NVIDIA's GeForce 9 also hit by failures? (Shocking)

This doesn't look good for Nvidia at all....defective hardware. Shame on Nvidia...shame on them tut tut.

Artice: http://www.electronista.com/articl [...] .failures/
Related Article: http://www.electronista.com/articl [...] .gpu.risk/

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Old news but i tend to think.

Due to the syntax that thunderman uses, together with the style of the posts.

Is thunderman a chinese gold farmer-bot ? Even the name resembles something from the manga scene.
I wonder.

x3 is defective?????
and the bug that plagued x4 only hung the system on rare occasions when they where clocked at high frequency......
nvidia chips is said to crack or something that would make them useless......

Technically the x3 is defective since their made from x4 dies and my 9600gt & 8500gt are still happily running

Manga is Japanese...has nothing to do with China...


But yeah,Thunderman is definitely one of the most biased people I know on here.

seeing how this information does come from the inquirer, i would take this with a grain of salt. they may have been right about the G84/G86 parts being defective, but for all other gpu's made after that to be defective as well is a bit hard to believe. i don't think nvidia could let such a major flaw slip through to the 8800GT/GTS 512 and the geforce 9/200 series as well.

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inqu [...] -parts-bad

hmm thats funny.
The new bump material, eutectic tin-lead, is not allowed in the EU anymore, since june 2006, as a part of the RoHS directive. You might have noticed the RoHS stickers on new consumer electronics products recently (even in the global market...).
I think they might have originally meant eutectic tin-silver-copper (Sn/3.0Ag/0.5Cu or there abouts)

I'm not sure this means that the GeForce 8 and 9 series cards are defective. techreport.com had a poll running a couple weeks ago asking if their visitors 9 series cards had failed and few of them had problems (not that that's a great representative sample though).

I could be wrong, sure, but it seems more likely it was just easier for nVidia to exchange the older material for new material on all their manufacturing processes rather than just the ones effected by the failing chips.

my 9600gt is running strong oc'd and heavy gaming, I have plenty of friends with geforce 8/9 series cards and a couple even with the mobile ones and none of them have failed.

Even if the Nvidia cards are defective, many Nvidia vendors offer lifetime warranty, so I don't see any reason to panic unless you V-modded the card or something.

Well at least they finally released the Tjmax on the 45nm cpus.

if you go back i think it was the Pentium 1 or 2 that if adding up numbers in a certain way would crash but intel offered to replace those bad chips or AMD with there TLB errata all right they sold them to OEMs but they never sold them to us,
its the mark of a company how they deal with there problems not just do an emu and stick its head in the sand, i for one will not buy of a company that acts that way but if you want to be a sheep baa to you

It took them some time, but theyve responded. nVidia has responded as well, tho this problem is much more dire. Becausre theyve changed the bump, when they found a problem in 1 area, it only makes sense to carry out the solution to all units. This shouldnt make all units suseptable tho. DT so far semms ok, but laptops have shown problems, and always will present a higher thermal problem

so ur saying its ok for nvidia to sell the defective GPUs to us as long as they clear there stock

my 9800 XT is still runnig would that be a bonus?

Id keep an eye on that 9800, and thats no joke. Talk to Maziar about his

LOL I do feel bad about it tho. Hes at school now, bought the thing overseas (had an uncle buy it) and is really stuck as theres no Dell outlet in his country or something of the sort

I still don't quite get the big issue with those defective chips, besides the big mob outside nVidias lawn.

I mean, let's be fair here. Like previous posters have stated, almost all chipsets/pricessors and chips in general come out with bugs that MUST be reported, so this fuss about nVidias chips sounds like a big soap opera from Venezuela (and i like them, lol).

If u have a defective chip, what does it make to your rig? Does the video card fries with no apparent reason? Does it get glitches with normal temps? Do other components start to phail when paired to that defective video card? All of the above? lol

Esop!

There is a big difference between the already mentioned AMD and Intel bugs and this one. So the thermal sensor doesn't work correctly, or there is some extreme math bug that gives you a wrong answer if you do some weird math. (or locks up your computer if you happen to hit some TLB bug.) Even if you hit one of these bugs, your system will continue to work. Nvidia's problem isn't so much a bug, but bad manufacturing. Apparently the solder used isn't up to the heat that a GPU can make, so it will physically come apart. When this happens, your video card is dead.

What I find more disturbing is Nvidia's response to this problem. Intel had a math problem, and pulled the CPUs. AMD had a TLB problem, and stopped selling them to most people. Both of these responses are "good", as it stops any farther damage to the company. Nvidia on the other hand feels its ok to continue to sell them until inventory is cleared. In my opinion its ok to have bugs/issues with your product, you can never really be 100% sure about anything. But to continue to sell something that is known to be bad, that is something else entirely.

But hey, thats the way your meant to be played. So I guess it's ok?

The problem is this. We dont have the numbers. nVidias promised to "fix" the problems. I know a 2% failure rate on certain products , in some scenarios is the achieved goal, anything higher and its a failure, higher than that and its a recall. Maybe they havnt reached recall numbers?

jaydeejohn i value ur opinion but it is nvidia we are talking about

Im giving them the benefit of doubt to be sure. If theyre paying out rope, they could end up hanging themselves. I dont give em a pass, as I said earlier, if I were buying a mobile/lappy today, it wouldnt have nVidia in it at all

There you go.

I understand better the issue with the cards and it really sucks. I don't want to live with worries about my card failing on me on any given time.

Anyway, thanks for explaining it 4745454b!

Esop!

Rather then just shaking something at me, would you kindly tell us what its made from then? The forum post might have been wrong, he did say something about that solder makeup made no sense.