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Let's talk about the concept of 'Name Brand' as it applies to laptop
computers.
Virtually none of the "Name" brands manufacture their own laptops,
with the only exceptions being Asus, Twinhead and Apple, and even
Twinhead and Apple do not make all of their own.

All of the rest buy their laptops from what is called an Original
Design Manufacturer (ODM). These ODMs sell their computers to several
different OEMs who then install the Hard Drive (usually an Hitachi or
Toshiba), Processor and System Memory. They then put their label on it
and market it.


For example:

An ODM named Clevo makes the Sager NP5690 and the original Alienware
Area 51-M, the Voodoo MClass M550, the Hypersonic Aviator GX6, and
they are all the same computer. Clevo also makes the Sager NP8790, the
Falcon Northwest Fragbook DL, and the Voodoo Envy M:780, and they are
also the same computer.

Of course the Sager models have a much sweeter price tag!

An ODM named Compal makes some of the DELL, Hewlett Packard and Compaq
line of laptops, as well as the PowerPro M 5:6, PowerPro M 5:14, and
the PowerPro M 6:33.


Asus, famous worldwide for their top quality motherboards and other
components, also makes their own laptops, and the PowerPro C 3:17 and
the PowerPro C 3:12.

The Dell Latitude and the Sony Vaio are made by Quanta, who also makes
many of the IBM laptops, and the now-discontinued PowerPro C 3:16.
Quanta is well known as the best and highest quality laptop ODM in the
world.

The Micron Transport Treck and Treck 2 are made by GVC. Compaq is
actually manufactured by companies called Inventec (Armada and
Prosignia lines) and Arima (Presario line).

Other ODM names are Mitac, FIC, and Uniwill, among others. Not exactly
what you would call "Name" brands, and yet it is their laptops that
end up with the "Name" brands on them.

Sager and Pro-Star Computers are made by Clevo. Clevo is one of the
largest, and best, in the world.

Well, you get the idea.

Some call this the "Dirty little secret of the Laptop Industry".

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That's not news - it's been going on for years. The stats on who makes what
are out of date, but something on the order of 80% of the world's notebooks
are made by a few ODMs from Taiwan (and many of the others come from Samsung
or LGE of Korea).

It IS true that though the same company may make multiple models (almost all
17" widescreens are made by Compal, whether they're branded Apple, HPaq,
Sony, Toshiba, for instance), that the ODMs DO NOT sell parts to end users -
making the choice of vendor an important one. The biggest issue with
no-brand notebooks is the lack of support for parts, should they (as happens
very commonly) go belly-up.

It used to be that you could find the same notebooks sold by Dell as by
smaller vendors, all made by Compal or Quanta - now, that's no longer true -
the models sold by Dell are not the same as the ones sold by the smaller
vendors, so the parts source is no longer there.




"Cal Cerise" <calcerise@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:a08e01d0.0410161456.435001b3@posting.google.com...
> http://www.powernotebooks.com/articles/Name_Brand.php3
>
> Let's talk about the concept of 'Name Brand' as it applies to laptop
> computers.
> Virtually none of the "Name" brands manufacture their own laptops,
> with the only exceptions being Asus, Twinhead and Apple, and even
> Twinhead and Apple do not make all of their own.
>
> All of the rest buy their laptops from what is called an Original
> Design Manufacturer (ODM). These ODMs sell their computers to several
> different OEMs who then install the Hard Drive (usually an Hitachi or
> Toshiba), Processor and System Memory. They then put their label on it
> and market it.
>
>
> For example:
>
> An ODM named Clevo makes the Sager NP5690 and the original Alienware
> Area 51-M, the Voodoo MClass M550, the Hypersonic Aviator GX6, and
> they are all the same computer. Clevo also makes the Sager NP8790, the
> Falcon Northwest Fragbook DL, and the Voodoo Envy M:780, and they are
> also the same computer.
>
> Of course the Sager models have a much sweeter price tag!
>
> An ODM named Compal makes some of the DELL, Hewlett Packard and Compaq
> line of laptops, as well as the PowerPro M 5:6, PowerPro M 5:14, and
> the PowerPro M 6:33.
>
>
> Asus, famous worldwide for their top quality motherboards and other
> components, also makes their own laptops, and the PowerPro C 3:17 and
> the PowerPro C 3:12.
>
> The Dell Latitude and the Sony Vaio are made by Quanta, who also makes
> many of the IBM laptops, and the now-discontinued PowerPro C 3:16.
> Quanta is well known as the best and highest quality laptop ODM in the
> world.
>
> The Micron Transport Treck and Treck 2 are made by GVC. Compaq is
> actually manufactured by companies called Inventec (Armada and
> Prosignia lines) and Arima (Presario line).
>
> Other ODM names are Mitac, FIC, and Uniwill, among others. Not exactly
> what you would call "Name" brands, and yet it is their laptops that
> end up with the "Name" brands on them.
>
> Sager and Pro-Star Computers are made by Clevo. Clevo is one of the
> largest, and best, in the world.
>
> Well, you get the idea.
>
> Some call this the "Dirty little secret of the Laptop Industry".

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Dirty little secret? Where have you been all these years? Maybe you don't read
the same trade rags that I do. Name-brand laptop manufacture has been farmed
out to ODMs for many years. Same with desktops. What you get when you buy a
name brand laptop is service and access to spare parts, many of them custom
designed for the brand name. So service and spares are EXTREMELY important for
laptops, less so for desktops which rely almost 100% on commodity electronics
put inside a customized name-brand chassis... Ben Myers

On 16 Oct 2004 15:56:51 -0700, calcerise@hotmail.com (Cal Cerise) wrote:

>http://www.powernotebooks.com/articles/Name_Brand.php3
>
>Let's talk about the concept of 'Name Brand' as it applies to laptop
>computers.
> Virtually none of the "Name" brands manufacture their own laptops,
>with the only exceptions being Asus, Twinhead and Apple, and even
>Twinhead and Apple do not make all of their own.
>
>All of the rest buy their laptops from what is called an Original
>Design Manufacturer (ODM). These ODMs sell their computers to several
>different OEMs who then install the Hard Drive (usually an Hitachi or
>Toshiba), Processor and System Memory. They then put their label on it
>and market it.
>
>
>For example:
>
>An ODM named Clevo makes the Sager NP5690 and the original Alienware
>Area 51-M, the Voodoo MClass M550, the Hypersonic Aviator GX6, and
>they are all the same computer. Clevo also makes the Sager NP8790, the
>Falcon Northwest Fragbook DL, and the Voodoo Envy M:780, and they are
>also the same computer.
>
>Of course the Sager models have a much sweeter price tag!
>
>An ODM named Compal makes some of the DELL, Hewlett Packard and Compaq
>line of laptops, as well as the PowerPro M 5:6, PowerPro M 5:14, and
>the PowerPro M 6:33.
>
>
>Asus, famous worldwide for their top quality motherboards and other
>components, also makes their own laptops, and the PowerPro C 3:17 and
>the PowerPro C 3:12.
>
>The Dell Latitude and the Sony Vaio are made by Quanta, who also makes
>many of the IBM laptops, and the now-discontinued PowerPro C 3:16.
>Quanta is well known as the best and highest quality laptop ODM in the
>world.
>
>The Micron Transport Treck and Treck 2 are made by GVC. Compaq is
>actually manufactured by companies called Inventec (Armada and
>Prosignia lines) and Arima (Presario line).
>
>Other ODM names are Mitac, FIC, and Uniwill, among others. Not exactly
>what you would call "Name" brands, and yet it is their laptops that
>end up with the "Name" brands on them.
>
>Sager and Pro-Star Computers are made by Clevo. Clevo is one of the
>largest, and best, in the world.
>
>Well, you get the idea.
>
>Some call this the "Dirty little secret of the Laptop Industry".

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On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 01:40:14 GMT, ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net
(Ben Myers) wrote:

>Dirty little secret? Where have you been all these years? Maybe you don't read
>the same trade rags that I do. Name-brand laptop manufacture has been farmed
>out to ODMs for many years. Same with desktops. What you get when you buy a
>name brand laptop is service and access to spare parts, many of them custom
>designed for the brand name. So service and spares are EXTREMELY important for
>laptops, less so for desktops which rely almost 100% on commodity electronics
>put inside a customized name-brand chassis... Ben Myers

However what usually ends up happening is that soon after a particular
model is discontinued by the ODM - the ODM will also stop
manufacturing and supplying parts for the discontiend models (at least
in a reasonable timeframe)to the brand name resellers. Sometimes even
while they are under extended reseller warranties.

Also the ODMs in order to maximise their profits - sell very little in
the way of individual parts to the resellers - usually just complete
chasis (minus CPU, RAM, drives etc). The net result being that once
the notebook is out of warranty - if say the screen inverter fails the
end customer is up for the cost of a complete replacement chasis.
Same if a hinge breaks.



Albert Alcoceba
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Not necessarily true, and in fact, one major reason for going not with an
off-brand but with a major, big seller (such as Dell, Gateway at one time,
etc.). The supply of parts is much greater, in the same way you can find
far more parts - new or used - for a Toyota Camry than for a Daewoo Leganza.

It also helps if a manufacturer uses the same chassis for a long period of
time (like the C-chassis and D-chassis Dells, which have a lot of
interchangeable parts - same for many of the IBM ThinkPads).





"Albert Alcoceba" <alberta@REMOVE.ihug.com.au> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 01:40:14 GMT, ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net
> (Ben Myers) wrote:
>
>>Dirty little secret? Where have you been all these years? Maybe you
>>don't read
>>the same trade rags that I do. Name-brand laptop manufacture has been
>>farmed
>>out to ODMs for many years. Same with desktops. What you get when you
>>buy a
>>name brand laptop is service and access to spare parts, many of them
>>custom
>>designed for the brand name. So service and spares are EXTREMELY
>>important for
>>laptops, less so for desktops which rely almost 100% on commodity
>>electronics
>>put inside a customized name-brand chassis... Ben Myers
>
> However what usually ends up happening is that soon after a particular
> model is discontinued by the ODM - the ODM will also stop
> manufacturing and supplying parts for the discontiend models (at least
> in a reasonable timeframe)to the brand name resellers. Sometimes even
> while they are under extended reseller warranties.
>
> Also the ODMs in order to maximise their profits - sell very little in
> the way of individual parts to the resellers - usually just complete
> chasis (minus CPU, RAM, drives etc). The net result being that once
> the notebook is out of warranty - if say the screen inverter fails the
> end customer is up for the cost of a complete replacement chasis.
> Same if a hinge breaks.