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Refurbished E3400 TOWER PIII is on its way to me, dumb me, come to
discover its NLX form factor with an AGP/NLX video slot . Any wisdom
on availability, best selection of a NLX/AGP card? From what I see
only a very limited, very old, hard to find crop of cards were
made in the NLX/AGP form factor? Has any one sucessfully installed a
standard AGP in this tooless mid tower, perhaps just a back panel
modification? As well any way of replacing the power supply with a
standard ATX? Thanks

Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.gateway2000 (More info?)

The power supply in an NLX box uses a standard pre-Pentium 4 ATX power
connector. Check the dimensions and the wattage. Some NLX machines use the
same "standard" ATX power supply used before the industry diverged off into all
sorts of microATX power supplies. If the wattage is substandard, then a
replacement might be possible.

AGP video cards made for an NLX chassis have a different slot cover and they are
shorter than the usual AGP cards which fit in a standard slot. You're right.
The selection is limited to older cards like a Matrox G450, Elsa (some version
used by Compaq), and certain older ATI models. I have a few here that I'll let
go for cheap, or you can shop around on eBay using a search keyword of NLX (what
else?)... Ben Myers

On Fri, 28 May 2004 15:22:55 -0400, expat@surfglobal.net wrote:

>Refurbished E3400 TOWER PIII is on its way to me, dumb me, come to
>discover its NLX form factor with an AGP/NLX video slot . Any wisdom
>on availability, best selection of a NLX/AGP card? From what I see
>only a very limited, very old, hard to find crop of cards were
>made in the NLX/AGP form factor? Has any one sucessfully installed a
>standard AGP in this tooless mid tower, perhaps just a back panel
>modification? As well any way of replacing the power supply with a
>standard ATX? Thanks

Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.gateway2000 (More info?)

Ben, please send me Email expat@surfglobal.net. I'm upgrading from a
180 overdrive Pent 1, overclocked at 200 MHz to this used Pent III
at 1 Ghz, long way from AMD64 or Pent 4 so we know this old guy is on
a limited budget. Cheap is good, so is being fair, let me know what
you have, will pay fair price for best I can get, been surfing, hear
good things on Elsa, Sales rep at Matrox says only G400 single head
works NLX, hear good things on ATI Rage 128, looking for min. 16MB
mem. for some little performance.
Jacques





On Sat, 29 May 2004 00:04:23 GMT, ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net
(Ben Myers) wrote:

>The power supply in an NLX box uses a standard pre-Pentium 4 ATX power
>connector. Check the dimensions and the wattage. Some NLX machines use the
>same "standard" ATX power supply used before the industry diverged off into all
>sorts of microATX power supplies. If the wattage is substandard, then a
>replacement might be possible.
>
>AGP video cards made for an NLX chassis have a different slot cover and they are
>shorter than the usual AGP cards which fit in a standard slot. You're right.
>The selection is limited to older cards like a Matrox G450, Elsa (some version
>used by Compaq), and certain older ATI models. I have a few here that I'll let
>go for cheap, or you can shop around on eBay using a search keyword of NLX (what
>else?)... Ben Myers
>
>On Fri, 28 May 2004 15:22:55 -0400, expat@surfglobal.net wrote:
>
>>Refurbished E3400 TOWER PIII is on its way to me, dumb me, come to
>>discover its NLX form factor with an AGP/NLX video slot . Any wisdom
>>on availability, best selection of a NLX/AGP card? From what I see
>>only a very limited, very old, hard to find crop of cards were
>>made in the NLX/AGP form factor? Has any one sucessfully installed a
>>standard AGP in this tooless mid tower, perhaps just a back panel
>>modification? As well any way of replacing the power supply with a
>>standard ATX? Thanks

Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.gateway2000 (More info?)

Ben, please send me Email expat@surfglobal.net. I'm upgrading from a
180 overdrive Pent 1, overclocked at 200 MHz to this used Pent III
at 1 Ghz, long way from AMD64 or Pent 4 so we know this old guy is on
a limited budget. Cheap is good, so is being fair, let me know what
you have, will pay fair price for best I can get, been surfing, hear
good things on Elsa, Sales rep at Matrox says only G400 single head
works NLX, hear good things on ATI Rage 128, looking for min. 16MB
mem. for some little performance.
Jacque





On Sat, 29 May 2004 00:04:23 GMT, ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net
(Ben Myers) wrote:

>The power supply in an NLX box uses a standard pre-Pentium 4 ATX power
>connector. Check the dimensions and the wattage. Some NLX machines use the
>same "standard" ATX power supply used before the industry diverged off into all
>sorts of microATX power supplies. If the wattage is substandard, then a
>replacement might be possible.
>
>AGP video cards made for an NLX chassis have a different slot cover and they are
>shorter than the usual AGP cards which fit in a standard slot. You're right.
>The selection is limited to older cards like a Matrox G450, Elsa (some version
>used by Compaq), and certain older ATI models. I have a few here that I'll let
>go for cheap, or you can shop around on eBay using a search keyword of NLX (what
>else?)... Ben Myers
>
>On Fri, 28 May 2004 15:22:55 -0400, expat@surfglobal.net wrote:
>
>>Refurbished E3400 TOWER PIII is on its way to me, dumb me, come to
>>discover its NLX form factor with an AGP/NLX video slot . Any wisdom
>>on availability, best selection of a NLX/AGP card? From what I see
>>only a very limited, very old, hard to find crop of cards were
>>made in the NLX/AGP form factor? Has any one sucessfully installed a
>>standard AGP in this tooless mid tower, perhaps just a back panel
>>modification? As well any way of replacing the power supply with a
>>standard ATX? Thanks

Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.gateway2000 (More info?)

Ben,
Bought a Elsa Gloria II w/nVidia Quadro - 64MB, AGP 2x/4x, VGA @
$31.00 on EBAY, looking for NLX bracket, found couple of sources, all
in all happy with what I could get that fits. Next decent sound card
for HiFi play back classical CDs. P/S seems to have all in one quick
disconnect,should be cable that hopefully ties into standard ATX
mainboard connector with branches for IDE Drives, will see, touchy
about P/S, bought PC Power & cooling Turbo 350 AT for Pent 200 and
cured a lot of mystery problems I had with that old 1996 platform so
will see about retrofiting Gateway P/S. Good P/S, Memory and driver
quality seem to be best bang fo the buck cure all for many problems.
Looking forward to receiving the gateway tower. Seems to be the forum
for things Gateway, appreciate the wisdom.
Jacques

Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.gateway2000 (More info?)

As a rule, you'll need an NLX bracket made for the Elsa, most often found in
Compaq systems. I have a couple of Elsa NLX cards here and an ATI 16MB Rage NLX
card. Given that the Elsa card has an nVidia chip, you are not out of luck for
drivers, even though Elsa is history. You can just download the drivers from
the nVidia web site. It's always nice to deal with market leading chipsets.
Keeping that thought in mind, may I suggest a Creative Labs Sound Blaster for
the audio?

.... Ben Myers

On Sat, 29 May 2004 13:53:49 -0400, expat@surfglobal.net wrote:

>Ben,
>Bought a Elsa Gloria II w/nVidia Quadro - 64MB, AGP 2x/4x, VGA @
>$31.00 on EBAY, looking for NLX bracket, found couple of sources, all
>in all happy with what I could get that fits. Next decent sound card
>for HiFi play back classical CDs. P/S seems to have all in one quick
>disconnect,should be cable that hopefully ties into standard ATX
>mainboard connector with branches for IDE Drives, will see, touchy
>about P/S, bought PC Power & cooling Turbo 350 AT for Pent 200 and
>cured a lot of mystery problems I had with that old 1996 platform so
>will see about retrofiting Gateway P/S. Good P/S, Memory and driver
>quality seem to be best bang fo the buck cure all for many problems.
>Looking forward to receiving the gateway tower. Seems to be the forum
>for things Gateway, appreciate the wisdom.
>Jacques
>

Archived from groups: alt.sys.pc-clone.gateway2000 (More info?)

Ben,

been setting up the PIII, using WinXP PRO and DSL connection, what a
world of difference since 1996. Had to take it apart, wouldn't post,
reseated the M/B to the Riser card then all was well, one great
mystery problem, warning for others with this tooless E400 tower case.
Elsa still alive and well.although likely weak in U.S. Market, feel
their presence is Asia and Europe. downloaded drivers, see
http://www.elsa.com/EN/ for latest products. My old HX chip set board
was made by Octek, Ocean systems, great mother board for the classic
Pent 1 but only well known in Austrailla and Asia, lucky find for me
here in states back when, cost $20.00 new. My sound card, a Guillemot
Home Studio Pro is a hughe ISA w/ daughter board card, as it's ISA
usless now for me, what a great Card! Unbeliveable sound quality,
absolute best DACs, hardware Midi, powerfull processor w/no load on
cpu, etc. If you can find one it's probably free at this point, time
goes on.
Old sound blasters gave me headches, good reviews in recent times,
would love RME but that is dreaming, M-audio revolution has had issues
from forum postings, near top of line Creative might be best value,
Turtle Beach loved by many, given quality I always fondly thought of
the Terratec DMX-6Fire LT, used would be good. I agree good to stay
with market leaders, I'm catching up, gone from 5 generations behind
to 2 generations behind, a couple of years will catch up to SATA
Drives, PCI-EXpress, 64 bit CPU, fast memory. Let me know what you
need for your Elsa, could use bracket and backup card, chip set as you
say is not most current but heck for $31.00 and fits this damn NLX
form factor it's the best I can do for now.



On Sat, 29 May 2004 23:18:42 GMT, ben_myers_spam_me_not @ charter.net
(Ben Myers) wrote:

>As a rule, you'll need an NLX bracket made for the Elsa, most often found in
>Compaq systems. I have a couple of Elsa NLX cards here and an ATI 16MB Rage NLX
>card. Given that the Elsa card has an nVidia chip, you are not out of luck for
>drivers, even though Elsa is history. You can just download the drivers from
>the nVidia web site. It's always nice to deal with market leading chipsets.
>Keeping that thought in mind, may I suggest a Creative Labs Sound Blaster for
>the audio?
>
>... Ben Myers
>
>On Sat, 29 May 2004 13:53:49 -0400, expat@surfglobal.net wrote:
>
>>Ben,
>>Bought a Elsa Gloria II w/nVidia Quadro - 64MB, AGP 2x/4x, VGA @
>>$31.00 on EBAY, looking for NLX bracket, found couple of sources, all
>>in all happy with what I could get that fits. Next decent sound card
>>for HiFi play back classical CDs. P/S seems to have all in one quick
>>disconnect,should be cable that hopefully ties into standard ATX
>>mainboard connector with branches for IDE Drives, will see, touchy
>>about P/S, bought PC Power & cooling Turbo 350 AT for Pent 200 and
>>cured a lot of mystery problems I had with that old 1996 platform so
>>will see about retrofiting Gateway P/S. Good P/S, Memory and driver
>>quality seem to be best bang fo the buck cure all for many problems.
>>Looking forward to receiving the gateway tower. Seems to be the forum
>>for things Gateway, appreciate the wisdom.
>>Jacques
>>