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Hi,

so what is the S.P. on the new version of ZA?

Should I stick with 5.5.094 or move to the latest version.

I have read that there are/were some minor 'glitches'

any recommendations would be appreciated.

Thanks

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nospam <nospam@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> so what is the S.P. on the new version of ZA?
> Should I stick with 5.5.094 or move to the latest version.

Forget Zonealarm. You don't need it. Just use the Windows-Firewall.

Yours,
VB.
--
"Es kann nicht sein, dass die Frustrierten in Rom bestimmen, was in
deutschen Schlafzimmern passiert".
Harald Schmidt zum "Weltjugendtag"

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"nospam" <nospam@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote...
> Hi,
>
> so what is the S.P. on the new version of ZA?
>
> Should I stick with 5.5.094 or move to the latest version.
>
> I have read that there are/were some minor 'glitches'
>
> any recommendations would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks

I use ZA Pro on Windows XP Home and have no problems with 6.0.667.000.
Note that for version 6, users and now even Zone Alarm recommend a "Clean
Installation" rather than "Update" (or is it "Upgrade"?) when given the
choice during installation. This will require ZA to relearn all its settings
but this is pretty painless. The new SmartDefense Advisor, when set to
Automatic, does a lot without requiring your intervention.

Craig

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Volker Birk wrote:
> nospam <nospam@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>so what is the S.P. on the new version of ZA?
>>Should I stick with 5.5.094 or move to the latest version.
>
>
> Forget Zonealarm. You don't need it. Just use the Windows-Firewall.
>
> Yours,
> VB.

Why use Windows Firewall ? It only blocks incoming traffic.

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Beermachine <frank66@luukkku.com> wrote:
> > Forget Zonealarm. You don't need it. Just use the Windows-Firewall.
> Why use Windows Firewall ? It only blocks incoming traffic.

Yes. And Zonealarm is blocking only the part of the outgoing traffic
of regular software programs, which let Zonealarm this control.

Any outgoing traffic of serious malware, Zonealarm cannot block. So this
is useless.

This is, why the Windows-Firewall is enough.

Yours,
VB.
--
"Es kann nicht sein, dass die Frustrierten in Rom bestimmen, was in
deutschen Schlafzimmern passiert".
Harald Schmidt zum "Weltjugendtag"

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Volker Birk said ...
> Beermachine <frank66@luukkku.com> wrote:
> > > Forget Zonealarm. You don't need it. Just use the Windows-Firewall.
> > Why use Windows Firewall ? It only blocks incoming traffic.
>
> Yes. And Zonealarm is blocking only the part of the outgoing traffic
> of regular software programs, which let Zonealarm this control.
>
> Any outgoing traffic of serious malware, Zonealarm cannot block. So this
> is useless.
>
> This is, why the Windows-Firewall is enough.
>
> Yours,
> VB.
>
Volker, do you get a fee every time you insist no firewall other than
Windows Firewall is necessary? ;-)
--
Sam

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Craig said ...
>
> "nospam" <nospam@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote...
> > Hi,
> >
> > so what is the S.P. on the new version of ZA?
> >
> > Should I stick with 5.5.094 or move to the latest version.
> >
> > I have read that there are/were some minor 'glitches'
> >
> > any recommendations would be appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks
>
> I use ZA Pro on Windows XP Home and have no problems with 6.0.667.000.
> Note that for version 6, users and now even Zone Alarm recommend a "Clean
> Installation" rather than "Update" (or is it "Upgrade"?) when given the
> choice during installation. This will require ZA to relearn all its settings
> but this is pretty painless. The new SmartDefense Advisor, when set to
> Automatic, does a lot without requiring your intervention.
>
> Craig
>
>
>
Yes but the smartdefense advisor doesn't work for ZA Free, AFAIK and
you have to then train the firewall all over again for each and every
piece of software wanting access to the outside world. I just upgraded
to the latest free version (by updating) with no problems, by the way
(Win XP Home).
--
Sam

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Sam <sam.sam@sam.samsam.com> wrote:
> Understood - but even so, isn't a firewall which at least stops some
> illicit outbound activity better than nothing?

No, for security purposes, it isn't. There may be other objects to do
like that, though.

> Cannot a software
> firewall, if well written, ever be of any use (for outbound protection)?

Not really, because of the existence of tunneling, and the impossibility
to prevent that.

You only should run software programs on your PC you're trusting in.

But of course, if the "Personal Firewalls" would be better implemented,
they could have features users would benefit from. For example, they
could support anonymizing systems like Tor or AN.ON/JAP, they could
offer an easy way to configure the port filter in the Windows kernel,
i.e. for making it easy to offer services to the local network but not
to the Internet, and they could help to stop servers people are running
instead of letting them run and filtering them.

But unfortunately, no "Personal Firewall" I know does that.

Yours,
VB.
--
"Es kann nicht sein, dass die Frustrierten in Rom bestimmen, was in
deutschen Schlafzimmern passiert".
Harald Schmidt zum "Weltjugendtag"

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On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 18:57:04 +0000 (UTC), Sam <sam.sam@sam.samsam.com> wrote:

>Craig said ...
>>
>> "nospam" <nospam@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote...
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > so what is the S.P. on the new version of ZA?
>> >
>> > Should I stick with 5.5.094 or move to the latest version.
>> >
>> > I have read that there are/were some minor 'glitches'
>> >
>> > any recommendations would be appreciated.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>>
>> I use ZA Pro on Windows XP Home and have no problems with 6.0.667.000.
>> Note that for version 6, users and now even Zone Alarm recommend a "Clean
>> Installation" rather than "Update" (or is it "Upgrade"?) when given the
>> choice during installation. This will require ZA to relearn all its settings
>> but this is pretty painless. The new SmartDefense Advisor, when set to
>> Automatic, does a lot without requiring your intervention.
>>
>> Craig
>>
>>
>>
>Yes but the smartdefense advisor doesn't work for ZA Free, AFAIK and
>you have to then train the firewall all over again for each and every
>piece of software wanting access to the outside world. I just upgraded
>to the latest free version (by updating) with no problems, by the way
>(Win XP Home).
I just updated over the top of the old as well - the only glitch is that "Pass Lock" does not work -
doesn't show up at all in the Program_Control/Programs tab.


-
Glen

Ottawa

(Remove the invalid NIT from the end of my address)

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On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 19:59:59 -0400, Glen McLean
<gkmclean@cyberus.caNIT.invalid> wrote:

>On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 18:57:04 +0000 (UTC), Sam <sam.sam@sam.samsam.com> wrote:
).
>I just updated over the top of the old as well - the only glitch is that "Pass Lock" does not work -
>doesn't show up at all in the Program_Control/Programs tab.
>

Do you have the free version of Zonealarm?

The Pass Lock feature has been removed from the free version of
Zonealarm 6.0, and is now only available on the paid versions of the
program.

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On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 01:45:34 +0100, Paulcsf <paulcsf@mailinator.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 19:59:59 -0400, Glen McLean
><gkmclean@cyberus.caNIT.invalid> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 18:57:04 +0000 (UTC), Sam <sam.sam@sam.samsam.com> wrote:
> ).
>>I just updated over the top of the old as well - the only glitch is that "Pass Lock" does not work -
>>doesn't show up at all in the Program_Control/Programs tab.
>>
>
>Do you have the free version of Zonealarm?
>
>The Pass Lock feature has been removed from the free version of
>Zonealarm 6.0, and is now only available on the paid versions of the
>program.
>
I was suspecting that, BUT, under
Program_Control/Main/Custom_Lock_Settings there is still an option to
"Allow Pass-Lock Programs to Access the Internet"

AND,

when you right-click the systemtray icon, there are still two options:
"Engage Internet Lock" and "Stop All Internet Activity".


-
Glen

(Remove the invalid NIT from the end of my address)

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On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 09:25:04 -0400, Glen McLean
<gkmclean@cyberus.caNIT.invalid> wrote:

>On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 01:45:34 +0100, Paulcsf <paulcsf@mailinator.com> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 19:59:59 -0400, Glen McLean
>><gkmclean@cyberus.caNIT.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 18:57:04 +0000 (UTC), Sam <sam.sam@sam.samsam.com> wrote:
>> ).
>>>I just updated over the top of the old as well - the only glitch is that "Pass Lock" does not work -
>>>doesn't show up at all in the Program_Control/Programs tab.
>>>
>>
>>Do you have the free version of Zonealarm?
>>
>>The Pass Lock feature has been removed from the free version of
>>Zonealarm 6.0, and is now only available on the paid versions of the
>>program.
>>
>I was suspecting that, BUT, under
>Program_Control/Main/Custom_Lock_Settings there is still an option to
>"Allow Pass-Lock Programs to Access the Internet"
>
>AND,
>
>when you right-click the systemtray icon, there are still two options:
>"Engage Internet Lock" and "Stop All Internet Activity".
>
A clean install of free Zonealarm 6.0 still has these options set-able
too, but the passlock function definately isnt a feature of the free
firewall.

I think free ZoneAlarm 6.0 has actually the same code as Zonealarm Pro
6.0 but with some of the extra features just temporarily disabled.

You can upgrade from Zonealarm to the fully functional trial version
of Zonealarm Pro (with pass-lock) without actually downloading any
more code.

Id imagine the developers have chosen simply to disable the ability to
set and read the pass-lock atribute in free Zonealarm, but have left
the other parts of the interface as they are for whatever reason.

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>>>The Pass Lock feature has been removed from the free version of
>>>Zonealarm 6.0, and is now only available on the paid versions of the
>>>program.

Silly question I guess but...


what is the pass lock?

I have installed, always a clean install never an upgrade, Zonealarm
Free version and allow it to start-up at boot time but then I never do
anything to it, except click allow or deny should a program I don't
recognise or want request internet access.

Do I need the pass lock function as I don't think I use it, unless I'm
using it with out knowing about it.

Thanks

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"nospam" <nospam@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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>
> >>>The Pass Lock feature has been removed from the free version of
> >>>Zonealarm 6.0, and is now only available on the paid versions of
the
> >>>program.
>
> Silly question I guess but...
>
>
> what is the pass lock?
>
> I have installed, always a clean install never an upgrade, Zonealarm
> Free version and allow it to start-up at boot time but then I never
do
> anything to it, except click allow or deny should a program I don't
> recognise or want request internet access.
>
> Do I need the pass lock function as I don't think I use it, unless
I'm
> using it with out knowing about it.
>
> Thanks

I don't think you need it, unless you're always connected to the
Internet. I tried it out for a couple days, and sometimes it would
refuse to unlock. I had to do an uninstall and re-install to get back
on the Internet. It's not worth it to me. The fewer bells and
whistles your programs have, the smoother your PC functions, anyway.
Just one user's opinion.

charlie R
>
>

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charlie R <welpctSKIPME@psci.net> writes
>
>"nospam" <nospam@nospam.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:6$LGqnAN0CLDFwKa@nospam.demon.co.uk...
>>
>> >>>The Pass Lock feature has been removed from the free version of
>> >>>Zonealarm 6.0, and is now only available on the paid versions of
>the
>> >>>program.
>>
>> Silly question I guess but...
>>
>>
>> what is the pass lock?
>>
>> I have installed, always a clean install never an upgrade, Zonealarm
>> Free version and allow it to start-up at boot time but then I never
>do
>> anything to it, except click allow or deny should a program I don't
>> recognise or want request internet access.
>>
>> Do I need the pass lock function as I don't think I use it, unless
>I'm
>> using it with out knowing about it.
>>
>> Thanks
>
>I don't think you need it, unless you're always connected to the
>Internet. I tried it out for a couple days, and sometimes it would
>refuse to unlock. I had to do an uninstall and re-install to get back
>on the Internet. It's not worth it to me. The fewer bells and
>whistles your programs have, the smoother your PC functions, anyway.
>Just one user's opinion.
>
>charlie R
>>
>>
>

Sounds good advice to me.

I tried to buy a washing machine recently, could I get one with just a
wash button, no I had to have one with 4 million different functions.

Sounds like an upgrade to version 6 is OK