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http://www.informationweek.com/sto [...] D=60403641

This article raises some interesting questions as to what Microsoft's future
will be and whether their gamble will pay off. Also, we do not know id IE 7
will be supported by 98SE as I think it should for security reasons.

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http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;[ln];LifeWin

--
Mike Hall
MVP - Windows Shell/user

http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm





"Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
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> http://www.informationweek.com/sto [...] D=60403641
>
> This article raises some interesting questions as to what Microsoft's
> future
> will be and whether their gamble will pay off. Also, we do not know id IE
> 7
> will be supported by 98SE as I think it should for security reasons.
>
>

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I'll betcha a c-note that it's not. <eg>

Dan wrote:
> ...Also, we do not know [if] IE 7
> will be supported by 98SE as I think it should for security reasons.

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Microsoft stated quite some time ago that IE6 was the last stand-alone browser they
would release, and that would support any OS older than XP. That would seem to
indicate that there is no intention to make IE7, or any other future version of IE,
compatible with older operating systems.
--
Glen Ventura, MS MVP Shell/User, A+
http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm


"Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
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> http://www.informationweek.com/sto [...] D=60403641
>
> This article raises some interesting questions as to what Microsoft's future
> will be and whether their gamble will pay off. Also, we do not know id IE 7
> will be supported by 98SE as I think it should for security reasons.
>
>

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"glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
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> Microsoft stated quite some time ago that IE6 was the last stand-alone
browser they
> would release, and that would support any OS older than XP. That would
seem to
> indicate that there is no intention to make IE7, or any other future
version of IE,
> compatible with older operating systems.

Bill Gates' actual words when he announced IE7,
reproduced from his own web site:

"And, one thing to be clear on, this will be in the Internet Explorer
that's available to people using Windows XP SP 2."

So it won't even run on Windows XP, never mind Win 2K
or earlier. You will need Windows XP SP2.

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Thanks Hugh. I see your point.

"Hugh Candlin" <No@MeansNo.Com> wrote in message
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:
: "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
: news:%23KCMX8hHFHA.1500@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
: > Microsoft stated quite some time ago that IE6 was the last stand-alone
: browser they
: > would release, and that would support any OS older than XP. That would
: seem to
: > indicate that there is no intention to make IE7, or any other future
: version of IE,
: > compatible with older operating systems.
:
: Bill Gates' actual words when he announced IE7,
: reproduced from his own web site:
:
: "And, one thing to be clear on, this will be in the Internet Explorer
: that's available to people using Windows XP SP 2."
:
: So it won't even run on Windows XP, never mind Win 2K
: or earlier. You will need Windows XP SP2.
:
:

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http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifean1

Well 98, 98SE and ME users will still get critical updates for their products
through 30 June 2006. Also, according to this site IE and WMP should also be
free of critical vulnerabilities as long as they are updated. I wonder if
Microsoft is digging themselves into a deep hole by only supporting XP SP2
with IE 7. I am starting to think more and more users will try alternative
browsers and media players and Microsoft will continue to lose market share.
I think Microsoft needs a new market strategy.


"Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" <mike.hall.mail@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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: http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;[ln];LifeWin
:
: --
: Mike Hall
: MVP - Windows Shell/user
:
: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
:
:
:
:
:
: "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
: newsEUcf9aHFHA.3780@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
: > http://www.informationweek.com/sto [...] D=60403641
: >
: > This article raises some interesting questions as to what Microsoft's
: > future
: > will be and whether their gamble will pay off. Also, we do not know id
IE
: > 7
: > will be supported by 98SE as I think it should for security reasons.
: >
: >
:
:

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glee wrote:
> Microsoft stated quite some time ago that IE6 was the last stand-alone browser they
> would release, and that would support any OS older than XP. That would seem to
> indicate that there is no intention to make IE7, or any other future version of IE,
> compatible with older operating systems.


They also stated that IE6 was going to be the last stand alone browser,
full stop. The next one was suppose to be in Longhorn. so they do change
their mind now and again. but I also can not see MS producing IE 7 for
windows 98 or ME. Download Firefox, a better browser anyway.

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"Hugh Candlin" <No@MeansNo.Com> wrote in message
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>
> "glee" <glee29@spamindspring.com> wrote in message
> news:%23KCMX8hHFHA.1500@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> Microsoft stated quite some time ago that IE6 was the last stand-alone
> browser they
>> would release, and that would support any OS older than XP. That would
> seem to
>> indicate that there is no intention to make IE7, or any other future
> version of IE,
>> compatible with older operating systems.
>
> Bill Gates' actual words when he announced IE7,
> reproduced from his own web site:
>
> "And, one thing to be clear on, this will be in the Internet Explorer
> that's available to people using Windows XP SP 2."
>
> So it won't even run on Windows XP, never mind Win 2K
> or earlier. You will need Windows XP SP2.

Most likely it will be available only as XP SP3,
together with Indigo, Avalon, .NET 2.0 and
Windows Media Player 10.

Best regards, Roman

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Dan

MS have chosen to build IE7 on the strengths of SP2.. I don't see how that
could be a bad thing.. asking MS to supply IE7 or a version thereof for Win
98 is like asking GM to provide front-end crumple zones and side impact
airbags that can be retro-fitted to a '57 Cadillac Fleetwood convertible..

Re. IE6.. there are more than a few warnings about the use of it, but the
conditions attached to getting a problem through vulnerability #61 whereby..

...... 1. you are deleting vbrun300.dll at the same time as NTLDR.. 2. were
born on a Thursday between 1-3pm in the afternoon.. 3. have a Yorkshire
Terrier called Tempest that has one blue eye and one green.. 4. your wife
left you and 5. your kids have been abducted by aliens.. is not necessarily
a good reason to panic and change browser..

People will use whatever they feel happy with.. if a user downloads
something other than IE, and they prefer the features, then way to go.. I
know of some who still struggle along with Netscape.. well, good for them..
I use IE6 without problems, as do others, which proves that it can be done..


--
Mike Hall
MVP - Windows Shell/user

http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm





"Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
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> http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifean1
>
> Well 98, 98SE and ME users will still get critical updates for their
> products
> through 30 June 2006. Also, according to this site IE and WMP should also
> be
> free of critical vulnerabilities as long as they are updated. I wonder if
> Microsoft is digging themselves into a deep hole by only supporting XP SP2
> with IE 7. I am starting to think more and more users will try
> alternative
> browsers and media players and Microsoft will continue to lose market
> share.
> I think Microsoft needs a new market strategy.
>
>
> "Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" <mike.hall.mail@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> newstnrSvbHFHA.2132@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
> : http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;[ln];LifeWin
> :
> : --
> : Mike Hall
> : MVP - Windows Shell/user
> :
> : http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> :
> :
> :
> :
> :
> : "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
> : newsEUcf9aHFHA.3780@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> : >
> http://www.informationweek.com/sto [...] D=60403641
> : >
> : > This article raises some interesting questions as to what Microsoft's
> : > future
> : > will be and whether their gamble will pay off. Also, we do not know
> id
> IE
> : > 7
> : > will be supported by 98SE as I think it should for security reasons.
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
>
>

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When I got 98's I was informed by the dealer that support would end July
2002.
So you should be thankful Microsoft gave you an extension .
You know the old outhouses didn't function as today because they lacked the
plumbing and a lot of other improvements - so the old OS lacks the
foundation for supporting the features of today.
Anyone is free to use any product of their preference. Most people try more
than one.
--
mae

"Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
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| http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifean1
| --snip--
I wonder if
| Microsoft is digging themselves into a deep hole by only supporting XP SP2
| with IE 7. I am starting to think more and more users will try
alternative
| browsers and media players and Microsoft will continue to lose market
share.
| I think Microsoft needs a new market strategy.
|
| ---snip-
| "Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" <mike.hall.mail@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
| newstnrSvbHFHA.2132@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
| : http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;[ln];LifeWin
| :
| : --
| : Mike Hall
| : MVP - Windows Shell/user
| :
| : http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm

| :
| : "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
| : newsEUcf9aHFHA.3780@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
| : >
http://www.informationweek.com/sto [...] D=60403641
| : >
|

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I see what you are saying, Mike but I will continue to use 98SE until 30 June
2006 when Microsoft ends critical updates for 98, 98SE and ME and even after
that I will use it in an off-line environment. It is an awesome operating
system. It can run my old MS-DOS programs and does not seem to choke as much
as XP PRO. when I do powerful editing and configuring of the boot.ini, the
registry (manually editing) and other stuff.

"Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" <mike.hall.mail@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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: Dan
:
: MS have chosen to build IE7 on the strengths of SP2.. I don't see how that
: could be a bad thing.. asking MS to supply IE7 or a version thereof for Win
: 98 is like asking GM to provide front-end crumple zones and side impact
: airbags that can be retro-fitted to a '57 Cadillac Fleetwood convertible..
:
: Re. IE6.. there are more than a few warnings about the use of it, but the
: conditions attached to getting a problem through vulnerability #61
whereby..
:
: ..... 1. you are deleting vbrun300.dll at the same time as NTLDR.. 2. were
: born on a Thursday between 1-3pm in the afternoon.. 3. have a Yorkshire
: Terrier called Tempest that has one blue eye and one green.. 4. your wife
: left you and 5. your kids have been abducted by aliens.. is not
necessarily
: a good reason to panic and change browser..
:
: People will use whatever they feel happy with.. if a user downloads
: something other than IE, and they prefer the features, then way to go.. I
: know of some who still struggle along with Netscape.. well, good for them..
: I use IE6 without problems, as do others, which proves that it can be
done..
:
:
: --
: Mike Hall
: MVP - Windows Shell/user
:
: http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
:
:
:
:
:
: "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
: newspw4SPjHFHA.2356@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
: > http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifean1
: >
: > Well 98, 98SE and ME users will still get critical updates for their
: > products
: > through 30 June 2006. Also, according to this site IE and WMP should
also
: > be
: > free of critical vulnerabilities as long as they are updated. I wonder
if
: > Microsoft is digging themselves into a deep hole by only supporting XP
SP2
: > with IE 7. I am starting to think more and more users will try
: > alternative
: > browsers and media players and Microsoft will continue to lose market
: > share.
: > I think Microsoft needs a new market strategy.
: >
: >
: > "Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" <mike.hall.mail@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
: > newstnrSvbHFHA.2132@TK2MSFTNGP14.phx.gbl...
: > : http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;[ln];LifeWin
: > :
: > : --
: > : Mike Hall
: > : MVP - Windows Shell/user
: > :
: > : http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
: > :
: > :
: > :
: > :
: > :
: > : "Dan" <spamyou@user.nec> wrote in message
: > : newsEUcf9aHFHA.3780@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
: > : >
: > http://www.informationweek.com/sto [...] D=60403641
: > : >
: > : > This article raises some interesting questions as to what Microsoft's
: > : > future
: > : > will be and whether their gamble will pay off. Also, we do not know
: > id
: > IE
: > : > 7
: > : > will be supported by 98SE as I think it should for security reasons.
: > : >
: > : >
: > :
: > :
: >
: >
:
:

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I am thankful that Microsoft has updated 98, 98SE and ME until 30 June 2006.
I dual-boot with 98SE and XP PRO. so I use both older and newer technology.
Will my only resource be to buy Virtual Machine when support runs out and
will this provide me with the environment where I can have true DOS mode and
powerful configuration options. BTW, according to Chris Quirke, MVP DOS is
not dead because Microsoft does not have a maintenance operating system that
has replaced DOS so until Microsoft provides this maintence operating system
perhaps in Longhorn or Whistler then I will not see DOS as being considered
dead.

"mae" <agrannie@notemail.msn.com> wrote in message
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: When I got 98's I was informed by the de