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MSI gtx 970 VS 1050ti Gaming X

getting new gaming PC very soon for few games like WoW, CS, batlefield, GTA 5 etc ... got 2 brand new choices
1- i5 7400 / bad motherboard h110 / Msi gtx 970 gaming 4gb / 8gb RAM
2- ryzen 1600 / msi b350 gaming Plus / msi gtx 1050ti gaming X / 8gb RAM

to be honnest, i love ryzen (6 cores 12 threads, 70% CPU utilisation maximum in all modern games which is super future proof, same am4 socket untill 2020) but that MSI 970 made me think again and again.

glad to receive some help.
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  1. I will go with Ryzen build, may get you better FPS than the 1st build in games as long as you pick the right setting. You can easily upgrade GPU in the future if you feel 1050 ti can not satisfy you any more. 1050 ti can play any AAA games with decent FPS. Battlefield will love 6 cores. WOW and CS are single core but 1600 still can get ~80 for WOW and 300-400 for CS.
  2. Are those your only options because you could likely get a more balanced build with a slightly worse CPU maybe a 1400 or 1500 and a 1060... Unless you are doing more CPU intensive tasks than running games.
  3. Build your own system. I have got ryzen 5 1600 with gtx 1080 and it is exelent. Way better than 4cores i5's that is for sure.
  4. vapour said:
    I will go with Ryzen build, may get you better FPS than the 1st build in games as long as you pick the right setting. You can easily upgrade GPU in the future if you feel 1050 ti can not satisfy you any more. 1050 ti can play any AAA games with decent FPS. Battlefield will love 6 cores. WOW and CS are single core but 1600 still can get ~80 for WOW and 300-400 for CS.


    ryzenlover2017 said:
    Are those your only options because you could likely get a more balanced build with a slightly worse CPU maybe a 1400 or 1500 and a 1060... Unless you are doing more CPU intensive tasks than running games.


    i can downgrade to ryzen 1500x but that difference doesnt give enough room to upgrade the GPU, so guess am stuck with 1050ti for 2 years, and its cool for the few games i want to play
  5. jakubek160 said:
    Build your own system. I have got ryzen 5 1600 with gtx 1080 and it is exelent. Way better than 4cores i5's that is for sure.


    ryzen iss great, but the 1080 price is equal to the whole RIG in my country
  6. Get ryzen 5 1600 and gtx 1050 ti , but personally I would find the money for gtx 1060 6gb to be ohnest man. If you just simply can't do it , take gtx 1050 ti and then replace it in a year or something.
  7. I would go for the 1400 and a 1060 3gb. That combo would be about the same price as you can get a 1060 for 180.
  8. i think i have the final decision, Ryzen 1600 idea is locked ( 6 cores will last at least for 4 years same as 4 cores lasted for 5 years from 2012) so i have to go for 1050ti for now which is enough for my needs so why spending more for something i would not use.
    emotionally i want the 1080 or 1060 at least like everyone but wisdom in reality is a good friend.
  9. gm-madi said:
    i think i have the final decision, Ryzen 1600 idea is locked ( 6 cores will last at least for 4 years same as 4 cores lasted for 5 years from 2012) so i have to go for 1050ti for now which is enough for my needs so why spending more for something i would not use.
    emotionally i want the 1080 or 1060 at least like everyone but wisdom in reality is a good friend.


    how much is a 1600 vs a i5 8400 where you live?


    a 1600 is no more "future proof" than the 8350 was when it released
  10. vapour said:
    ~80 for WOW


    while flying maybe


    drops to 30 - 40 fps in raid situations
  11. maxalge said:
    vapour said:
    ~80 for WOW


    while flying maybe


    drops to 30 - 40 fps in raid situations



    Tell me if this is not the right raid you are talking about:

  12. maxalge said:
    gm-madi said:
    i think i have the final decision, Ryzen 1600 idea is locked ( 6 cores will last at least for 4 years same as 4 cores lasted for 5 years from 2012) so i have to go for 1050ti for now which is enough for my needs so why spending more for something i would not use.
    emotionally i want the 1080 or 1060 at least like everyone but wisdom in reality is a good friend.


    how much is a 1600 vs a i5 8400 where you live?


    a 1600 is no more "future proof" than the 8350 was when it released


    we still dont have the 8th i5 yet in north Affrica continent, we got all ryzen + i7 8700k
    the reason i pick ryzen 1600 over the 1500x is the core count, 6/8 cores will last for the next 4-5 years.
  13. vapour said:
    maxalge said:
    vapour said:
    ~80 for WOW


    while flying maybe


    drops to 30 - 40 fps in raid situations



    Tell me if this is not the right raid you are talking about:






    is this your recording? the video didnt show config
  14. gm-madi said:


    is this your recording? the video didnt show config


    Not mine, setting will not be max, but we are discussing CPU bound, setting doesn't matter for CPU.
  15. i've seen a lot of records 1050ti is really good but ... some got 6 pin connector and some dont, i know its better to get 6pin 1050ti if willing to OC but my question is can both types hit the same OC evel 'safe'
  16. gm-madi said:
    i've seen a lot of records 1050ti is really good but ... some got 6 pin connector and some dont, i know its better to get 6pin 1050ti if willing to OC but my question is can both types hit the same OC evel 'safe'


    Additional 6 pin usually will allow the card to OC faster, can you list a few you are considering?
  17. MSI 1050ti gaming X ( this is the best in my mind but 10% expensive )
    MSI OCV1
    MSI 4G OC
    Asus expedition
    Asus strix 4G gaming ( not the 04G which is 6pin )
  18. 1050 ti OC can not bring up too many frames, I say go with MSI OCV1, MSI 4G OC or Asus Strix. Expedition is a no.
  19. I would say go for whatever is cheapest... The differences are mostly astethic with marginal performance and heat differences
  20. vapour said:
    maxalge said:
    vapour said:
    ~80 for WOW


    while flying maybe


    drops to 30 - 40 fps in raid situations



    Tell me if this is not the right raid you are talking about:






    you can clearly see what i said was true

    when stuff starts hitting the fan it drops to ~30 - ~40 fps


    with a i5 8400 you would never see below 60
  21. ryzenlover2017 said:
    I would say go for whatever is cheapest... The differences are mostly astethic with marginal performance and heat differences


    in 4k maybe you can hide the weakness of the cpu by sheer force of gpu bound scenario, this is far from the truth in cpu bound situations where the vast majority of online games squarely reside

    the i5 8400, i5 8600k, or i7 8700k are well worth waiting for/saving for if you want the setup to last 4 - 5 years of great performance
  22. to answer Maxalage and Ryzenlover

    Ryzen 1600 and i5 8400 are almost same performance ( i've been diging for 3 months, even before i5 is out )
    and 'almost' means the 8400 is slightly better 3-5% in 'some cases' and Ryzen vise versa, both are great but lets analyze a bit
    the 8400 is much better when it comes to low pixels like 720p ( who needs that anymore in gaming ) but for 1080p the intel doesnt really 'kick ass' in term of price.
    - the ryzen got double cores the i5 has. and again am4 will be supported untill 2020.
    and the final thoughts, media prooved that Intel payed big stores to not provide public with new AMD components, must be a reason for that and seems to me that AMD is giving great components with adequate price, which made me kinda hate intel, each generation need a new motherboard and socket.
  23. Best answer
    gm-madi said:

    the 8400 is much better when it comes to low pixels like 720p ( who needs that anymore in gaming ) .


    do you understand why cpu's are benchmarked at low resolutions?

    you cant hide behind gpu bound scenarios =)


    the i5 8400 is stronger than a 4ghz ryzen, out the gate

    you are NOT guaranteed 4ghz on ryzen


    all of the people that bought a cheap b350 mobo with crappy VRM are going to be shut out in the cold with ryzen 2


    am3/am3+ all over again


    its madness buying ryzen for gaming right now, barring you live in a place where the price difference is wacked out vs a i5 8400
  24. Ryzen really is a great architecture for gaming, and will dominate in other tasks that take use of more cores. Sure at 720p it might be a bottleneck... But if you're gaming at that resolution, then you probably don't need more then a 950. Comparing it to am3 is uncalled for considering at that point it was still running on pile-driver which I wholeheartedly agree wasn't great after a year or two.
  25. ryzenlover2017 said:
    Ryzen really is a great architecture for gaming, and will dominate in other tasks that take use of more cores. Sure at 720p it might be a bottleneck... But if you're gaming at that resolution, then you probably don't need more then a 950. Comparing it to am3 is uncalled for considering at that point it was still running on pile-driver which I wholeheartedly agree wasn't great after a year or two.



    not great no, adequate

    I am going to ask you again, do you understand why cpu's are benchmarked at low resolutions?
  26. I agree that Intel is often better value for gaming alone, but when you factor in that 95 percent of gamers are likely to occasionally do things other than gaming this begins to reverse. I understand that they do benchmarks at lower resolutions to mitigate GPU strain, but who cares if their CPU can run 118fps in 720p where Jimmys can only do 110 when they are going to game at higher resolution, where the gap of bridged... And the overall experience will be a better one for many.
  27. ryzenlover2017 said:
    I agree that Intel is often better value for gaming alone, but when you factor in that 95 percent of gamers are likely to occasionally do things other than gaming this begins to reverse. I understand that they do benchmarks at lower resolutions to mitigate GPU strain, but who cares if their CPU can run 118fps in 720p where Jimmys can only do 110 when they are going to game at higher resolution, where the gap of bridged... And the overall experience will be a better one for many.


    so you understand that when BENCHMARKING cpu's you need to remove any gpu bottleneck yes?

    OK

    Then, when judging what the best cpu is, you want to know what the fps limit it can reach actually is


    Game A

    i5 8400 can reach 200 fps in cpu benchmarks in Game A

    ryzen 1600 maxes out at 90 fps in cpu benchmarks in Game A


    which is the better cpu to pair with a 1080 ti, which is capable of easily reaching 200 fps in Game A?

    Which would be fine to pair with a gtx 1060 which is capable of 90 fps in Game A?


    would you slap in the 1600 with a 1080 ti in Game A?
  28. That it not even accurate... The 1600 it's only slightly slower in some games and that is so easily fixed by overclocking, and the 1600 will easily come in handy when games begin using more cores
  29. ryzenlover2017 said:
    That it not even accurate... The 1600 it's only slightly slower in some games and that is so easily fixed by overclocking, and the 1600 will easily come in handy when games begin using more cores


    Yes it is, there are many games where the ryzen taps out at the ~90 fps range

    overclocking it to 4ghz wont make it faster than an i5 8400

    By the time more cores become better, both of these processors will be obsolete. Just like the 8350.

    You buy the best performance you can right now, not with the nebulous promise of MAAAYBE a bit better performance down the road, that is madness
  30. All I'm saying is that... If you are not only gaming, and doing some sort of content creation you can benefit from ryzen.
  31. i finally got my build set up with:
    - msi gtx 1050ti gaming X overclocked to 2000Mhz with 53°c maximum
    - Ryzen 1600 @ 3.9Ghz 1.3250v with 72°c max
    - 1 x8gb ADATA 3000Mhz RAM overclocked manually to 3200 1.36v
    and of course the great MSI b350 Gaming Plus, i was worried about MoBo choice but seems its the best choice i made.

    everything works fine except i got a fake Wraith Spire ( very noisy with 7 blades while the original one is super quiet with 5 blades ).
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