Nehalem SuperPi score: this time it's real!

Cant wait for the G280 superpi results

Unfortunately Superpi is single-threaded and inefficient. Should have tried wPrime

CPU-Z needs to be updated to read the vcore correctly.

I hit 18.812 seconds on the 1M. Q6600 @ 3.0GHZ

I would love to see the score of that CPU when OC'd.

At least they both have competitive products.

People don't like Nvidia because they aren't very innovative. 2 years later and we are only now seeing something other than a G80 refresh.

Hey, and actually paying for the purevideo app does suck...but I am not a home theater fanatic, so it wasn't a big deal for me feature wise.

Something like video playback should always first be considered in a higher card

The 8800's didn't need an update for those 2 years. Nothing challenged the cards except Crysis and that was it. The competition had nothing to even compete with. So, Why not work on a brand new GPU and leave the 8800's out for the time being.

Nvidia is playing it smart. I have an 8800 Ultra and even now I can play all the games on the market at high frames. 2+ years its been out, and it still plays all of todays games

Tells ya something.

I think Nvidia wanted to get in early with the performance king and worry about additional features later. It may annoy some people, but from a market opportunity perspective it was the right choice IMO.

jaydeejohn, Core 2 Duo was launched June 2006, Core 2 Quad in November 2006.

@jaydeejohn Yes but since then Intel has released the 45nm Core 2 Duos and Quads bring down the prices of the 65nm chips quite drastically and offering lower temps, better performance at lower clocks and better energy effiency.

Most importantly regards of the 45nm node Intel still brought their prices down.

All Im saying is, Intel hasnt done more than nVidia regarding their own products within the same timeframe

Yeah, I'm really looking forward to seeing the full benches for the new ATI and NVidia cards. Can't be long now!

Possibly. And theres been some words in that direction regarding Nehalem because of AMDs lack of competition as well. Who really knows, Im just sayong what Ive seen in the market to date regarding both Intel and nVidia, as to what we have currently, and how its gone, not why

More than likely true about the release dates. I just dont think its right to discount what nVidias done, and praise Intel, when essentually theyve both done pretty much the same thing, fo whatever reasons

The release pricing of the C2Ds was very good also. I undertand what youre saying, I agree for the most part, it was the celeron thing mostly. Anyways, itll be interesting to see what gpus can do in superpi, and against each other as well. Maerket driven is what we saw in the gpus. Intels pricing? Market share? Again, who knows, but it would have been better for AMD to have the pricing higher, or left where it was at, tho then Intel wouldve had a hard time entering into mainstream with C2D. Like I said, its all to the markets, what they can handle. Looks like, if you truly have a great discrete gpu, you can make some serious money, thus Larrabee?

As is the marraige of VIA and nVidia, and fusion as well. I think cpus will be limited by the use of gpus doing more, better and faster. Put it all together, cpus can concentrate more on what they do best, and do it better, just like gpus are doing now. This is something Im not sure Intel is being honest with right now. They know it, I know it, alot do. So itll only get better from here

Just like superpi was only cpu used. We will see video encoding on gpu soon. Therell be others as well. This is growth, better faster. This software to run these things is easier than multithreading in 86. Otherwise it wouldnt be at our doorstep so quickly. Give it time, as we will all benefit from this. Thats why Intel is heading in this direction.

E6600 @ 3200/1600 gets 15 seconds flat (XP), and 20 seconds at stock (2400/1066)

Although SuperPi is a single core/threaded benchmark it can give us an indication as to how well it can crunch numbers (unoptimized for SSE and other features etc) per core etc, compared to its predecessors, but as an overall benchmark its not that great - only Intel fanboys supply SuperPi scores because they always work out better on an Intel, as a benchmark comparing say core revisions, its great.

The score and improvement is great considering the architecture hasnt really changed process wise (from the benchmarks we have seen) apart from the cache structure and IMC (and with that the FSB/connectivity)

Another factor we have to remember is power efficency - we've seen AMD come from DDR1 to DDR2 with improved power figures, now Intel is replacing its ancient FSB design which is probably responsible for poor power figures trying to maintain high frequencies it prolly wasn't designed for in the first place (1600+), and now to a new design, but then again perhaps it may consume more power too.

Comparing a GPU to a CPU is like comparing a human to a calculator - the calculator doesnt have enough power to figure out human movement, sight, smell, touch, logic, balance which for us is everyday nothing, yet a calculator can figure out 435.34 + 56664.96 x 0.23 in a split second which takes the average human 10,000 times longer to figure - does that make us 10,000 times weaker then a calculator? Hell no.

Human brain, heh. Add emotions and choices to a robot with an Intel/AMD chip and our brain will be obsolete.

Anywho, with Nvidias pricing it seems insane, but back when I decided to save for a new Gcard, and bout the Ultra, it was pricy. But when I played my graphic intesive games and they ran smooth, and even to this day all games run smooth, I don'tm regret it at all. I will have this card running games nicely for another year or so easily. So, spending 600 and running the same card for years in my mind is worth it.

Also, with GPU's, if it can run everything smoothly, without a hitch, over 60 FPS, why bring a new card out? Sure, you could pump a card out to do 150+ fps but why?

Hence why GPU companies can take their time, because GPU's are designed mainly for 1 thing, games. If they run smooth, that is it. When Competition grows, then they make new. If games get stronger then they release better.

As for CPU's they do more, and there is always room for improvement.

blah blah blah i'm rambling now lol

They could have made it rectangular, but noooo. Intel must have a bunch of immature 1st year marketing students.

No, its actually the guys who just bought Radeon 38XX or Geforce 98XX, that just got shafted since they are buying old technology on the heels of new architectures that are to make their lines obsolete.

Us folks who bought 8800GTX's and such almost TWO years ago and can still push over 18,000 in 3Dmark06 and walk all over just about any new card released since then are the ones who have gotten MORE than our moneys worth. Pure Video, whatever dude, blueray players are for watching movies not your PC.

The old GTX and Ultra are still King.

I can't believe the n00bs don't realise they just bought a cheaper GPU on a process shrink with less memory bandwidth.

The newer NV cards are cheap imitations of the original GTX and Ultra.

The 8800GT dies in the A$$ on hot days becaus they run too hot and have cheap (insufficient) single slot coolers.

Those who bought the 8800GTX and (to a lesser extent the Ultra) two years ago still have the best cards.

NV has done nothing innovative in 2 years bar shmooz the losers who look at the pictures on the box of the brand new card they bought.

But those of you with a brain already know that.

The last two years for NV has been all about making the chip cheaper to produce and leverage increased profits.

While ATI have bumbled about a bit ... thats another bedtime story.

P.S. What was that fake superPII about again?

When I bought my GT with a dual slot cooler it cost R2500 (about $333) while the cost about R7000(just shy of $1000) so the question becomes did I waste my money or make a good decision? Hell the when I bought my 19inch monitor a 24inch monitor easily cost upward of R6000 but on the 19inchs that are more affordable (read 1/3 of the price) my GT will go head to head with an Ultra and do well.

Not everybody has tons of money to spend on those cards or monitors that actually allow them to show their superiority.