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[Solved] Card help GTX 460 Oc or 550 Ti CU?

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hi everyone have been away from comp gaming for quite a while around 2 years...swtor and Cs:go are getting me back into it(YAY). i would really just like to play newer games on ultra settings(starcraft,swtor,league of legends,Cs:Go,etc...) i know they're not the most demanding games and the two cards i picked might be overkill for my system and for the games i play...but i dont want to upgrade for at least another year or two and these cards sound perfect for me to do that and i need an honest opinion

so my comp specs are as followed:
Win 7 64-bit
intel core 2 quad q8200: 2 cpu @ 2.33GHz
6GB ram
Nvidia 9500 GT 512mb
2 500Gb HDDs
350w upgrading to at least 500w
47" 3d tv... i know i know 47" with a 9500...playing swtor on1280x720 with medium settings i want to do 1920x1080 on high.

the budget i choose was 160$... $200 including the power supply, which i found for $40(all canadian $ Btw)
any help or info on what i should do would be much appreciated thx!

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Hi, Between gtx460oc and 550ti, of course gtx 460 oc. 460 is faster than 550ti without oc.

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GTX 460 OC (1GB 256-bit) will smash the GTX 550 Ti (1GB 192-bit) quite handily.
$200 might get you a HD 6870, look for one of those as an alternative.
I'd pass on the HD 6850 and go GTX 460 OC or GTX 560 over it.

 

but the GTX 550 Ti is NOT a gaming card, I have one in more of a HTPC unit.

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malmental wrote :

GTX 460 OC (1GB 256-bit) will smash the GTX 550 Ti (1GB 192-bit) quite handily.
$200 might get you a HD 6870, look for one of those as an alternative.
I'd pass on the HD 6850 and go GTX 460 OC or GTX 560 over it.

but the GTX 550 Ti is NOT a gaming card, I have one in more of a HTPC unit.


6850 is better than GTX 460 plus it only takes one 6pin

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PaperBoy wrote :

6850 is better than GTX 460 plus it only takes one 6pin


slow down. :non:
your right on the 1 6-pin plug but depending on the model GTX 460 it can be better and
I have one that is better.
I have proven this several times, so back to the thread and OP..
thanks.

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Message edited by malmental on 02-09-2012 at 09:07:32 PM
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thank you so far. "the GTX 550 Ti is NOT a gaming card, I have one in more of a HTPC unit"
very helpful. leaning alot more towards the 460 normal or OC now, but do you dont think its overkill at all... or does it sound pefect for what im asking?
for my specs will it "bottleneck" or anything like that?

 

Love the Yoda avatar BTW!!!

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InsidiouSFoX wrote :

thank you so far. "the GTX 550 Ti is NOT a gaming card, I have one in more of a HTPC unit"
very helpful. leaning alot more towards the 460 normal or OC now, but do you dont think its overkill at all... or does it sound pefect for what im asking?
for my specs will it "bottleneck" or anything like that?

 

Love the Yoda avatar BTW!!!


no, it will be fine.
though I do recommend a GTX 560 or HD 6870 instead but an OC'd GTX 460 can still perform.

 

is this a prebuilt unit or DIY.?


Message edited by malmental on 02-09-2012 at 09:10:18 PM
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thanks for the avatar comment... :)

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malmental wrote :

slow down. :non:
your right on the 1 6-pin plug but depending on the model GTX 460 it can be better and
I have one that is better.
I have proven this several times, so back to the thread and OP..
thanks.

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How bought some non Nvidia biased and optimized pumping Nvidia benchmark suites.

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OP GTX 460 no longer or limited available and 6850 pulls ahead of it in gaming but in Nvidias own benchmark suites they make there own cards look better naturally.

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its a prebuilt HP that came with a 9400 or 9800 gs...if i remember right(2years ago...)9500gt was a free upgrade from a buddy so i could play source games nicely.

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anyways, staying on topic which is the OP's thread........
(argue with yourself, that's not why we're here. let's agree to disagree. move on).

 

OP - what model HP because of that case might be of hindrance, you already know about the power supply upgrade needed.
I will admit that an alternative to the GTX 460 is the HD 6850 but I prefer either the HD 6870 or the GTX 560.

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malmental wrote :

anyways, staying on topic which is the OP's thread........
(argue with yourself, that's not why we're here. let's agree to disagree. move on).

OP - what model HP because of that case might be of hindrance, you already know about the power supply upgrade needed.


Why rip off OP and try and sell him on an inferior card that is only better in it's own tailor made and optimized synthetic benchmarks and not in most games overall in real time gaming situations. Sorry but GTX 460 is a good card but not good enough to recommend over a 6850 that I may add is cheaper and will be far more available.


Message edited by PaperBoy on 02-09-2012 at 09:31:41 PM
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let's agree to disagree. move on....
your stuck on the GTX 460 and I'm moving on to the HD 6870 or GTX 560, it's not that important since he can't get one anyways now is it...???
no.
AGAIN.
(showing your immaturity)
let's agree to disagree. move on....

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Message edited by malmental on 02-09-2012 at 09:34:32 PM
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malmental wrote :

let's agree to disagree. move on....
AGAIN.
(showing your immaturity)


Admit that you misinformed OP about the value and performance of GTX 460

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yea i kinda figured that with my case. it is the pavilon elite m9425f. getting the 9500 in was a lil squeeze but its mostly the way they wrap the power supply cords around the card down to my fans... i figured the new power supply should have nicer-longer cords to play with(hopefully)

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InsidiouSFoX wrote :

yea i kinda figured that with my case. it is the pavilon elite m9425f. getting the 9500 in was a lil squeeze but its mostly the way they wrap the power supply cords around the card down to my fans... i figured the new power supply should have nicer-longer cords to play with(hopefully)


and with that your looking at dual slotted cards.?
the 9500GT is a single slot correct.?

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PaperBoy wrote :

Admit that you misinformed OP about the value and performance of GTX 460


no, you are....
and for someone who doesn't even list his hardware, you lack validity..

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InsidiouSFoX wrote :

yea i kinda figured that with my case. it is the pavilon elite m9425f. getting the 9500 in was a lil squeeze but its mostly the way they wrap the power supply cords around the card down to my fans... i figured the new power supply should have nicer-longer cords to play with(hopefully)


The PSU I recommended will do you well it is 80+ Bronze and enjoys great user acclaim and I have use one they are solid.

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no, I'm done and staying on topic.....
some other day.

 

can we agree that OP might need a new case.?

 

edit: might be fine..


Message edited by malmental on 02-09-2012 at 09:49:24 PM
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not the most computer savvy sry... does that mean itll take up two slots on my motherboard or out the back? the 9500 only takes up one out the back but i have two more slots above it. will it take up two slots going upwards or downwards?wish i could send a pic on here i have two that i took

Reply to InsidiouSFoX

sounds like you good case wise then with space up and below but what about the length of the card.?

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OCD much.?
moving on AGAIN.


Message edited by malmental on 02-09-2012 at 09:52:13 PM
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Naturally Nvidia sponsored games will favor GTX 460 a bit but 6850 is a stronger card just artificially crippled by Nvidia in games like Lost Planet etc So if OP plays Starcraft and Lost Planet than mabye a Green card will be a better choice for him but if OP plays many games and not just Nvidia pumping ones 6850 is better.

YOUR PROPAGANDA WILL NOT FOOL ME !


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thread:
Card help GTX 460 Oc or 550 Ti CU?

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malmental wrote :

thread:
Card help GTX 460 Oc or 550 Ti CU?


It obvios that OP is open to suggestions beings he states a budget of $200

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and the HD 6870 or the GTX 560 falls in that category, question is with that besides power supply is can he fit it into his case because of the length...?
and it's spelled 'obvious'.

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malmental wrote :

and the HD 6870 or the GTX 560 falls in that category, question is with that besides power supply is can he fit it into his case because of the length...?


OP needs an PSU and GPU within his specified $200 max budget.

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as long as the new supply has longer(or at least neater) cords i think i should be fine they built a nice cranny in the middle of the case for cordage. more worried about height/width than lengh honestly. thanks for all the help everyone... definatly coming back here.

and for the little tiff ^ there... im picking Nvidia over raedon because ive always been a Nvidia guy and they are super easy for me to find in my city without ordering.

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I'd get a modular power supply and that will solve your problem..

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InsidiouSFoX wrote :

as long as the new supply has longer(or at least neater) cords i think i should be fine they built a nice cranny in the middle of the case for cordage. more worried about height/width than lengh honestly. thanks for all the help everyone... definatly coming back here.

and for the little tiff ^ there... im picking Nvidia over raedon because ive always been a Nvidia guy and they are super easy for me to find in my city without ordering.


Not being a fan boy here or anything cause I run a GTX 460 myself but a GTX 460 might be hard to find cause they are discontinued and 6850 only takes one 6pin

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I'm just a messy sarcastic a** who is really just having fun...

remember:
modular power supply.!

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malmental wrote :

I'm just a messy sarcastic a** who is really just having fun...

remember:
modular power supply.!


How does OP fit a decent modular PSU and GTX 460 into his $200 max budget ?

Reply to PaperBoy

"may the CUDA be with you..." ahaha
i cant wait to start up Swtor when this is all done. thx for all the help mal,paper,everyone else...
"It obvious that OP is open to suggestions beings he states a budget of $200"
yes i am open to other suggestions just after a decent talk with my buddy it boiled down to these two for what i wanted/needed...(roughly 2yr life,wont blow up my pc lol,and will play around high/ultra at 1920x1080 on a 47" )

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InsidiouSFoX wrote :

"may the CUDA be with you..." ahaha
i cant wait to start up Swtor when this is all done. thx for all the help mal,paper,everyone else...
"It obvious that OP is open to suggestions beings he states a budget of $200"
yes i am open to other suggestions just after a decent talk with my buddy it boiled down to these two for what i wanted/needed...(roughly 2yr life,wont blow up my pc lol,and will play around high/ultra at 1920x1080 on a 47" )


SWTOR like Radeon cards FYI

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and if anyone is wondering the store im shopping at thats in my city is memoryexpress.com throw out any suggestions from there if u like.

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OP: I personally love my MSI Twin Frozen GTX460. I currently have it overclocked above the 560 factory superclocked versions (a 560 is just an optimized/overclocked 460, so I believe you can compare clock speeds directly.) For your information I can run Skyrim with default textures at 60fps easily. With Battlefield 3 I get 35-45fps on high graphics settings, and 55-65 on medium settings. (I have a OC'd Q6600 at 3.0Ghz, and 4GB DDR2 ram.)

In my opinion grabbing a overclocked/superclocked version of a 460 or 560, and then overclocking the crap out of it seems like a good plan. The OC/SC cards in general have better coolers on them, allowing you to reach higher overclocks.

Since they are "dual slot" cards, they will take up two slots in the back of your case, the one in line with the PCI-E slot and the one below it. This also means that it will take up some extra room below the PCI-E slot on the motherboard, meaning you may not have room for a PCI card directly below it(I'm not sure your motherboard layout).

EDIT:
I just checked the website you linked, it looks like it only sells the weaker 192 bit GTX 460's. I'm retracting my recommendation of those 460's at least. You want the 256 bit one.

If we have to hold to a $160 budget for the graphics card from memory express, the best I see is the Gigabyte 6850 for $140. If you are willing to bump up to $170, the Asus 6850 becomes an option (it isn't quite as fast, but I feel more comfortable buying Asus than Gigabyte, I personally have had bad luck with Gigabyte products). Their is a Gigabyte 560 available for $170 as well.

Really I think you would be happy with any of those, any of them are going to be a huge jump in performance.

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why are you stuck on the GTX 460 if he says he can't get one....?
I'm not and moved on.
riddle me that Batman.?

 

as for the modular and GPU for under $200, well maybe not or maybe close.


Message edited by malmental on 02-09-2012 at 10:22:31 PM
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AxemanACL wrote :

OP: I personally love my MSI Twin Frozen GTX460. I currently have it overclocked above the 560 factory superclocked versions (a 560 is just an optimized/overclocked 460, so I believe you can compare clock speeds directly.) For your information I can run Skyrim with default textures at 60fps easily. With Battlefield 3 I get 35-45fps on high graphics settings, and 55-65 on medium settings. (I have a OC'd Q6600 at 3.0Ghz, and 4GB DDR2 ram.)

In my opinion grabbing a overclocked/superclocked version of a 460 or 560, and then overclocking the crap out of it seems like a good plan. The OC/SC cards in general have better coolers on them, allowing you to reach higher overclocks.

Since they are "dual slot" cards, they will take up to slots in the back of your case, the one in line with the PCI-E slot and the one below it. This also means that it will take up some extra room below the PCI-E slot on the motherboard, meaning you may not have room for a PCI card directly below it(I'm not sure your motherboard layout).


I like the way you think, look at my configuration list.... ;)
waiting for GTX 660 Ti's personally.

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InsidiouSFoX wrote :

and if anyone is wondering the store im shopping at thats in my city is memoryexpress.com throw out any suggestions from there if u like.


Or you going to Memory cause you can drive there and get her all done in a day cause if NCIX is near you or you can wait for the shipping NCIX has better pricing and selection but Memory Express is all good to I shopped there in Edmonton North and South many times it's my favorite store LOL.

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PaperBoy. Those benchmarks you linked. I'd like to know how someone managed to get an EVGA GTX460 to o/c to 895/1023. It must get hot as hell!

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DelroyMonjo wrote :

PaperBoy. Those benchmarks you linked. I'd like to know how someone managed to get an EVGA GTX460 to o/c to 895/1023. It must get hot as hell!


Which one I linked a 6850 Cyclon Radeon not GTX 460

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DelroyMonjo wrote :

PaperBoy. Those benchmarks you linked. I'd like to know how someone managed to get an EVGA GTX460 to o/c to 895/1023. It must get hot as hell!



My MSI twinforzen II GTX460 is overclocked to 900/1050, and never gets above 62C, when running at 100%. The fan never gets above 50% for me. Granted it is a beast of a cooler.

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PaperBoy wrote :

Or you going to Memory cause you can drive there and get her all done in a day cause if NCIX is near you or you can wait for the shipping NCIX has better pricing and selection but Memory Express is all good to I shopped there in Edmonton North and South many times it's my favorite store LOL.



haha yea basically its easy and they are decently cheap(my fav store too lol) im planning to buy it there and my friend is going to put it all together for me while i watch and hopefully learn...but the research is very tedious so i came here.

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I play SW:TOR with 2 GTX-460 (1gig) in SLI and I run everything on ultra with zero lag.

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