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dattimr
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n°1863495
09-30-2008 at 07:29:48 PM

Too bad. Another discussion ended becuase of fanboy voting. Waaa.


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n°1863506
09-30-2008 at 08:34:58 PM

Even if this is true, they won't take the lead, though they will finally have a good strong competitor to intel's Q9000 series quads if this is the case. I'd love to see them take the lead as much as anyone, but I don't see it happening with this revision. This could definitely start to close the gap though.

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n°1863509
09-30-2008 at 08:39:36 PM

Well the AMD has have been too optimistic sometimes... But, when they have compared to their own older products, the numbers have been in line of their claims. But offcource this is from inquirer, not official...

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n°1863510
09-30-2008 at 08:41:41 PM

I just hope to see AMD competitive. It does everyone good to have them putting out quality products.

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n°1863521
09-30-2008 at 09:07:34 PM

Even with this advance, AMD is likely to fall even further behind.

The reason is Intel's forthcoming server line will have significantly improved memory performance due to adding the IMC and switching to DDR3.

Intel was way ahead in processing power, but in very memory intense functions such as an ESX Virtual Server, AMD did pull ahead.

However, Intel will likely claim the memory performance lead.
The Improved CPU performance for AMD would only close the gap they had with Intel's previous generation chips, but would still lag perhaps even further behind the upcoming server chips.

Right now, we buy AMD Servers for our VMWare ESX Server farm, but Intel for most other jobs. I suspect that in 3-6 months, we will be all Intel for our servers.

It's nice to see AMD progressing, but instead of getting there in Q1 '09, they needed to be there in Q2/Q3 '06.


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n°1863522
09-30-2008 at 09:08:23 PM

dattimr wrote :

Well, actually, it's not from The Inquirer, but from CNET news. Even Daily Tech reported it: http://www.dailytech.com/Shanghai+ [...] e13090.htm



Yes, but it's from an interview with an AMD GM.

This could be very good for AMD in the server space, but remember Randy Allen's claims of 40% over Cloverton? Of course, Mr. Plata is comparing with Barcelona, this time around, and not the competition. So, hopefully, it does what is being claimed.


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n°1863523
09-30-2008 at 09:26:01 PM

Show it, don't tell it. ;)


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n°1863528
09-30-2008 at 09:51:32 PM

We can only hope AMD can pull all this off. However, many of us don't put much stock in what AMD says since their last major launch.

If AMD returns to being competitive with Intel consumers stand to win big time.


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n°1863530
09-30-2008 at 09:54:34 PM

Whatever AMD releases, it has to be a quad core that performs better than a Q6600 at 3 GHz for $189 AND put out less heat which shouldn't be hard. Otherwise they are still up **** creek. We won't see any of that from AMD until closer to christmas for desktop parts but at least we get an idea soon.


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09-30-2008 at 09:58:31 PM

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and that my friends is all I have to say about that..... :D


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n°1863534
09-30-2008 at 10:01:35 PM

^+1

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n°1863566
10-01-2008 at 01:28:15 AM

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-10054038-64.html

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As a result, the schedule for Shanghai has been pulled in. "Originally the plan was that Shanghai would launch in Q1 of '09 and we were able to pull that into Q4," according to Patla, adding that the product will not only be announced in the fourth quarter but vendors will be shipping servers in the fourth quarter.

"We're in full production right now in the factory," he said. "People will start getting first silicon from the final production very shortly."

Patla asserted that Shanghai is a "very power efficient product" and will perform much better than Barcelona because the smaller 45-nanometer process yields "a lot more (clock) frequency."

At the same frequency (speed), Shanghai will outperform Barcelona by about 20 percent, Patla said.

AMD is also boosting the size of the cache memory, which typically speeds performance, from 2 megabytes to 6 megabytes. Another speed improvement will come from increasing "instructions per clock," Patla said.

"We're also turning on HT3 (HyperTransport 3) and you'll see partners start to validate that in the Q1 time frame," Patla said. HyperTransport is a high-speed communication link technology between silicon.

Shanghai will be followed by a 45-nanometer desktop processor code-named Deneb, which is due to launch in the fourth quarter of this year or first quarter of 2009, AMD said.

In the fourth quarter of 2009, AMD will add a six-core processor. "We'll take what we've learned from our 45-nanometer process and Shanghai core and bring out an Istanbul six-core product," Patla said. Like Shanghai, this will be targeted at servers with up to eight processor sockets.



Better to hear it from an engineer than the AMD marketing dept (unless the engineer is Casey Jones :ouch: )

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n°1863580
10-01-2008 at 02:06:06 AM

Hope somebody gets one and "leaks" its performance


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n°1863582
10-01-2008 at 02:19:21 AM

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In the fourth quarter of 2009, AMD will add a six-core processor. "We'll take what we've learned from our 45-nanometer process and Shanghai core and bring out an Istanbul six-core product," Patla said. Like Shanghai, this will be targeted at servers with up to eight processor sockets.



This is my favorite part. They have barely had much more than 6 month to tinker with their 45nm process and they think they have learned a lot from it? They haven't had it long enough to have learned a lot from it. That and they have yet to see it in the public hands which is much different from their controled labs.

Well still feels like hype. The few Deneb benchmarks I have seen don't show 20% over Phenom clock per clock. But maybe in server they will be able to increase memory bandwidth 20% and give a boost in performance there.


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