If you are dreaming about buying a JVC Everio , well, here is another option : Evergreen (Japan) introduced their version of this type of product, the DN-HDDV8000. To reduce the cost, this model does not have a harddrive but a CF Type 2 slot, in which you can slide a 5 GByte MicroDrive, for example. If you forget your CF, you still can make use of the 16 MByte internal memory. The videos are in MPEG-4, 640x480 at only 11 fps. If you want 30 fps, the resolution has to be dropped to 320x240. The video sensor for the pictures has a 4 megapixel resolution. The price is bargain basement : about $$160.