PCIe zeolots, please don't reply with your pushy sermons about changing the motherboard and getting PCIe. This post is for people interested in AGP DX10.

I have not heard anything in about a month.

Anybody heard any reliable news.

Keep waiting little fishy!

So your new Direct X10 videocard can be bottlenecked by the rest of your outdated system?

No AGP DX10 cards.

apparently gecube are going to bring out card based on ati's rv630 and rv610 . Both will be dx10 .

It might be tough for older cpu's to keep up with dx10 games. As of now, the agp market is quite small, and with dx10 it will most likely shrink even more. I have an agp board (running a 2.4 northwood) and am desperately trying to keep it in gaming condition but it seems that eventually I'll probably have to face reality and upgrade

It just doesn't seem cost effective for a manufacturer to make agp dx10 cards, but who knows what they'll do.

I highly doubt there will be a DX10 AGP card.

How about a PCI DX10 card? I really need to upgrade that Voodoo card in my Pentium II.

i agree that it would be doubtful as well... though not impossible, which means you can keep waiting if you want, but it is highly unlikely itll happen either way, amd still doesnt even have theirs out yet... so you can wait up to another year or more to see what comes out for AGP

although youre reluctant to hear... an example of interface limitations was given in a recent article on THG, the 8800s are bottlenecked by the AGP 8X (PCIe 8x) bandwidth http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/0 [...] _analysis/ ...and yet to be released cards will most likely be relatively close to on par with that performance, if not faster... to make newer and more demanding DX10 games still playable

AGP can be compared to 33MHz PCI in this respect, we have now officially reached the point where AGP (much like 33MHz PCI was) is too slow to not bottleneck current GPUs... because unless they happen to come out with an AGP 16x slot, its not looking very bright either way

Considering every retail system comes with an PCI-E slot, they may not make PCI DX10 cards. However, I wouldn't be surprised if you see a PCI card before an AGP card.

The 8600 AGP is coming... http://www.theinquirer.org/default.aspx?article=37790

The 8600 chips are pin compatable with both the 7600 and the 6600 models, so all the board makers have to so is use there existing 7600GT/GT design and slap a 8600 chip in.

thats from the inquirer too... on average theyre only 50% correct about anything, being as how theyre a rumor site. for the most part anything from the inquirer should be taken with some skepticism, as either somewhat true, or completely wrong.

The fact that the 8600 is pin compatible with the 7600 is not a rumour, so development cost for an 8600 AGP is effectively zero.

Mark my word on this; we will see DX 10 AGP cards, but probably from only a few vendors. There is no reason not to do this.

im not saying there wont be, all the better if there is. im just saying the inquirer isnt usually a credible/reliable source of information, being as how the theinquirer.org in itself 'is' a rumor site, but if there are other well known credible sites that back up what the inquirer says, no reason to doubt at all really then

the only question i would have then really, is if the agp interface would offer enough bandwidth for an 8600 series cards (we already know the bandwidth of 8x agp is a bottleneck for the 8800 series)

You're too cheap to upgrade the rest of your system (I've said it before, $350 gets you a new motherboard, processor, 1GB of RAM, and a placeholder graphics card) yet you want to pay very hefty premiums to put a DX10 compatible card in that will be held back?

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