to
please advertisers rather than viewers than with anything TiVo-specific.
Throw in a dash of scorn for big corporations, and voila: comments poking
fun at the effectiveness of complaints filed by individuals with
broadcasters.
 
As a practical matter, TiVo and DirecTV get their guide data from
commercial services that also provide data to newspapers and others.
AFAIK, broadcasters have no way of denying TiVo the data while still
providing it to these other sources. Thus, I don't think TiVo animosity
really explains the lack of complete guide data. In other words, I believe
Hanlon's Razor applies: "Never attribute to malice that which is
adequately explained by stupidity." Or, in this case, laziness is a more
likely motivator.
 
--  
Rod Smith, rodsmith@rodsbooks.com
http://www.rodsbooks.com
Author of books on Linux, FreeBSD, and networking

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>><snip>
>>
>>I'm certain you're correct, but I do think there is a correlation  
>>between the generic show descriptions and the missing ep. ID's.
>  
>  
> Yes, but not on a technical level; it's just that if the broadcasters
> typically provide either a complete data set or nothing at all, beyond
> basic "Show X is on at 9:00."
 
No, I understood what you were saying, that's exactly what I was thinking.
 
One other data point I just noticed.  My Tivo is recording 4 time slots  
of the repeats, but not the normal timeslot of 11 PM.  So either the  
normal time slot is marked correctly, or they're not showing it at all then.
 
Randy S.

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In article <d2puas$vlu$1@spnode25.nerdc.ufl.edu>,
 "Randy S." <rswittNO@SPAMgmail.com> writes:
>  
> One other data point I just noticed.  My Tivo is recording 4 time slots  
> of the repeats, but not the normal timeslot of 11 PM.  So either the  
> normal time slot is marked correctly, or they're not showing it at all then.
 
Mine's recording them all, including the 11:00 showing. I've got a
DirecTiVo, though, so it could be a difference in guide data. OTOH,
perhaps you've got a conflict that's preventing the 11:00 showing from
recording.
 
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http://www.rodsbooks.com
Author of books on Linux, FreeBSD, and networking

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rodsmith@nessus.rodsbooks.com (Rod Smith) wrote in
news:t206i2-268.ln1@speaker.rodsbooks.com:  
 
> The problem is with the episode IDs and first-run air dates (not
> the descriptions per se, as others have said, unless you consider
> this information to be part of the description). Every episode of
> every TV show has (or can have) a unique ID number, and the TiVo
> tracks these to know when shows are duplicate airings.  
 
Using my Myth box I was able drill deeper into the guide data and the  
show id is indeed identical for all future airings (even the 11pm  
slot). In addition it shows first air date given as some time in 1999.
 
(By the way, this is one area where Tivo has better scheduling that  
MythtV, because I can record the slot once a week, or every day in  
Myth, whereas I suffer only one wasted day with Tivo's M-F option.)

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On 2005-04-02 19:00:43 -0500, "exjd" <exjd@yahoo.com> said:
 
> I have a season pass (first run only) and TIVO insists on recording  
> every single time the show is on (I think it is 3x a day). Is there  
> something about this show that fools TIVO into thinking they are first  
> runs, and/or is there any workaround you can suggest. TIA.
> Alan
 
I have the same problem with "the daily show" and some other cable  
shows.  The problem is if the show does not provide the show  
information to TIVO than tivo just assumes it is a first run show no  
matter when it comes on.  The only way around that is to manually  
record the daily show at the same time everyday.

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Musical Legend Al Green, not Al Sharpton......................  LOL
 
Randy S. wrote:
 
>
>
>
> It was actually a pretty funny bit, though not nearly so funny as when  
> Al Sharpton was on a couple weeks ago and seemingly humped the couch!?  
> What was he smoking that night?  John seemed rather taken aback ;-).
>
> Randy S.
 
 
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dold@xrexxthexd.usenet.us.com wrote:
> Randy S. <rswittNO@spamgmail.com> wrote:
>> I don't know if it matters, but that may not be *exactly* the same as  
>> the 11 pm show.  He had a bit on a couple weeks ago where he used some  
>> not-so-primetime words and joked that people who watched at 11 pm or 1  
>> am would hear everything, but those who watched the morning show time  
>> would only get beeps ;-)
 
> I saw that one "live"... at 10pm PST on DTV, so it's a replay already, and
> the "word" was there.  I meant to watch my 7am version, but I forgot.
 
I watched the Friday morning replay of Thursday (4/7) night's show, and the
word "BS" was bleeped, along with another that I thought was innocuous, and
one was allowed that I would have bleeped, if I were going to bleep "BS".
It wasn't the title of a book, like it was on the previous show, but I
wonder if anyone saw it unbleeped on Thursday night.
 
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