First of all I would like to appoligize for my bad English.

There is nowhere where this thread really belongs or gets enough attention so I'll just post it here. Srry for that. Let's see how long it last hehe as it's not really in favour of the anti Apple people.
Many people (me included) love this site for what it brings when it comes to hardware benchmarks and certain other reviews.
This opinion has changed for me in the past year as Tomshardware is constantly bashing Apple all the way while I don't see any reason why. There are postive things as well?
Like Vista is great all the way? Don't make me laugh, ever asked yourself why you never hear anything about this anymore? I wonder why, $$$? If this money story is true than how reliable are reviews on this site afterall if money is involved?
Don't start please, I don't even know for sure if this is the case but I just find the way Tomshardware is posting too much anti Apple news bad (non professional) enough allready. They don't provide an oppertunity for people who own MACS to discuss this on their Forum as they are the ones who can provide the real facts am I wrong? In my eyes this is so lame and weak. There are no words for it.
I don't own an Apple machine but still I know people who do. I've been learning to know how Apple machines work and they really are far from negative. Sure their are negative points too. But you never hear the positive side of the story on this site.
On of those is that you won't have any problems with virusses, spyware, trojans and stuff like that cause everything installed on the OS needs a password authorisation. Only when you install bad warez appz etc but that's your own mistake. Personally I think this is a great security feature that you don't hear people from Tomshardware talk about.
I really don't know why this site is so negative all the way for Apple people. Am I now an Apple fanboy too for talking like this?
I own XP and I'm having a great time with this OS so I don't understand why I should be a fanboy for the people who assume I am?

What I really want on this site is a MAC OSX forum...if it does not come here Tomshardware should not even start posting negative stuff about MAC OSX while they own a Linux forum section that is family of MAC OSX.

For the people who want to start telling that MAC OSX doesn't support gaming well guess what...this is about to change. In the past Apple told fake stories making false promises that I really think were lame but near future games like for example games running on the new ID Software (the lead founder of new technoligy in games like for example lightning) ID tech 5 engine's game called Rage. Be fair...does this game look ugly to you when you visit preview sites? It's not having lag problems or what so ever.

ps: If this anti Apple stuff is proceeding in this negative way not even allowing MAC owners to discuss the problems and finding solutions for it I'm leaving this site which was my n1 site for over 8 years behind me and move over to Anandtech.com.

May I suggest that this post would have been best posted in the site feedback section. Mac OS and Linux are not 'family of MAC OSX' for a lot of reasons so I don't think tagging the MAC OS bit on the end of this section would be of any use. If you want a Mac OS section then ask the owners not us. I have no objection to an Apple section it's just that you are in the wrong place to ask for it. There are plenty of sites dedicated to the Mac where PC users face the same hostility.

osx is actually build on bsd

man sypher you still kicking about eh. bloody trolls.

And BSD is not Linux. Apple have made a lot of modifications and whilst you can install a GNU toolkit on it and even run your own X server it is principally a commercial OS with closed source. By the same logic MS Windows TCP/IP questions should land down here as that is a BSD TCP/IP stack they built it on.

Point taken though as this section does include BSD related questions, however SyPher has been around long enough to know where to post his rant.

Can somebody delete this thread? I'm done with the MAC part. It's useless anyways to talk about it.

I don't think it's useless to talk about it. I just think you angle on this is a little off. I've been following most of the articles on THG with regards to the MAC systems, and most of their articles that have a negative view are generally negative for a reason. In the last 12 months, Apple has really been dealing some dirty deeds. Censorship on their official forums, faulty products, over priced products, bug filled OS launches (We've seen this with Windows Vista too, but Apple denies half of the issues raised).

I do agree that there should be a Mac section on these forums (Get's them outta the Linux section ) but diving in here and posting a rant in a section of the forums that already gets a low amount of traffic isn't going to help. Email a few of the moderators and request for a Mac section. I guess you could have done worse, like post in the CPU forums, where you would have been grilled, flipped, flamed and banned

lol, actually what you are trying to say is that it's a miracle I'm still here. See, there is a God. Even for the autistic people who discover their flaws a bit later at some times.

As much as I hate apple, I agree, there should probably be some sort of Mac forum here so that the apple fanboys can go and do their thing over there. I suppose it wouldn't really be hurting anyone and it would make THG a bit more diverse as it would be more of a hardware site vs an x86/windows site (it would then have a PPC/x86/MacOS section). But yeah, that post is really in the wrong forum man. Personally, if i were sypher, and i didn't know who to contact, i'd put this topic in a forum with more traffic such as the CPU forum (no offense to the other linux guys here, but we are pretty much it as far as this forum is concerned).

-Zorak

P.S I guess even in the cpu forums, despite the veritable conflagration this topic would have sparked, it would have at least generated some attention.

P.P.S. Don't give your topic name in the form of an ultimatum; (no offense intended) do you really think anyone is going to care whether you stay or leave? If you were singlehandedly providing all the hosting for the THG forums, an ultimatum like that might spark some action by THG, but since you are not even sure where to put this request, you must not be so essential to THG's operation. However, if you ask in a friendly manner for a Mac forum (instead of posting an angry rant), you just might get what you wanted after all.

edited to add the P.P.S

@Zorak - Nice points about the apple control side of things but I don't think this is anything that other companies are already doing. Vista capable anyone?

@SyPheR - Have you submitted that feature request yet or sent any PM's to the mods? As advised I don't think anybody is against the idea full stop but you may need to make a case for the powers that be.

Audiovoodoo, I am not sure what comments about apple control you are referring to (since i didn't post anything about apple in my post); perhaps you speak of previous comments i've made about apple, or in the more likely case you are referring to knightrous's post?

Anyways, I suppose you do bring up a good point about the whole windows vista capable debacle. However, I must say that I think apple gets away with a lot of **** that MS is publicly castigated for and I am tired of the double standard. I think no company should be allowed to get away with anti-competitive practices (read: vendor lock-in tactics) and censorship, and I think it is appalling that we let apple get away with so much because the public believes what apple tells them to believe about apple. If we are going to hate MS for the bad things they do, then let us not turn a blind eye to other companies that employ the same tactics.

-Zorak

Sorry Zorak that was my bad - it was actually knightrous that made the comment a couple of posts further up the thread.

You picked up exactly what I meant though and happily you see my point that really MS and Apple are both as bad as each other in many regards. That is not to say that there are not apple products out there I'd love to own.

Tom's has always been billed as an "enthusiast" site. No company (except perhaps MS) is more anti-enthusiast than Apple. The day Apple lets you install MacOS on a brand new home-built computer is the day they should be included on an enthusiast website and forum.

Apple is much more closed than even MS. At least MS gives you more freedom to install Windows than Apple does to install MacOS. If MS wanted to sell you a computer with their OS preinstalled and you could only buy MS branded computers to run Windows... there would be a huge backlash. How Apple gets away with being as closed as they are I'll never know.

I personally don't see the issue with Apples approach. It's one of the reasons they have so many positive user experinces, they take away the complexity of trying to get diverse components from a number of manufacturers working together. Granted for you and many other users this is restrictive, but for your average user, the sort that would by a pre configured Dell, HP box etc it saves them time and money. Most people just don't have the time or inclination to research, configure, update etc.

If you look at the mobile devices sector MS follows the same model as Apple, they just partner with OEM's that make and brand the devices as their own. You are still as locked in as ever. Apple have made some steps to being more open, Darwin for example allows you to run a lot of GNU tools. Is there really much of a difference between a new Vista laptop and a MacBook?

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