Getting Linux to work on a Palm Tungsten C. Any ideas? Distros? Methods? If this works out, I could do an article...

Do you mean like this?
http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin [...] stenCHowTo
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unless you try you never know ...

Yes, yes, thats it exactly. Muchos Gracias.

Finally I was able to be of assistance to someone YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Now I just have to overcome that feeling I get when I know I'm going to screw up expensive hardware...

** Passes Geeky his penguin wings **

I love this feeling - the adrenaline rush ... so alive ... so exciting...

People pay for that - they go to coasters and bungy jump
But it all happens so fast...

We have it for a few hours - and sometimes even days if we are lucky enough... but it all ends when it happens and the device connot even be used as compost for my plants...

*takes a big bite out of the left wing*
humm ... chewy isn't it?

*looks back at the wings*
I wasn't suppose to eat them - was I?

I'd have said no.. but given the activity in some 'other' places I'm not to sure :?

Here is the order of "rushes" I've seen in regards to OSS

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[*:4936f06ae6]Installing Linux and having it work on your home machine for the first time
[*:4936f06ae6]Getting all of your hardware working under Linux(1)
[*:4936f06ae6]Running into the first problem where you find the solution yourself online
[*:4936f06ae6]Running into the first problem where you find the solution by checking your logs
[*:4936f06ae6]Running into the first problem where you make the solution by writing a script/code
[*:4936f06ae6]Giving back to an OSS project
[*:4936f06ae6]Giving back to an OSS project and having your patch/code accepted
[*:4936f06ae6]Writing a kernel module for your own purposes
[*:4936f06ae6]Releasing the code for the above

(1)The new distro releases have largely mitigated this issue, however there still are the occasional piece of hardware that need a little manual setup.

I really do enjoy the community feeling here, good to see that while I was away things didn't go down the tubes, but then again I wasn't expecting them to either, the caliber of the group here really makes me enjoy coming on here and helping where I can.

if at anytime linux expects to be the "OS of the People" and replace winshit and other macshit OS the community can expect normal people to reach lvl 1 or maybe lvl 2 at best. someone with more experience would probably get to lvl 4.

Otherwise you are expecting people to be computer geeks/experts and reality is that most people want to put that disk in and play a movie, listen to music or juts play a game. That is why windshit is so damn popular.

Hopefully, pre-installed systems soon to be made by Dell, Hp and others for pc will actually give this kind of support to the end user.

Fine points, however I think that many of the points that I made cane be mirrored for Windows or Mac "power" users, and given the continually improving quality of releases and (as you stated) OEM support, I feel that, as in the Windows or Apple realm, there's an ability to avoid the levels discussed here unless you really want to delve into them.

Only my $.02

First I assumed that your points are valid (in other words I fully agree with you on the points)to Linux only -
After all you cannot write your own script to windows or Mac and I think the two would like money rather that your "contribution to the community."

Apple and Micro$oft do not want their users to write any scripts for their OS - actually - after installing their OS and the drivers in windows, your job as pc/mac user is done! Actually, you will not be able to write any script even if you want to.

I think here we all tend to take our computer skill for granted - but the fact is that most pc/mac users have no idea or whatsoever about the components of their system or how their OS works.

I work as a part time PC "technician" - 80% of the cases I get paid for are for "Fifa 2007 is not working properly or can't install" others are "I have funny windows popping up all the time"...

I read through stuff on setting up Linux for things like this. People say we should use Linux instead.. and they have no background on it. I tell them to go ahead, install it at home and let me know when they have it fully working, figuring it will take them 5 days to get it working properly without having a clue what to do.

I'm thankful Microsoft doesn't let you do this stuff with Windows. Linux is great for people doing all these little projects, but think about it.. would you really want to work in an IT where people wanted all this crap? What if your CEO came down and said you have to do this to all upper management? Do you really want to sit there doing that tedious crap?

For that, I am thankful for the limitations set forth by MS. I already hate all these small projects that users find and convince management they need.. its such a waste of my time.

OOOOOoooohhhh Chicken!
After what you said right now I am convinced you need to be fried instead of dancing.

Windows doesn't give you the ability nor the right to do the things you have paid for BIG TIME so it can squeeze in one more, two more, three more products that are sometimes useless but will cost you X3 BiG TIME!

It is impossible to find two people who are alike, there are always different needs, different use and different visions - so how come that all PSs are the same? You cant even change the damn stupid windows logo to a dancing chicken without M$ chasing your arse in court!
With Linux you have the freedom to modify anything and everything in your OS to better suit it to your personal needs - if a stripping chicken does it for you, then let it be all over the damn place!

The only problem that needs to be taken care of by the COMMUNITY (e.g. US) is to come up with a way to enable users to modify everything and anything without going into too much details while preserving the power tools (such as console).
The new distros are heading that way - and YOU DON'T NEED 5 DAYS TO SET IT UP!
Let me prophesy and say that within 5 years we will see Linux much much more, an easier to use and modify linux to the simple and professional.

As for Microsoft:
they might try and take our money&computers - but they may never take OUR FREEEDOOOOM!

Ability is great, bu its limited in the business world unfortunately.

Perfectly clear in what you state....

But mind you, you're buying Windows. As a business, I don't need to change select things. If I go into an agreement with MS, I can make those changes.

Microsoft is really basing their business on corporations and figuring home users are going to continue learning Windows and such at home.

I can't think of anything in Windows that I would like access and modify to better suit the demands of my company.. or even at home. If I want to change stupid little things like the Logo, eh.. Its a waste of time. By MS standards, changing that could be infringement on their business and might be a marketing trick or lying.. so reactivating makes business sense.

The guy who created SSL came out and said that businesses should not rely on Open Source because often the community screws up big time. I believe he said maybe 8 or 10 out of 100 Open Source programs submited to him, of the same thing, were worth working with as the others were heavily flawed.

The other thing he stated is that business driven software will be more reliable in a sense that a business is at stake. Whereas Open Source isn't business driven.

If Linux wants to take off, they need to package a well rounded system, remove the elite lines, create tools to remotely admin the desktop and lock it down, and form a business around it. It never makes sense to put this much effort into something that doesn't have a business behind it.

As least with MS, you know they will be releasing new products and trying to stay innovative because they have shareholders, etc. That's why MS is taking off, they've built a business around their software, whereas Linux doesn't have that business and Macs don't have the business because they're too proprietary.

Linux is too customizable in my opinion, whereas Macs you can't customize enough. Windows sits in the middle.

Now, based on my ignorance of Linux.. which I dread learning and supporting in all honesty.

I'm aware of Novell's step to help get Linux into a companies via a domain, but Novell died because it was tedious and expensive to implement.

If you're aware of Active Directory and Console1 with Novel, what does Linux have that would allow a single Administrator to handle 500 PCs remotely and very simply?

I'm not aware of any features like this with Linux.. which is a major downfall to companies using the system outside of 2 major factors:
1) Isolated use where a few machines are manually locked down for security
2) small companies trying to curb expenses, fly cheap.

MS has an excellent product to market towards companies, I wish Linux would go this route. I dread the day I have to work with Linux, Windows workstations and servers, email, etc.

Its becoming overwhelming and that I believe is another factor. Linux has a lot of elite stuff to learn. Its... hodgepodge at learning and relying on individuals and the community is not something most companies are willing to stake their investment and future business on.

Businesses strive by charing money.. and using that money to develop more software. I strongly believe that if Linux did this, they would be able to take a stronger market share.

As Linux's market share increases though, the demands of the software, technology, and business use will increase.

Overall, here is my main thought on Linux:
Linux's market share is directly driven by the amount of available open source community. Should Linux's market share grow, you would have to see a larger growth in open source community, which is unlikely. So, in theory, Linux's market share will only gain as the open source community expands exponentially.

Should Linux take a larger market share, business demands will increase ten fold and the open source community and any small business would not be able to effectively meet the demands of the market.

Thus, I truly believe that Linux needs to form as a business, charge for its product.

I'm not aware of a single open source program that has a large market share and is a staple of a business.. because the community can not support it.

Google for example runs Linux servers and desktops because its cheap to do and they do inhouse training. Awesome, right?

Wrong.

Google employs Linux developers to create what they need. They don't touch the Open Source Community (OSC) for what they need. They inhouse develop what they need. Sounds good.

But those developers are getting paid $80k and higher (Google is opening an office 45 minutes from my house and heavily marketing for Linux people which they're struggling to find in this area and my friend's boyfriend's sister has the cleaning contract for her business to clean the office).

Google is fronting the cost of the developers, whereas you would pay MS more money to develope a program for you.

Would you rather pay $400 for Vista, or would you rather pay a developer $80k a year for years to come to modify and create programs for your software?

In truth, start up costs with Linux are low, but over time it will become far more expensive to run than against Microsoft.

I can purchase 4000 OS licenses with software assurance for the next 3 years for $122k. After 3 years, the cost reduces to $41k over 3 years. I get all new software as it comes out, its created for me, I don't need to employ anyone to create this or troubleshoot as I have a business who is doing it for me.

While Linux may be extremely reliable.. Windows is reliable enough to do the same job just as effectively and at a lower long term operating cost.

That's my book.

You mean your glad they have a product range that matches your ability Google show us that Linux CAN scale to the enterprise, they show us you CAN make innovative systems and products without limiting yourself to the solution one vendor pushes.

I really don't think you understand where Linux already is. I also don't think you understand just how much money companies spend on in house developers to tweak MS products or to tie them together in the way they really want. You will tweak SQL Server as much as MySQL. I have never had a 'complete' MS solution anywhere I worked, just a lot of frameworks we built on top off.

Windows took the home market by grabbing the workplace. Linux seems in some of the more recent distributions to be taking the fight the other way. More and more of my customers are using Linux at the edge of their networks and slowly creeping it toward other more traditionally Windows based roles.