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I have a freeware program named Beta 10 that allows me to remove such
unneeded modules as Windows Media Player 6, Windows Scripting host and I
also notice, WBEM (Web Based Enterprise Management.) Can anybody tell me
if there's a reason I shouldn't remove that module? I use this computer
at home and unnetworked. I have a fiber optic cable connection. Frankly,
I'm unaware of any reason I should have this on my system, but it's
always a good idea to check here first.

TIA

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WMI and WBEM
http://whidbey.msdn.microsoft.com/ [...] p_6g19.asp

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"John Corliss" <jcorliss@fake.invalid> wrote in message
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> I have a freeware program named Beta 10 that allows me to remove such
> unneeded modules as Windows Media Player 6, Windows Scripting host and I
> also notice, WBEM (Web Based Enterprise Management.) Can anybody tell me
> if there's a reason I shouldn't remove that module? I use this computer
> at home and unnetworked. I have a fiber optic cable connection. Frankly,
> I'm unaware of any reason I should have this on my system, but it's
> always a good idea to check here first.
>
> TIA
>
> --
> Regards from John Corliss

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Jack E Martinelli wrote:
> John Corliss wrote:
>> I have a freeware program named Beta 10 that allows me to remove such
>> unneeded modules as Windows Media Player 6, Windows Scripting host and I
>> also notice, WBEM (Web Based Enterprise Management.) Can anybody tell me
>> if there's a reason I shouldn't remove that module? I use this computer
>> at home and unnetworked. I have a fiber optic cable connection. Frankly,
>> I'm unaware of any reason I should have this on my system, but it's
>> always a good idea to check here first.
>
> WMI and WBEM
> http://whidbey.msdn.microsoft.com/ [...] p_6g19.asp

Thanks very much for replying, but that article only explains what WBEM
is and doesn't really answer my question; i.e. it's a start, but
definitely not an answer.

Like most individuals who come to this group seeking help, I'm *not* a
programmer or IT specialist, so most of the article at the link you
provided means nothing to me. This is because (like most such documents)
it's rife with undefined terminology. So I tried to look up the terms
and acronyms used there as best as possible:

1. WMI - Windows Management Instrumentation (W2K). Improves
administrative control by allowing administrators to correlate data and
events from multiple sources and vendors on a local or enterprise basis.
(there IS no "System Administrator" for my computer other than me, and
since I'm using Millennium Edition, there's not really even any SA tools)

2. Win32 - An API for running 32-bit Windows applications under Windows
NT and Windows 95. The Win32 APIs of Windows NT and Windows 95 vary. To
use Microsoft's "Designed for Windows NT" logo, applications must run
under Windows NT 4.0 and Windows 95.

3. DMI - Desktop Management Interface. A framework created by the
Distributed Management Task Force (DMTF). DMTF specifications define
interfaces that are industry standards for providing hardware
instrumentation and management applications. (Who's "managing my
desktop" other than me? It had BETTER NOT be anybody I'm not aware of.)

4. SNMP - Simple Network Management Protocol is the Internet standard
protocol for network management software. It monitors devices on the
network, and gathers device performance data for management information
(data)bases (“MIB”). (there IS no "nework management" of my system going
on because I'm using it at home, I'm the only user and I'm not on a
network.)

5. CIM - Common Information Model. Describes the Web-based Enterprise
Management (WBEM) data representation that is now a standard. This
standard is sponsored by the Distributed Management Task Force. (this
definition is not very helpful because it's circular. Not only that, but
I'm not an "enterprise" and I absolutely DON'T allow anybody else to
manage my system via the Web. If any such activity is going on and I
find out about it, I will take measures to put an end to it immediately.)

but none or very little of THIS makes much sense to me, so my question
remains:

Why do I need WBEM if I'm running this system at home, unnetworked and
(to add to the info) I'm the only user of this system?

To my way of thinking, WBEM is simply unnecessary bloat that I can do
without. Am I wrong in thinking this for some reason?

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Thanks and regards from John Corliss

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The folder is so small that it hardly matters. It doesn't sap up any
resources and as far as I know it is hardly used by anything but if you
remove it you may get Winmgmt errors.

John

John Corliss wrote:

> Jack E Martinelli wrote:
> > John Corliss wrote:
> >> I have a freeware program named Beta 10 that allows me to remove such
>
>>> unneeded modules as Windows Media Player 6, Windows Scripting host and I
>>> also notice, WBEM (Web Based Enterprise Management.) Can anybody tell me
>>> if there's a reason I shouldn't remove that module? I use this computer
>>> at home and unnetworked. I have a fiber optic cable connection. Frankly,
>>> I'm unaware of any reason I should have this on my system, but it's
>>> always a good idea to check here first.
>
> >
>
>> WMI and WBEM
>> http://whidbey.msdn.microsoft.com/ [...] p_6g19.asp
>>
>
>
> Thanks very much for replying, but that article only explains what WBEM
> is and doesn't really answer my question; i.e. it's a start, but
> definitely not an answer.
>
> Like most individuals who come to this group seeking help, I'm *not* a
> programmer or IT specialist, so most of the article at the link you
> provided means nothing to me. This is because (like most such documents)
> it's rife with undefined terminology. So I tried to look up the terms
> and acronyms used there as best as possible:
>
> 1. WMI - Windows Management Instrumentation (W2K). Improves
> administrative control by allowing administrators to correlate data and
> events from multiple sources and vendors on a local or enterprise basis.
> (there IS no "System Administrator" for my computer other than me, and
> since I'm using Millennium Edition, there's not really even any SA tools)
>
> 2. Win32 - An API for running 32-bit Windows applications under Windows
> NT and Windows 95. The Win32 APIs of Windows NT and Windows 95 vary. To
> use Microsoft's "Designed for Windows NT" logo, applications must run
> under Windows NT 4.0 and Windows 95.
>
> 3. DMI - Desktop Management Interface. A framework created by the
> Distributed Management Task Force (DMTF). DMTF specifications define
> interfaces that are industry standards for providing hardware
> instrumentation and management applications. (Who's "managing my
> desktop" other than me? It had BETTER NOT be anybody I'm not aware of.)
>
> 4. SNMP - Simple Network Management Protocol is the Internet standard
> protocol for network management software. It monitors devices on the
> network, and gathers device performance data for management information
> (data)bases (“MIB”). (there IS no "nework management" of my system going
> on because I'm using it at home, I'm the only user and I'm not on a
> network.)
>
> 5. CIM - Common Information Model. Describes the Web-based Enterprise
> Management (WBEM) data representation that is now a standard. This
> standard is sponsored by the Distributed Management Task Force. (this
> definition is not very helpful because it's circular. Not only that, but
> I'm not an "enterprise" and I absolutely DON'T allow anybody else to
> manage my system via the Web. If any such activity is going on and I
> find out about it, I will take measures to put an end to it immediately.)
>
> but none or very little of THIS makes much sense to me, so my question
> remains:
>
> Why do I need WBEM if I'm running this system at home, unnetworked and
> (to add to the info) I'm the only user of this system?
>
> To my way of thinking, WBEM is simply unnecessary bloat that I can do
> without. Am I wrong in thinking this for some reason?
>

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John Corliss wrote:
> I have a freeware program named Beta 10 that allows me to remove such
> unneeded modules as Windows Media Player 6, Windows Scripting host and I
> also notice, WBEM (Web Based Enterprise Management.) Can anybody tell me
> if there's a reason I shouldn't remove that module? I use this computer
> at home and unnetworked. I have a fiber optic cable connection. Frankly,
> I'm unaware of any reason I should have this on my system, but it's
> always a good idea to check here first.

umm, if you have "a fiber optic cable connection" that you're using then
you *are* networked (the internet *is* a network).

But, WBEM doesn't sound like something that's necessary... kill it and
if it causes problems put it back.


Rick

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Rick T wrote:
> John Corliss wrote:
>
>> I have a freeware program named Beta 10 that allows me to remove such
>> unneeded modules as Windows Media Player 6, Windows Scripting host and
>> I also notice, WBEM (Web Based Enterprise Management.) Can anybody
>> tell me if there's a reason I shouldn't remove that module? I use this
>> computer at home and unnetworked. I have a fiber optic cable
>> connection. Frankly, I'm unaware of any reason I should have this on
>> my system, but it's always a good idea to check here first.
>
> umm, if you have "a fiber optic cable connection" that you're using then
> you *are* networked (the internet *is* a network).

*sigh* I knew somebody would say that. Yes, it's true that one could
look at the internet as a big network of course, but what I mean is that
I'm not on a *business or private* network. Sorry I didn't make that
clearer.

> But, WBEM doesn't sound like something that's necessary... kill it and
> if it causes problems put it back.

Sounds like a plan to me.

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John John wrote:
> John Corliss wrote:
>> Jack E Martinelli wrote:
>>> John Corliss wrote:
>>>> I have a freeware program named Beta 10 that allows me to remove such
>>>> unneeded modules as Windows Media Player 6, Windows Scripting host
>>>> and I
>>>> also notice, WBEM (Web Based Enterprise Management.) Can anybody
>>>> tell me
>>>> if there's a reason I shouldn't remove that module? I use this computer
>>>> at home and unnetworked. I have a fiber optic cable connection.
>>>> Frankly,
>>>> I'm unaware of any reason I should have this on my system, but it's
>>>> always a good idea to check here first.
>>
>>> WMI and WBEM
>>> http://whidbey.msdn.microsoft.com/ [...] p_6g19.asp
>>
>> Thanks very much for replying, but that article only explains what
>> WBEM is and doesn't really answer my question; i.e. it's a start, but
>> definitely not an answer.
>>
>> Like most individuals who come to this group seeking help, I'm *not* a
>> programmer or IT specialist, so most of the article at the link you
>> provided means nothing to me. This is because (like most such
>> documents) it's rife with undefined terminology. So I tried to look up
>> the terms and acronyms used there as best as possible:
>>
>> 1. WMI - Windows Management Instrumentation (W2K). Improves
>> administrative control by allowing administrators to correlate data
>> and events from multiple sources and vendors on a local or enterprise
>> basis. (there IS no "System Administrator" for my computer other than
>> me, and since I'm using Millennium Edition, there's not really even
>> any SA tools)
>>
>> 2. Win32 - An API for running 32-bit Windows applications under
>> Windows NT and Windows 95. The Win32 APIs of Windows NT and Windows 95
>> vary. To use Microsoft's "Designed for Windows NT" logo, applications
>> must run under Windows NT 4.0 and Windows 95.
>>
>> 3. DMI - Desktop Management Interface. A framework created by the
>> Distributed Management Task Force (DMTF). DMTF specifications define
>> interfaces that are industry standards for providing hardware
>> instrumentation and management applications. (Who's "managing my
>> desktop" other than me? It had BETTER NOT be anybody I'm not aware of.)
>>
>> 4. SNMP - Simple Network Management Protocol is the Internet standard
>> protocol for network management software. It monitors devices on the
>> network, and gathers device performance data for management
>> information (data)bases (“MIB”). (there IS no "nework management" of
>> my system going on because I'm using it at home, I'm the only user and
>> I'm not on a network.)
>>
>> 5. CIM - Common Information Model. Describes the Web-based Enterprise
>> Management (WBEM) data representation that is now a standard. This
>> standard is sponsored by the Distributed Management Task Force. (this
>> definition is not very helpful because it's circular. Not only that,
>> but I'm not an "enterprise" and I absolutely DON'T allow anybody else
>> to manage my system via the Web. If any such activity is going on and
>> I find out about it, I will take measures to put an end to it
>> immediately.)
>>
>> but none or very little of THIS makes much sense to me, so my question
>> remains:
>>
>> Why do I need WBEM if I'm running this system at home, unnetworked and
>> (to add to the info) I'm the only user of this system?
>>
>> To my way of thinking, WBEM is simply unnecessary bloat that I can do
>> without. Am I wrong in thinking this for some reason?
>>
> The folder is so small that it hardly matters. It doesn't sap up any
> resources and as far as I know it is hardly used by anything but if
> you remove it you may get Winmgmt errors.

First, thanks for replying!

Now onward....
Not sure why I would get Winmgmt errors, since as I say, I'm not on a
personal or business network or any kind. This means that nobody would
or should be attempting to "manage" my system. And since Winmgmt.exe
resides in my WBEM folder, it would of course disappear along with
everything else. And since Winmgmt doesn't run automatically in ME, I
dont know why there would ever be any errors with it.

My concern is privacy, first and foremost. If this "Web Based
Management" allows somebody else to remotely control my computer in any
way, or is another unneeded part of Windows that makes the system
vulnerable to hackers, Trojans and virii, then I don't want it on my
system. If WEBM is in any way related to RCP, then there's even more
reason to remove it. I also notice this folder:
C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\WBEM\Logs
contains files that are fairly recent.

Hey, I even run a startup batch file that deletes ALL of my index.dat
files every time I restart Windows. But as I said, I'm not a programmer
and am simply looking for information about why WEBM is necessary.

I don't have any idea why Microsoft puts stuff on computers that don't
need it rather than simply making the item optional.

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Regards from John Corliss

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> Not sure why I would get Winmgmt errors, since as I say, I'm not on a
> personal or business network or any kind.

Could be because you are using Win Me of which winmgmnt.exe and WBEM form
part. If you don't want these why not move to an operating system that
doesn't include these as an integral part? Neither have any implications
for privacy but instead are about the well being of your system.
--
Mike Maltby MS-MVP
mike.maltby@gmail.com


John Corliss <jcorliss@fake.invalid> wrote:

> First, thanks for replying!
>
> Now onward....
> Not sure why I would get Winmgmt errors, since as I say, I'm not on a
> personal or business network or any kind. This means that nobody would
> or should be attempting to "manage" my system. And since Winmgmt.exe
> resides in my WBEM folder, it would of course disappear along with
> everything else. And since Winmgmt doesn't run automatically in ME, I
> dont know why there would ever be any errors with it.
>
> My concern is privacy, first and foremost. If this "Web Based
> Management" allows somebody else to remotely control my computer in
> any way, or is another unneeded part of Windows that makes the system
> vulnerable to hackers, Trojans and virii, then I don't want it on my
> system. If WEBM is in any way related to RCP, then there's even more
> reason to remove it. I also notice this folder:
> C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\WBEM\Logs
> contains files that are fairly recent.
>
> Hey, I even run a startup batch file that deletes ALL of my index.dat
> files every time I restart Windows. But as I said, I'm not a
> programmer and am simply looking for information about why WEBM is
> necessary.
> I don't have any idea why Microsoft puts stuff on computers that don't
> need it rather than simply making the item optional.

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And at that it would have to be an ixnix system or other, WBEM is also
used on NT systems and if removed on these systems you may get event ids
and errors concerning WMI. As for ME it is sort of there for PCHealth
reporting amongst others. Other software can and may and does use it.
It probably wouldn't hurt much to remove it if you disable these "call
home" when there is an error option in your software. But then every
once in a blue moon you may get a winmgmt or WMI error and a year after
the fact you'll be scratching your head wondering why the error occurs.
These article and white papers explain a bit. White papers often end
up as ash in the bottom of the wood stove when programmers decide that
the feature is useless :-)

MS Windows Millennium Edition: Network Diagnostics Tool
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/a [...] tdiag.mspx

WMI and WBEM
http://whidbey.msdn.microsoft.com/ [...] p_6g19.asp

Microsoft Windows Management Instrumentation: Background and Overview
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/ [...] _wmiwp.asp

John

Mike M wrote:

>> Not sure why I would get Winmgmt errors, since as I say, I'm not on a
>> personal or business network or any kind.
>
>
> Could be because you are using Win Me of which winmgmnt.exe and WBEM
> form part. If you don't want these why not move to an operating system
> that doesn't include these as an integral part? Neither have any
> implications for privacy but instead are about the well being of your
> system.

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Mike M wrote:
>> Not sure why I would get Winmgmt errors, since as I say, I'm not on a
>> personal or business network or any kind.
>
>
> Could be because you are using Win Me of which winmgmnt.exe and WBEM
> form part. If you don't want these why not move to an operating system
> that doesn't include these as an integral part? Neither have any
> implications for privacy but instead are about the well being of your
> system.

That's kind of an extreme solution, Mike. I'm dealing with what I have.

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Regards from John Corliss

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Thanks John John. I think you answered my question for the most part.
I'll check out your links now. Thanks.

John John wrote:

> And at that it would have to be an ixnix system or other, WBEM is also
> used on NT systems and if removed on these systems you may get event ids
> and errors concerning WMI. As for ME it is sort of there for PCHealth
> reporting amongst others. Other software can and may and does use it.
> It probably wouldn't hurt much to remove it if you disable these "call
> home" when there is an error option in your software. But then every
> once in a blue moon you may get a winmgmt or WMI error and a year after
> the fact you'll be scratching your head wondering why the error occurs.
> These article and white papers explain a bit. White papers often end
> up as ash in the bottom of the wood stove when programmers decide that
> the feature is useless :-)
>
> MS Windows Millennium Edition: Network Diagnostics Tool
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/a [...] tdiag.mspx
>
> WMI and WBEM
> http://whidbey.msdn.microsoft.com/ [...] p_6g19.asp
>
>
> Microsoft Windows Management Instrumentation: Background and Overview
> http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/ [...] _wmiwp.asp
>
>
> John
>
> Mike M wrote:
>
>>> Not sure why I would get Winmgmt errors, since as I say, I'm not on a
>>> personal or business network or any kind.
>>
>>
>>
>> Could be because you are using Win Me of which winmgmnt.exe and WBEM
>> form part. If you don't want these why not move to an operating
>> system that doesn't include these as an integral part? Neither have
>> any implications for privacy but instead are about the well being of
>> your system.


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Regards from John Corliss

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>-----Original Message-----
>I have a freeware program named Beta 10 that allows me to
remove such
>unneeded modules as Windows Media Player 6, Windows
Scripting host and I
>also notice, WBEM (Web Based Enterprise Management.) Can
anybody tell me
>if there's a reason I shouldn't remove that module? I use
this computer
>at home and unnetworked. I have a fiber optic cable
connection. Frankly,
>I'm unaware of any reason I should have this on my
system, but it's
>always a good idea to check here first.
>
>TIA
>
>--
>Regards from John Corliss
>.
>Ok after studying WBEM software on net it is basically
described as "software tools that make one type of
Operating system work better with another operating system
when using the net.
You say your computer isn't "networked" but if your
computer is using the INTERNET it is NETWORKED!
Though you probably meant "network as in same office
networking".
I would keep the WBEM, I am comp repairman so I have
learned that its better not to delete to many files.
Sometimes extra files can be handy when using some new
software!

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WBEM is not any such thing. I'd suggest that you need to study the topic a
bit more.

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>Ok after studying WBEM software on net it is basically
> described as "software tools that make one type of
> Operating system work better with another operating system
> when using the net.
> You say your computer isn't "networked" but if your
> computer is using the INTERNET it is NETWORKED!
> Though you probably meant "network as in same office
> networking".
> I would keep the WBEM, I am comp repairman so I have
> learned that its better not to delete to many files.
> Sometimes extra files can be handy when using some new
> software!