For everyone to know.. Firingsquad and everyone else has these processors real benchmarks under real conditions.


No one plays as 1200 resolution anymore.. I play at 1600 or 1900 on my Hdtv . if I do play at 1280 its because of low. The phenom gives the same performance as the top of the line 9770 from intel .


intel does beat amd in Valves multicore particle simulation by 20fps wich makes me wana buy a q6600. apperantly true quadcore didnt help amd oh well .

15% slower but 15% less expensive .. hhmmm the particle simulation was run at lower res though so at 1600 they will probably even out even though it cost less and I dont have to buy new Motherboard wich is the upside.

amd also has to release its quadcore driver for windows and no ones knows if thats going to boost the performance to what it was ment to be. wich was 25% faster than intel . on apps ya but not on fps.


Maybe amd should stop playing kids games and just go for 2mb of l2 cache and then it can compete


for crysis benchmakrs high and low res hardocp.com
valves multicore firingsquad


remember that if amd goes bankrupt intel wont have any competition and therefore take years for cpu advancement . the reason we are here now is because amds low priced athlon series that gave us great fps . and when atlon 64 came out intel was sweating it big time so they worked hard and the the core2 duos at low price.. if it was not for amd intel would not be at this point.. Amd has to surpas intel inorder for us to get better technology

Push up the resolution and even a Sempron won't be far off. Making these gaming tests more CPU-limited tells people that even the Q6600 will be faster than a Phenom 9600; regardless of the GPU used and will benefit more from a future video card upgrade.

The Q6600 also uses less power and overclocks more.

Doubt drivers will have any impact. And it was obvious from early on, when AMD refused to release relevant benchmarks that Barcelona didn't have the core power to take on Conroe/Kentsfield.

From the FiringSquad review:

And like accord99, once you start pushing the resolution on games, it becomes more a bottleneck at the GPU, than the CPU.

None of the reviews I have seen has shown the Phenom being the close competitor to Intel's current offering of the Q6600, not to even mention the upcoming Yorksfield/Penryn based CPUs, which is supposedly faster than Intel's current Quads.

That gives rise to the converse argument: Why get a $300 Phenom at all when a $100 x2 4800+ or dual-core E2180 gives you the same frame rates at that kind of resolution? (Change to $200 chip if you do use heavyweight GPUs.)

Agree 100%

For GAMING at high res's you are better off with a good graphics card than a good processor to begin with.

I'd rather compare WinRARs, Encodes, and Render benchmarks.

Kind of pointless to compare it in an arena that 90% of the people who would use it will be bottlenecked by the GPU.

Pretty sure Phenom will overclock higher then Q6600

Wanna bet?

Anand couldn't overclock it pass 2.6GHz without losing stablilty.

Yes, there has been reports of the 9700 being pushed to 3.2 on air, but the Q6600 has hit 3.6 on air. And, the 9700 has been delayed until Q1'08, so you lose that "extra" 100MHz starting point.
I haven't heard or seen how far the 9600 has been overclocked too, but I doubt it will surpass the Q6600.

B3 Phenom vs G0 Q6600 will be a fun showdown.

B3 Phenom vs Penryn will be another story.

Ummm a X4 goes from 2.4 up to a 3.0 for "select" chips while a G0 Q6600 can go from 2.4 to 3.6 on air.

Don't know about you guys, but it looks to me like AMD is still being pwnd by intel. Phenom was supposed to be thier saving grace, but its just a mid range processor with a mid range price.

Amd said they will release a black edition of the phenom...That will OC really far. What you didn't seem to get is anandtech OC'd by fsb. With unlocked multiplier; Phenom will get to 3.0Ghz all day long, on air too, no doubt about it. But it will not go as high as Q6600 quiet yet; however with new stepping, that may not be the case...

AMD's secret weapon the Black Edition

Apparently you don't understand economics....creating an ultra high-end product that hardly anyone will buy would hardly save them. No, midrange is right where they need to be if they want to survive long enough to even come close to the top. Look at the HD 3870. It is selling out like crazy on every major retailer; but it get restocked almost every day, sometimes more than once a day. 8800gt beats it, but it sells out, and 5 weeks later, it's back in stock. The ATi chip is a little slower, a TON cheaper, and has high availability. So ATi is slaughtering nVidia in sales this holiday season. And yet it is a midrange card....just might be AMD's "saving grace". Think about it...