Im more partial to blue ray my self here and i can read tech sheets all day on google. What im interested in is the people views here of people who use it or have access to use of one or the other (prefferably both) and give me your opinions on both new tech's so i can further educate my self on the two. I will be getting one im just not really sold on either yet.

Opinions are welcome i would just like explinations or something to back it up if needed.

Would preffer to do with out the fanboy croud on this unless they can actualy have a discussion with out the words (noob ownz blah blah blah 1337 speaking kiddys

Pros cons of both personaly opinions on why the doncumented pros and cons either arent important or dont really interfier with the tech. Pretty much any insight, views, opinions (i cant think of anymore words for the same thing) are welcome. ty for taking your time to respond.

Anyways sorry if this was already made.

Stupid question.

"which is better, VHS or BETA?" comes to mind. Beta was/is obviously better. But the 'market' swung to VHS. Many bad marketing decisions made at Sony at that time, but who's to say which will be 'better' this time out? In the long run, 'better' will be determined by media cost, burner cost, and 'compatability' as determined by the MPAA among others.

'Better' may also be determined by which group developes the best 'rootkit' for their product, and how poorly it is cross-platform compatable.

The day of 'consumer rights' is over. You'll buy what Big Brother says is better for you. So shut up, get over it, and patiently wait to be told which is 'better'.

End of rant.

Thats really why i asked for opinions. Not really sure what i said that warrented a shut up get over it comment however. If i wanted the end all which is better i would go for Blue Ray I was simply curious what other people thought and why. This is a discussion forum is it not?

'shut up' was meant for consumers in general. As it was posted as a rant, not aimed at you, please take it as personally as you see fit.

But with computer costs in general going up 25% for high end parts this past 6 mths, the new vista going up almost 100%...

I said earlier... Rant over.

Good question. Now, I'm no good at predicting the future, but I think it all hinges on the X 360 HD DVD player and the PS3. Witchever has more market share will also win the DVD war.

I'm a little partial to HD DVD, but I'm no fanboy or anything. Competition is what brings us the best of the best, so no one should be complaining.

Not complaining. and sorry croc thought it was directed to me bu whatever.

I'm only interested in peoples opinions dont take this thread as anything other then that.

yeah, I knew you werent complaining. I ment the fanboys shouldnt complain.

Oh, man. HD-DVD all the way. Not a fanboy, I've seen both in action at the same time and the HD-DVD was a little better but not that much. Also, Blue-Ray cost way too much. I laughed when I saw the price for ONE! I'm cheap and I don't like to pay for expensive things unless I'm getting quality, like how long will it exist with my little sister's fingers and what knot. And from what I hear, this thing scratches and everything is gone. I can understand the price for new technology for the drives and all but at least add like wireless features or something. Come on, it's 2006, that should be a no brain-er. And why can't they make the whole TV resolution simpler like medium quality, high quality, and ultra quality? Personally, the way both camps are marketing the new formats won't win because the average user won't understand and just look for the "higher" number or letter. Like a friend of mine, said 1080p is better than 1080i because P is higher than I! (1080p is better than 1080i in some ways) But that's just a stupid reason why it's better! What I'm trying to say it that in order for either of them to win, they better make prices low and hardware simpler! And then we have a clear winner. Until then, we'll have to wait and see!

Simple Vote: HD-DVD.

I totaly agree about the price man believe me. I know new tech normaly is more expensive but yeah. I do believe as a standard of blue-ray though one requierment was the disks be "scratch proof". One question though is does hd dvd have as much data capacity or is it mearly just a form of compression i have been hearing about.

Your friend sounds kinda funny if thats really his reasoning behind 1080p being better

HD-DVD has less capactiy than Blue-Ray. Because Hd-DVD is 0.65mm below the surface while Blue-Ray is 0.85mm below the surface (I think) even though they both use blue lasers to read and write. They both camps compress different but I forgot what they were. All I remember is that the HD-DVD compression is more efficient. Whatever that means! =p

Yeah, he's a dumbass when it comes to computers and such!

My choice is very simple. Microsoft has control of one form of my entertainment being my computer. I will not hand off another to them that being my home entertainment system. So just becasue of that blue-ray wins for me.

As for which one is truly better that is a toss up I have seen both and cannot tell a real difference in them.

As to which one will win I suspect blue-ray will just because it has more studios supporting it. But even with that the marketing dept could pull something off and have hd dvd win. Or Sony could just screw up like it did with beta. I can agree that the ps3 and xbox will have alot to say aout which one might win since the ps3 is the cheapest way to get a blue ray player.

Blue-ray has a more storage space per layer. I really don't care about the movies aspect. Data storage is more important, to me anyway. 25GB per layer, up to 3 layers per side VS. 16GB per layer and 2 layers pers side? Thats not a hard desision considering that they're almost the same cost.

Here is my entire argument, it is irrational and illogical:

Blu-Ray = Sony

HD-DVD = Not Sony

Ergo, I choose HD-DVD.

I have had enough dealings with sony's BS not working, breaking, being sent in for repairs and coming back broken that I am never supporting another sony product again. It makes little sense, but I am just so frustrated with their lack of innovation with respect to what a customer wants as opposed to what they can do.

Oh well, here is hoping to HD-DVD's win!

That is a good point i did want it for the major reason of storage but movie quality is also something ill care about when the new standards actualy get some movies out.

My biggest gripe with sony is when they try and ruin games err i do i mean develop? seems to go hand and hand with them.

Allthough i havent had any problems with thier cd-dvd roms yet personaly i dont care for them im more partial to plextore when it comes to writers but i almost always have a sony dvd player for some reason.

It's like this, you get a Blue-Ray and burnable Blue-Ray discs. Now, you burn all your data to it but when you want to transfer this data to a friend's computer, you won't be able too, because he has hd-dvd and no one can afford the damn Blue-Ray drive. As of now, how many Blue-ray drives shipped with companies such as Dell, HP, Gateway, etc? And now how many companies ship with HD-DVD drives?

One reason why I can't stand Blue-Ray is the damn DRM!
And we all know Sony for their rootkits and DRMs!

word.

Probably the one that gets hacked first will lose, which is unfortunate for those of us that want to make backups of movies that we actually own.

I personally hope HD-DVD wins just cause I'm so pissed off at sony over a variety of issues. Don't think that makes me a fanboy cause I'm not that fond of Microsoft either.

I think it will take 1-2 years until either format is mainstream enough for me to care. DVD's look great on my 30" CRT HDTV (to me anyway, maybe i would notice a bigger difference on an LCD, DLP, etc...?). Don't have the money to upgrade to a TV big enough for me to see the difference.

I don't care about transfering data to & from a friends comp. If that is needed I'll use my 500GB USB2 drive. I want Blue-Ray for it's archiving uses. But as for the "DRM" statement, discs you make are yours. "DRM" doesn't enter into it. Besides, do you honestly think MS hasn't put "DRM" crap into HD-DVD? Come on, wake up...

From what little I know, the blu-ray has higher capacity and more performance. Blu-Ray is also a different technology, so it requires all new tooling (higher price). I forget which "standard" has tighter digital rights management. I personally go for the blu-ray (for the data capacity) - until something MUCH better or much cheaper comes out, like holographic disks.