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WinXP (sp1 all updates until about 3 or 4 weeks ago) /98SE Dual boot

ECS K7S5A v 3.1

Last Sunday I installed Motherboard Monitor... this may be a red herring, as
it ran OK until today, but that and a lost connection mssg with my HP
Photosmart 1215 are the only things of any remarkable note.


Today I rebooted XP and got as far as the splash screen where the green line
runs across and then the screen went blank and stayed that way.

Restarted to the Normal Start with same results.

Start with Last Known Good Configuration did the same.

Started Safe mode and removed MotherBoard Monitor with no joy.

Started Safe mode and did a Restore Point to Saturday, when I restarted it
got to the same spot and died... but when I went back to Safe Mode it said
'Restore Successful', yet when I tried to restart I still only got to the
same Splash with green bar and then black and let it wait it out for over 5
minutes with not so much as a flicker out of the HD light.

Device Manager shows nothing unusual.

Win98SE boots and runs fine.


Could MM5 have some issue with my board's controllers that would not go away
with an Add/Remove?


Not sure where I want to go from here, but this is all I can think of with
only one cup of coffee in me.

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"Ralph D." <raldonn2@usaor.net> wrote in message
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> WinXP (sp1 all updates until about 3 or 4 weeks ago) /98SE Dual boot
>
> ECS K7S5A v 3.1
>
> Last Sunday I installed Motherboard Monitor... this may be a red herring,
as
> it ran OK until today, but that and a lost connection mssg with my HP
> Photosmart 1215 are the only things of any remarkable note.
>
>
> Today I rebooted XP and got as far as the splash screen where the green
line
> runs across and then the screen went blank and stayed that way.
>
> Restarted to the Normal Start with same results.
>
> Start with Last Known Good Configuration did the same.
>
> Started Safe mode and removed MotherBoard Monitor with no joy.
>
> Started Safe mode and did a Restore Point to Saturday, when I restarted it
> got to the same spot and died... but when I went back to Safe Mode it said
> 'Restore Successful', yet when I tried to restart I still only got to the
> same Splash with green bar and then black and let it wait it out for over
5
> minutes with not so much as a flicker out of the HD light.
>
> Device Manager shows nothing unusual.
>
> Win98SE boots and runs fine.
>
>
> Could MM5 have some issue with my board's controllers that would not go
away
> with an Add/Remove?
>
>
> Not sure where I want to go from here, but this is all I can think of with
> only one cup of coffee in me.
>
>
Just to be clear... I may be mis-phrasing when I call the black WinXP Home
screen with the moving green bar a Splash screen... but the idea is that XP
stops responding at this point in the boot process.

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Ralph D. wrote:

>
> "Ralph D." <raldonn2@usaor.net> wrote in message
> news:2rqdnQJFwI9pjHndRVn2gw@giganews.com...
>> WinXP (sp1 all updates until about 3 or 4 weeks ago) /98SE Dual boot
>>
>> ECS K7S5A v 3.1
>>
>> Last Sunday I installed Motherboard Monitor... this may be a red herring,
> as
>> it ran OK until today, but that and a lost connection mssg with my HP
>> Photosmart 1215 are the only things of any remarkable note.
>>
>>
>> Today I rebooted XP and got as far as the splash screen where the green
> line
>> runs across and then the screen went blank and stayed that way.
>>
>> Restarted to the Normal Start with same results.
>>
>> Start with Last Known Good Configuration did the same.
>>
>> Started Safe mode and removed MotherBoard Monitor with no joy.
>>
>> Started Safe mode and did a Restore Point to Saturday, when I restarted
>> it got to the same spot and died... but when I went back to Safe Mode it
>> said 'Restore Successful', yet when I tried to restart I still only got
>> to the same Splash with green bar and then black and let it wait it out
>> for over
> 5
>> minutes with not so much as a flicker out of the HD light.
>>
>> Device Manager shows nothing unusual.
>>
>> Win98SE boots and runs fine.
>>
>>
>> Could MM5 have some issue with my board's controllers that would not go
> away
>> with an Add/Remove?
>>
>>
>> Not sure where I want to go from here, but this is all I can think of
>> with only one cup of coffee in me.
>>
>>
> Just to be clear... I may be mis-phrasing when I call the black WinXP Home
> screen with the moving green bar a Splash screen... but the idea is that
> XP stops responding at this point in the boot process.

I use MBM on both of my K7S5A PRO r.5.0 boards with no problem whatsoever.
If you did a restore back to a point "before" the problems occurred, then
you have other problems. Be sure you actually restored to a point "Before"
the problems occurred.

Check the capacitors near your RAM, and other parts of the motherboard. My
r3.1 board went bad because of bad Capacitors. If they look buldged on
top, and not flat, then you have a problem. I had to replace with a PRO
v.5.0.

The reason I bring this up, is some motherboard problems mask themselves as
software problems. Especially, the ones around the RAM modules. When
these fail, the voltages are not stable, and it gives the appearance of
software problems.

Other than that, MBM works fine. Try to use the very latest version...

Did MBM install in Win98SE OK?

--
Kirbalo...

K7S5A Pro, Athlon XP 1600+
1 Gig DDR, 120 GB, nVidia GeForce 4 MX 440
SuSE Linux 9.0 Pro & XP Pro Dual Boot
Linux 2.4.21-226-athlon
10:54am up 10 days 22:57, 4 users, load average: 1.03, 1.13, 1.17

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"kirbalo" <kirbalo@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> Ralph D. wrote:
>
> >
> > "Ralph D." <raldonn2@usaor.net> wrote in message
> > news:2rqdnQJFwI9pjHndRVn2gw@giganews.com...
> >> WinXP (sp1 all updates until about 3 or 4 weeks ago) /98SE Dual boot
> >>
> >> ECS K7S5A v 3.1
> >>
> >> Last Sunday I installed Motherboard Monitor... this may be a red
herring,
> > as
> >> it ran OK until today, but that and a lost connection mssg with my HP
> >> Photosmart 1215 are the only things of any remarkable note.
> >>
> >>
> >> Today I rebooted XP and got as far as the splash screen where the green
> > line
> >> runs across and then the screen went blank and stayed that way.
> >>
> >> Restarted to the Normal Start with same results.
> >>
> >> Start with Last Known Good Configuration did the same.
> >>
> >> Started Safe mode and removed MotherBoard Monitor with no joy.
> >>
> >> Started Safe mode and did a Restore Point to Saturday, when I restarted
> >> it got to the same spot and died... but when I went back to Safe Mode
it
> >> said 'Restore Successful', yet when I tried to restart I still only got
> >> to the same Splash with green bar and then black and let it wait it out
> >> for over
> > 5
> >> minutes with not so much as a flicker out of the HD light.
> >>
> >> Device Manager shows nothing unusual.
> >>
> >> Win98SE boots and runs fine.
> >>
> >>
> >> Could MM5 have some issue with my board's controllers that would not go
> > away
> >> with an Add/Remove?
> >>
> >>
> >> Not sure where I want to go from here, but this is all I can think of
> >> with only one cup of coffee in me.
> >>
> >>
> > Just to be clear... I may be mis-phrasing when I call the black WinXP
Home
> > screen with the moving green bar a Splash screen... but the idea is that
> > XP stops responding at this point in the boot process.
>
> I use MBM on both of my K7S5A PRO r.5.0 boards with no problem whatsoever.
> If you did a restore back to a point "before" the problems occurred, then
> you have other problems. Be sure you actually restored to a point
"Before"
> the problems occurred.
>
> Check the capacitors near your RAM, and other parts of the motherboard.
My
> r3.1 board went bad because of bad Capacitors. If they look buldged on
> top, and not flat, then you have a problem. I had to replace with a PRO
> v.5.0.
>
> The reason I bring this up, is some motherboard problems mask themselves
as
> software problems. Especially, the ones around the RAM modules. When
> these fail, the voltages are not stable, and it gives the appearance of
> software problems.
>
> Other than that, MBM works fine. Try to use the very latest version...
>
> Did MBM install in Win98SE OK?
>
> --

I have not installed the software in the 98 partition, as I do not use it
that much. I *really* do not want to now as I do not want to risk hosing
both OS's.

If it were hardware... why would it boot and run fine to safe mode and run
alright in 98SE? Not arguing... trying to understand as I don't know what to
think about the whole situation.

Thanks for replying.

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Ralph D. wrote:

>
> "kirbalo" <kirbalo@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:a4qdncdoXau8qHndRVn-hg@comcast.com...
>> Ralph D. wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > "Ralph D." <raldonn2@usaor.net> wrote in message
>> > news:2rqdnQJFwI9pjHndRVn2gw@giganews.com...
>> >> WinXP (sp1 all updates until about 3 or 4 weeks ago) /98SE Dual boot
>> >>
>> >> ECS K7S5A v 3.1
>> >>
>> >> Last Sunday I installed Motherboard Monitor... this may be a red
> herring,
>> > as
>> >> it ran OK until today, but that and a lost connection mssg with my HP
>> >> Photosmart 1215 are the only things of any remarkable note.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Today I rebooted XP and got as far as the splash screen where the
>> >> green
>> > line
>> >> runs across and then the screen went blank and stayed that way.
>> >>
>> >> Restarted to the Normal Start with same results.
>> >>
>> >> Start with Last Known Good Configuration did the same.
>> >>
>> >> Started Safe mode and removed MotherBoard Monitor with no joy.
>> >>
>> >> Started Safe mode and did a Restore Point to Saturday, when I
>> >> restarted it got to the same spot and died... but when I went back to
>> >> Safe Mode
> it
>> >> said 'Restore Successful', yet when I tried to restart I still only
>> >> got to the same Splash with green bar and then black and let it wait
>> >> it out for over
>> > 5
>> >> minutes with not so much as a flicker out of the HD light.
>> >>
>> >> Device Manager shows nothing unusual.
>> >>
>> >> Win98SE boots and runs fine.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Could MM5 have some issue with my board's controllers that would not
>> >> go
>> > away
>> >> with an Add/Remove?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Not sure where I want to go from here, but this is all I can think of
>> >> with only one cup of coffee in me.
>> >>
>> >>
>> > Just to be clear... I may be mis-phrasing when I call the black WinXP
> Home
>> > screen with the moving green bar a Splash screen... but the idea is
>> > that XP stops responding at this point in the boot process.
>>
>> I use MBM on both of my K7S5A PRO r.5.0 boards with no problem
>> whatsoever. If you did a restore back to a point "before" the problems
>> occurred, then
>> you have other problems. Be sure you actually restored to a point
> "Before"
>> the problems occurred.
>>
>> Check the capacitors near your RAM, and other parts of the motherboard.
> My
>> r3.1 board went bad because of bad Capacitors. If they look buldged on
>> top, and not flat, then you have a problem. I had to replace with a PRO
>> v.5.0.
>>
>> The reason I bring this up, is some motherboard problems mask themselves
> as
>> software problems. Especially, the ones around the RAM modules. When
>> these fail, the voltages are not stable, and it gives the appearance of
>> software problems.
>>
>> Other than that, MBM works fine. Try to use the very latest version...
>>
>> Did MBM install in Win98SE OK?
>>
>> --
>
> I have not installed the software in the 98 partition, as I do not use it
> that much. I *really* do not want to now as I do not want to risk hosing
> both OS's.
>
> If it were hardware... why would it boot and run fine to safe mode and run
> alright in 98SE? Not arguing... trying to understand as I don't know what
> to think about the whole situation.
>
> Thanks for replying.

Great questions...and that's what debugging is all about...as you know. It
was just a suggestion that I wish someone would have made to me about 9
months before I figured it out after thinking I had a Windows Registry
problem, etc...

I suspect that if 98SE runs and continues to run fine, you probably don't
have a problem...just take a quick look at them for sanity's sake...

--
Kirbalo...

K7S5A Pro, Athlon XP 1600+
1 Gig DDR, 120 GB, nVidia GeForce 4 MX 440
SuSE Linux 9.0 Pro & XP Pro Dual Boot
Linux 2.4.21-226-athlon
11:26am up 10 days 23:29, 4 users, load average: 1.00, 1.07, 1.08

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"Ralph D." <raldonn2@usaor.net> wrote in message
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> <snip>
> I have not installed the software in the 98 partition, as I do not use it
> that much. I *really* do not want to now as I do not want to risk hosing
> both OS's.
>
> If it were hardware... why would it boot and run fine to safe mode and run
> alright in 98SE? Not arguing... trying to understand as I don't know what
to
> think about the whole situation.
>
> Thanks for replying.

I would run MEMTEST86 first to make sure that the RAM is not the problem. I
usually make that my very first step in troubleshooting perplexing software
crashes including BSOD (blue screens of death).

If the RAM passes MEMTEST86, I would NOT be inclined to suspect other
hardware problems--at least not at this point--unless you see leaking or
bulging capacitors or smell a distinct odor coming from the capacitors.

Restoring Windows to "last known good configuration" would fail if the
underlying problem is only intermittant and might not have manifested itself
earlier. There is still the possibility--albeit small--that your underlying
problem might have been already there even BEFORE you installed MBM. But,
just like you, I need to be convinced that MBM is not the problem as
"accuse-the-nearest-one-intuition" says MBM is the primary suspect. Have you
tried googling to see if other people runnning WinXP are having similar
problems with MBM as you are?

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"Ralph D." <raldonn2@usaor.net> expounded in
news:2rqdnQJFwI9pjHndRVn2gw@giganews.com:

> WinXP (sp1 all updates until about 3 or 4 weeks ago) /98SE Dual boot
>
> ECS K7S5A v 3.1
>
> Last Sunday I installed Motherboard Monitor... this may be a red
> herring, as it ran OK until today, but that and a lost connection mssg
> with my HP Photosmart 1215 are the only things of any remarkable note.
>
>
> Today I rebooted XP and got as far as the splash screen where the
> green line runs across and then the screen went blank and stayed that
> way.
>
> Restarted to the Normal Start with same results.
>
> Start with Last Known Good Configuration did the same.
>
> Started Safe mode and removed MotherBoard Monitor with no joy.
>
> Started Safe mode and did a Restore Point to Saturday, when I
> restarted it got to the same spot and died... but when I went back to
> Safe Mode it said 'Restore Successful', yet when I tried to restart I
> still only got to the same Splash with green bar and then black and
> let it wait it out for over 5 minutes with not so much as a flicker
> out of the HD light.
>
> Device Manager shows nothing unusual.
>
> Win98SE boots and runs fine.
>
>
> Could MM5 have some issue with my board's controllers that would not
> go away with an Add/Remove?
>
>
> Not sure where I want to go from here, but this is all I can think of
> with only one cup of coffee in me.

FWIW, I've been running MBM 5 with my K7S5A (version 3.1 I think) since I
got it, over 1.5 years ago. No problems that I'm aware of. I'm running
Win98. No idea if there might be issues with WinXP, but the general
combination of MBM 5 and K7S5A doesn't seem to be a problem.

Good luck.

James