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I just setup my water cooling system and was wondering something. I have a flow meter in my loop and it's connected to my fan controller. Is there a formula or information that will tell me the equivalent between RMPs to GPM? Not sure if my pump setting is high enough. Thanks

Also, I'm noticing condensation building on my reservoir. The water level in my 250mm res is about 3/4 of the way up and the condensation is on just a portion of the non-water area. Any remedy or will it go away in time?


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Add more water to fill the reservoir closer to 90% or more full. Otherwise, no, this will likely be an issue, especially when ambient is much cooler than your loop delta.

 

Sorry- need to address your first question. There isn't really a simple way to calculate flow meter revs into flow rate as the meter itself can be misleading depending on how much resistance it creates or how it utilizes the flow to create the meter movement. Just curious- what flow meter do you have in your loop that can be connected to a fan controller? Did the guide not come with a calculation tool (that I would assume their engineers would have created specifically for that flow meter)?

 

Check into this flow calculation tool from Martin of Martin's Liquid Lab (http://martinsliquidlab.org/)

 

Martin's Liquid Lab Pump/Radiator Optimizer Worksheet


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I have the Koolance INS-FM17N Coolant Flow Meter with the Koolance Flow Meter Frequency Adapter. The adapter plugs right into one of my fan controller fan ports. Neither can with any instructions as you could understand considering most companies take to save money. However, the pdf can be found on their site and really says nothing. Water temp is showing 24-25c with block temps at low to mid 30s at minimal use. So I guess my flow is good.

I knew the loop would be hotter than the ambient temp but not enough to cause condensation. However, I just realized that I have a fan running directly across the front of the res. Now I know why the condensation is only located on just one side of the res. Guess I'll have to decide whether to reverse the fan's direction or not.

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Well, you have to consider that the water temps are going to be a tad bit warmer inside than the external side of your rad...I'm thinking that the turbulence in your res might be adding to the vaporization of the water a bit but the fan blowing directly on the res is probably cooling it enough to cause this effect.

What kind of output reading do you get from the fan controller?

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I'm running two MCP655 with speed control. They are running in tandem for redundancy. Can't afford my system being down. Because the pump setting numbers are marked wrong, I believe the current pump settings are at somewhere around 2 or 3. My controller is showing RPMs of around 2000.

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So, the fan controller is reading your pump speeds as well as the RPMs of the flow meter? Just trying to visualize that.

As for flow...dual D5's should be a ton of flow, even when running at lower speeds.

I've been running a single D5 for about 6 years or so, and the single pump on setting 5 pushes excellent flow rates through my loop of CPU block, dual GPU blocks, reservoir and dual MCR320 rads. Of course, reservoirs and radiators are some of the least restrictive components in a loop, so you really should only be concerned about blocks and overly restrictive tubing bends or fittings.

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The fan controller doesn't see pump speed just the RMPs, which is around 2000 RPMs based on the current pump speed settings. I'm running both D5s at around 2 or 3. I'm running almost the same components as you but with two D5s; CPU block, dual GPU blocks, res, 1 MCR320, and 1 MCR240.

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Laing D5's are pretty robust- as are all their pumps. Running 2 is overkill, but overkill is just-about-right-kill when it comes to watercooling. I know that if you have the MCP655-b it runs at about speed '4' when compared to a MCP655-vario which runs at speeds '1 through 5'.

I have run mine at 5 since day one and never looked back- although yours is slower speed, but the head pressure will be greater at any given speed since you are running serial. Just make sure you change both speeds to be as 1:1 as possible so your flow rates aren't interrupted by mismatched flow.

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RPMs aside, what water temp show I be concerned with. I'm running both a flow monitor and a water temp probe. My controller allows me to set up alarms for both flow stoppage (fan at 0) and temp. Current water temp is around 26c but not sure what the panic state would be.

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Ah, now you're starting to talk in terms of delta; I like it. Load water temps around 26C are pretty good- I've been seeing those at loads on my new build...25-28C or so, depending on how long I've had the rig running and how warm the office ambient is. I have temp probes on my incoming radiator tank to check temps on the water temp before it hits the rad, and then on the exit tank of my 2nd rad to see what exit temps are; usually it's within 2-3C of one another, and the outlet within 3-5C of ambient, which is pretty good.

Now, that being said, I would suggest a couple options. If you run RealTemp or CoreTemp, they both have the ability to run a shutdown script (usually packaged with the monitoring software) to shutdown your system if the temps being monitored reach a specific threshold. This is what I do, as my controller doesn't allow programmable alarms for temps (but I wish it did). I highly recommend this for most people running watercooling- it eliminates the need for a flow meter (which I don't recommend anyway). However, you have the ability to monitor your water temps using a thermal probe (on my to-do list). Again, 26C is pretty good, so no worries there. On the label of the D5, I think it mentions not to exceed water temperatures of 60 or 65C, so you have plenty of wiggle room, there. I would say a limit of 40-45C would be a good place to start, but this might be something you play around with. I wouldn't be comfortable with actual water temps being that warm, but you're still safe at those temps.

Always remember- software monitoring temps are not the same as actual water temps. If you run 100% load on your hardware for say, an hour or two and you experience sustained software temps close to your actual water temps, then your loop is close to it's threshold capacity in terms of heat dissipation.

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