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Study Finds Macs Cost 2X Windows PCs

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A new study released by NPD Group today says that the average price for Macs are twice as expensive as those for the "average PC." According to NPD’s study the average price for a Windows laptop has dropped from $877 to just $700 today. Although at this point, NPD Group did not reveal what laptops it was referring to.

NPD Group’s study also mentioned that the cost of the average Apple system remains above $1500 and has only dropped a measly $59 in the last two years of sales. NPD also mentions that the average price for a Mac is roughly $1000 more than the "common Windows desktop," which NPD says sells for $550. No configuration for the $550 desktop was revealed.

There’s definitely a large margin in prices for Windows PCs and Mac desktops. The issue with Apple is that while prices may be more competitive now than they use to be, there’s no major option in the mid-range for those interested. For example, while the iMac is well balanced and great for many, the higher-end Mac Pro is heavy weighted in processing power but very limp in terms of graphics and system memory.

Rumors over the last several months indicate that Apple may be introducing a tower desktop similar to the Mac Pro, with the balanced system components like the iMac, at a more affordable price than the baseline Mac Pro. Possibly called just "Mac" without the "Pro," the new system would offer users better affordability, more avenues for expansion, and no lock-down in the display category. The major drawback with the iMac systems is that customers are stuck with the display.

While Apple is quickly gaining market share, it’s total cut of the industry pie still lags far behind Windows desktops. Apple’s net gains on margins remain very high because of its pricing, and caters to the premium market. We contacted NPD Group for a clue-in on what system configuration it used for the $550 average Windows desktop it used in its study, but no comment was returned to us as of this writing.

We priced together the current Prceision T7400 (the direct competitor to the Mac Pro) with similar specs as the base Mac Pro :

2 x Quad Core Intel Xeon Processor E5440 (2.83GHz,2X6M L2,1333)
Genuine Windows Vista Business Bonus-Windows XP Professional loaded
3 Year Limited Hardware Warranty with Next Business Day On-Site Service
256MB PCIe x16 nVidia Quadro FX570, Dual Monitor DVI Capable
2GB, DDR2 SDRAM FBD Memory, 667MHz, ECC (2 DIMMS)
16X DVD+/-RW w/ Cyberlink PowerDVD and Roxio Creator Dell Ed
C1 All SATA drives, Non-RAID, 1 drive total configuration
250GB SATA 3.0Gb/s,7200 RPM Hard Drive with 8MB DataBurst Cache
Dell 19 inch UltraSharp 1908FP Flat Panel, adjustable stand, VGA/DVI

Dell’s selling price for this system is $3948 ($4492 regular with discount). Dell however, includes a 19-inch Dell UltraSharp 1908FP display, which sells for $289 on its online store. We were unable to remove the display from the configuration as Dell indicated that the UltraSharp 1908FP was included in the system build. However, without the display, the purchase price would have been reduced to $3659 — for the targeted workstation space, Apple’s offering comes out cheaper. These two builds are based on current offerings from Apple and Dell. With both systems being offered with such closely related specifications, it’s clear that the systems are not for end-users and more for people doing business.

In the desktop space, we take a look at Dell’s Inspiron 518 desktop, which is comparable to Apple’s iMac offerings. In its best configuration, the Inspiron 518 comes configured as :

Intel® Core 2 Quad processor Q6600 (8MB L2, 2.4GHz, 1333FSB)
Genuine Windows Vista® Home Premium Service Pack 1
Dell E198WFP 19-inch Wide Flat Panel
3GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 800MHz (4 DIMM)
500GB Serial ATA Hard Drive (7200RPM) w/DataBurst Cache
16X DVD+/-RW Drive
Integrated Intel Graphics Media Accelerator 3100
Integrated 7.1 Channel Audio
Dell Entry Keyboard and Dell Optical USB Mouse

Meanwhile, Apple’s baseline iMac comes with only 1 GB of memory, a 250 GB hard drive but a slightly better ATI Radeon 2400 XT for $1199 — The Inspiron 518 ? $749. Apple’s iMac however comes with a 20-inch LCD. Adding a E207WFP 20-inch for $234 brings the Inspiron 518’s price up to $983 — still cheaper than the cheapest iMac by more than $200 and customers are not stuck with a screen for the rest of the computer’s life.

NPD Group indicated that the drops in PC desktop and laptop prices will start to flatten out and unlikely drop further in the near future. The study indicated that competition in the Windows systems space is fierce and margin between systems remains extremely low. Apple’s margins however, remain relatively high.

With increased pressure from consumers and the industry overall, it will sense for Apple to introduce systems in between its current offerings, which at this point leave a big gap between the low end and the high end. From the comments on Tom’s Hardware alone the biggest complaint is that people can source systems not necessarily from IBM, HP or Dell, that cost much less than the awkwardly configured Mac Pro — especially from the stand point of heavy gaming needs. For business needs, Apple’s pricing may make sense, but as many Tom’s Hardware readers pointed out, none of Apple’s offerings make any sense for them. Apple has indicated on several occasions that it would be more serious about gaming. While increased developer support in the form of dual platform releases (simultaneous Windows and OS X releases) indicate this to be true, its hardware configurations do not currently match the company’s promise. While the iMacs and Mac Minis may cater well to more casual or business users, serious gamers have clearly voiced their disgust at Apple’s pricier offerings.

Competitive Windows PC manufacturers continue to bulk up their systems with better specs to differentiate themselves instead of continuing to cut cost, have become very attractive to would-be Mac/PC decision makers. Apple on the other hand, has done little in comparison, to bulk up its specifications. Minor CPU upgrades over the last six months are disappointing to many who are interested in giving OS X Leopard a try, but are steered away from Apple’s up front costs.

My suggestion to Apple : Create several options that allow expansion, with a more balanced system spec instead of being heavy in the CPU department and lacking everywhere else. Offer a few more graphics card options and work with third party manufacturers to offer more compatible add-in cards and Apple may swing more favorable impressions from loyal Windows PC users.

While Apple may be competitive in the workstation market, its sparse desktop offerings and lack of upgrade options for the desktop leave many concerned. Apple’s prices for upgrades are also considerably more expensive than what Windows users are able to get.

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Anonymous 07/08/2008 10:14
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The "2 x Quad Core Intel Xeon Processor E5440 (2.83GHz,2X6M L2,1333)" you have selected for the Dell build does not match the default configuration Mac Pro. The Mac Pro has 2 x Quad Core Intel Xeon Processor E5400 (2.8GHz, 2x12M L2, 1600) which are much faster than the E5440. The Apple's processors have twice the Level 2 Caches and the Front Side Buss is 1.6GHZ compared to the Dell's 1.333GHz FSB. TO really compare Apples to Apples, one must upgrade both machines to the 3.2GHz Xeon Processors.

JDocs 07/08/2008 11:52
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Er... That must be a typo because I'm not aware of an Intel Core 2 chip with a total of 24mb L2 cache...

tomdrum 07/08/2008 13:16
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So this is in direct contrast to "macs cost the same as PC's" article

LePhuronn 07/08/2008 14:13
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@tomdrum

This article is saying two things, and one of those things matches what was said in the "Macs cost the same" article.

If you compare like-for-like specs Macs usually work out the same price, but in this article it does state something I and a few others touched on in that there's no mid or low-end Mac offering, so baseline Apple products do work out twice as expensive.

LuxZg 07/08/2008 19:08
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I'll just modify my previous comment on the "Mac cost misconception" to make it clear how come Mac is 2x more money for the same hardware/software, or more than 4x less value for the same amount of money.

I'll just use original Croatian prices this time (kn=croatian kuna; currently 1$ US = 4,67 kn).

Cheapeast Mac is iMac, 20", 2.4GHz CPU, 1GB RAM, 250GB HDD, HD 2400XT, 8x DVD-RW, nothing added - here is direct link - http://store.apple.hr/IMC-Apple-St [...] .1.7.1.3.1
COST: 8349,00kn + keyboard with Croatian layout another 409kn = 8758kn

this iMac here - http://store.apple.hr/IMC-Apple-St [...] .1.7.1.3.1 is next in lineup, and it with croatian keayboard costs 11268kn

My custom build #1 (performance):
Monitor Samsung 24" SM245B+, 1920x1200 - 2805kn
Logitech X-540 speakers - 636kn
ATI HD4870 card - 1755kn
E8400 CPU (3GHz) - 999kn
Intel P45 MBO (MSI Neo) - 645kn
4x 1GB DDR 800 - 4x 116kn = 464kn
case with 250mm fans, APLUS CS-3060 Xclio II - 399kn
550W Chieftec PSU with tripple 18A rails and dual PEG connectors (great for HD4870 and E8400 plus a niiiice overclocking headroom) - 460kn
LG 20x DVD-RW/DVD-RAM, Dual layer, super-multi whatever - 146kn
Logitech MX518 mouse - 222kn
Logitech G15 keyboard - 533kn
2x 640GB WD drives - 2x 482kn = 964
Vista Home Premium 32bit - 767kn
Accelero S1 heatsink - 160kn
Thermalright Ultra Extreme 120 - 380kn
4x HiperFlow 120mm fan - 4x 39kn = 156kn
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Total 11491 kn

So comparing to the second iMac:
24" display vs 20"; 3,0GHZ vs 2,66GHz; 4GB RAM vs 2GB; 1280GB vs 320GB; 20x DVD vs 8x; HD4870 vs HD2600PRO; 5.1 speakers vs stereo; MX518 vs MightyMouse; G15 vs Apple keyboard
..and don't forget I've included enough cooling to have PC on 4GHz and HD4870@850/1100

In the end, just fire up this PC and that second iMac, and you'll get 4x more performance, 4x storage space, much better audio, bigger screen, better keyboard and mouse.. overall - PC will eat iMac for breakfast. That's what you get for the same amount of money.

If I want a PC that compares to iMac by the components (hardware) here it is!
For the price of cheaper Mac (8758kn) I can get 767kn Vista, 150kn keyboard, 150kn mouse, 269kn HDD, 143kn optical, 150kn case with PSU, 150kn speakers, 116kn RAM, 330kn G31 MBO, 518kn CPU, 212kn 2400XT but with 256MB RAM, and even same as above Samsung 24" LCD - TOTAL: 5755kn. So this iMac is easily 1,5x more money than comparable PC.

Very next iMac which I've used above is already 11268kn and to get my PC up to same specs I just have to spend 428kn more for faster CPU, another 116kn for more RAM, just 70kn more for bigger HDD, and 40kn more for VGA - though I can get newer VGA models for even less money. So while my PC gets just 654kn more expensive and going up to total of 6409kn, iMac gets whooping 2510kn more expensive for these additions. Now I'm already at 1,75x the PC price.
And if you want even better iMac model - more of the price advantage PC gets.
Note, these two are cheapo iMacs, without any options what-so-ever (except for Croatian keyboard layout that you really need in Croatia). So I haven't used any options like bigger HDD or more RAM. So go figure..

Btw, all these iMacs are worthless IMHO, cos they are very unbalanced (200$ CPU with 50$ VGA, 50$ VGA with 1920x1200 resolution, underpowered DVD burner, smallish disk drive etC), especialy for the price you pay. These are usefull, and "balanced", only for watching DVD movies.

That's my.. a lot of cents.

Anonymous 08/08/2008 13:39
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