It's been almost a week since ATI has released HD4850 and Tomshardware is the only site that hasn't published a review. Instead, they have published 3 to 4 subjects about NVIDIA and how great their cards are, one of them talking about how NVIDIA smokes 3DMark scores with their last driver:

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/N [...] ,5725.html

But they "forget" to mention that the driver isn't 3DMark certified as it is clearly violates the rules set by 3DMark:

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inqu [...] 3dmark-177

Don't they want to inform their readers about ATI HD4850? If you're watching the site's subjects closely you can see there are other examples of such behavior as well. Am I the only one thinking that Tomshardware is loosing its reliability? So, what do you think, should www.Tomshardware.com be renamed to www.Toms_way_its_meant_to_be_played.com ?

No, I agree with you. It seems since this make over and new management, many things have taken a turn for the worse. Editing/proof-reading is the most noticeable, to me at least. The tone of some of the articles has changed from a more 'reporting' approach to an almost fan-boy approach. It's too bad, I have always valued the opinion and the information I found on Toms. Now I am beginning to reconsider that.

@ OP: You are a fool.

Tom's Hardware did not give the GTX 200 series praise. They were very critical of the price, noise level, and power consumption. Read the whole article before your criticize.

There is a good chance Tom's Hardware is waiting until the 4870 is available to them so they can review them both at the same time.

If you don't like Tom's Hardware, then don't post here.

If you don't like people posting something negative about your dear toms then don't post in their thread!

I agree with tseska69's point. I have been noticing grammar errors as well. That part of Tom's does need improvement.

Maybe they are inept at spelling and grammar, but that does not make them a fanboy.

The Inquirer is bad. Lets face it intergrated PhysX, with Dx10.1 will be next top end and neither can make it happen yet. Both ATI and Nvidia failed this round.

Thank you for characterizing me...

Now about your answer, as you should know there isn't such thing as bad advertising....

I like Tom's Hardware, but i don't like these signs of loosing its liability. It looks like I am not the only one.

Hoked on fonics wukred fur them? OH NOES I misspelled!!! Does that make me an Nvidia fanboi now?

Toms hardware because the software sucks

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/H [...] ,5702.html

The NDA was not lifted until last Thursday, and even that was only a partial release, detailed specs were not allowed to be discussed.

Its called a news cycle people, nVidia owned last weeks, ATI will own this weeks. Get over it.

Umm guy the fact is that everyone else has given full reviews on the 4850 for some time now and Tom's still hasn't even given a single look at it. You can cite the NDA argument all you want but nothing speaks louder than proof.

You're pretty dumb if you can't see that Tom's has an Nvidia bias. Of course they gave an honest review of the GTX 200 series, how could they give any other when benchmarks don't lie? So, since the point of this thread went completely over your head, we're talking about the fact that for every one ATI story there's something like five Nvidia stories - this did not start last week FYI and no other sites have this same tendency that Tom's does. For every mediocre Nvidia review they give, they produce three other Nvidia stories that make them look damn good. Are you seeing a pattern here?'

Wake up.

In Tom's's defense I must say that the -real- NDA doesn't expire until Wednesday, and until then all they can legitimately give us are performance "previews" and a few other tidbits that we could gather ourselves if we had the card in our hands.

I bet they decided that instead of fooling around with AMD's half NDA garbage they would just wait until Wednesday and post a complete review.

Still, a nice little preview of the card wouldn't have hurt anything...

Not exactly B-Unit.
When there are a lot of reviews all over the web (including from sites like anandtech and guru3d) isn't such a behaviour from Tom suspicious? Were they waiting for 9800GTX+ to get in public to spoil ATI's release? You see there was time to spread the news about how the new un-approved (and never to be approved) driver "smokes" 3DMark scores and not enough time to review HD4850 (hey, it's only four days since it has been released, those other sites must have the ultra fast reviewers to get those reviews in time).

maybe they don't want to post a review without detailed technical specs? or they are just being lazy and their 4850 is still in the box? there are always other possiblities (though i doubt the latter), but your view may be true

How does that work?

Why is the site worthy of criticism, however the critic is not?

Dude, can't have it both ways.

I think the OP's making mountains out of molehills and potentially off his meds, but so be it.

I'm not looking for the fluff benchies that I've seen on every single other site, I'm looking for the in depth review that no one is posting until the full NDA lifts.

Beyond3D still doesn't have their RV770 review up, The TechReports is nothing more than a handufl of benchies (much less than they usually use), to me that's a stronger indication of the state of the launch than that some people have a coupla benchmarks at a few resolutions up with little more to say look at our benchies, we think it good/bad.

Considering the number of contradictory early reviews out there, I don't care if there's no equivalent fluff piece on Tom's, and I don't really care what on the front page news either.
Now once the review finally comes out, that's when I'll decide about the objectivity of those involved.

Lars wrote a whole article on this BS with changing launch dates, and I tend to agree with it's basic premise that it's better to try to get it right than to only try to get it first.

The "review" at Anandtech is a preview.I suspect Tom's is waiting for the actual card release where they won't have there hands tied by the nda that is still partially in effect.Sure it would have been nice if they had a look at the 4850 already,but they don't.The whole "Suprise we are gonna sorta launch our cards 5 days early because some euro etailers got jumpy!!!" caught alot of sites off gaurd.Including AMD's own site lol,try and find a mention of the 4850 on there own site.


http://ati.amd.com/products/index.html

http://www.unleashonetera.com/

It's true original Tom's articles were far superior. He was a geek at another level. Now it's just commercialized like zdnet.

He said on their own site, not on a PR site.

Once again showing not a unified front, as by your arguing they should be everywhere you lookf for them or else someone is cheating / playing favourties.