I7 8700k build, need sugestion

Hi im building new pc, im going with
I7 8700k
Z370 (asus)
2x8gb cl16 3600MHz
Coolmaster maker 5t
Evga 700w g2
Silent wings 120mm x4
Odd Asus
Blue cable menagment
Blue Led stripes
M2 Samsung evo 250gb
Ssd HyperX savage 250gb
2x 2tb wd green
1x4tb wd blue
1x1tb wd black
Gtx 1070 g1 gaming Sli


I have problem with cpu cooler..
Dark Rock pro 3 or kraken x62?
Im going to OC cpu to 4.8-5.0 GHz
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  1. There isn't a lot of data on overclocking the 8th gen Core CPUs yet. Adding two more cores to the mix and the 14++nm fabrication process are two variables we haven't accounted for yet. We'll probably get all kinds of data in an hour or two when Tomshardware publishes their Coffee Lake review

    I don't know much about the coolers you're asking about. Sorry =(
    Reply to AgentLozen
  2. ^ Agreed. Wait for reviews on the 8700K before purchase. Why SLI on the GTX1070 rather than an single GTX1080?
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  3. 1) You need a pretty beefy cooler, though as said we have nothing official yet.

    So you should WAIT like the rest of us until we have results from different coolers. I doubt the Dark Rock Pro 3 will handle a 5GHz OC on the i7-8700K though.

    I'm curious to see how THIS air cooler does though (I do not like liquid coolers due to sometimes pump noise and failures.. they have a limited life of maybe five years too due to liquid permeation of the tubes):
    https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/CRYORIG/R1_Ultimate/

    2) SLI GTX1070?
    I do not recommend you do that. Many games don't even support SLI. Your money would be best spent on a single GTX1080Ti.

    https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/EVGA/GTX_1080_Ti_SC2/31.html

    The GTX1080Ti is about 60% faster than a single GTX1070 so in games that don't support SLI you are losing a lot of performance. In fact, the number of games that support 1.6x or better scaling AND run just as smooth as a single GPU are probably pretty rare.
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  4. I would go for the Kraken x62, but its mostly because its Liquid vs Air cooling. The x62 is certainly a very good cooling solution, better than the Dark Rock Pro 3, but the question is, is it worth the extra $$?
    If money isnt an object, you can even go higher than the x62....although I dont see why.

    Is there a specific reason why you're going with 4 HDD's (3 of which are different) and 2 different SSD's?
    What is the point of this?
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  5. More info on SLI:
    More specifically the issue is with AFR (Alternate Frame Rendering) which is starting to be dropped in more modern games. The reason is that game engines are starting to introduce features that only work with a single GPU setup.

    Some features are being added that look at several consecutive frames and scan for similarities. It's similar to VIDEO COMPRESSION where patterns are looked for in one frame after the other (like the same part of the sky being blue). I know that this is used for one of the new anti-aliasing methods but there are other techniques being added too.

    In the past NVidia or AMD would add support for AFR at the driver level so that GPU#1 would draw a frame, then GPU#2 would draw the next but again that's starting to be dropped.

    In the long run we will eventually get back to multi-GPU using something like SFR (Split Frame Rendering), however it appears that may be a few years away as it needs to be added into the game engine for the game developers to use and even then most games won't support it if the effort is more than minor.
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  6. morpheas768 said:

    I would go for the Kraken x62, but its mostly because its Liquid vs Air cooling. The x62 is certainly a very good cooling solution, better than the Dark Rock Pro 3, but the question is, is it worth the extra $$?
    If money isnt an object, you can even go higher than the x62....although I dont see why.

    Is there a specific reason why you're going with 4 HDD's (3 of which are different) and 2 different SSD's?
    What is the point of this?


    If I was building a high-end gaming rig I'd go with:

    1x250GB M.2 SSD, and
    1x500GB SATA SSD, and
    1x4TB HDD

    And if there was a need for RAID1 (for redundancy) I'd go with a 6TB WD MY CLOUD (with two drives, so 3TB usable in RAID1):
    https://www.amazon.com/Mirror-Personal-Network-Attached-Storage/dp/B014LE5D0M/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1507207028&sr=8-2&keywords=wd+cloud+6tb

    BTW, Amazon review scores are mostly wrong. They are based on SIMILAR items not the exact model.

    *You do NOT want a lot of hard drives in a computer because I guarantee they will spin up and spin down a lot. ANNOYING!

    So stick with one, large HDD for local backup, storage, games and use the WD MY CLOUD (as RAID1) if needed for redundancy. It's also handy for SHARING across the network (I use mine for my cough cough legal movie collection).

    It's probable that SOME of these hard drives are from the current computer but I'd still avoid having too many drives on a single PC if possible to avoid the annoying noise of startup/shutdown (and avoiding that by having them run all the time still makes a noisy PC).
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  7. photonboy said:

    If I was building a high-end gaming rig I'd go with:

    1x250GB M.2 SSD, and
    1x500GB SATA SSD, and
    1x4TB HDD

    And if there was a need for RAID1 (for redundancy) I'd go with a 6TB WD MY CLOUD (with two drives, so 3TB usable in RAID1):
    https://www.amazon.com/Mirror-Personal-Network-Attached-Storage/dp/B014LE5D0M/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1507207028&sr=8-2&keywords=wd+cloud+6tb

    BTW, Amazon review scores are mostly wrong. They are based on SIMILAR items not the exact model.

    *You do NOT want a lot of hard drives in a computer because I guarantee they will spin up and spin down a lot. ANNOYING!

    So stick with one, large HDD for local backup, storage, games and use the WD MY CLOUD (as RAID1) if needed for redundancy. It's also handy for SHARING across the network (I use mine for my cough cough legal movie collection).

    It's probable that SOME of these hard drives are from the current computer but I'd still avoid having too many drives on a single PC if possible to avoid the annoying noise of startup/shutdown (and avoiding that by having them run all the time still makes a noisy PC).


    I still dont know why you need an M2 and a SATA SSD. Isnt 1 of those 2 enough?

    I never mentioned Amazon reviews, you must be confusing me with someone else. The OP didnt either.

    I agree with having 1 HDD over several, it is the sensible choice.
    However, there's always the issue of losing data, and if this 1 drive fails, all your data may be gone. Good thing to suggest backing it up to a cloud.

    The spin up/down isnt an issue, as its only when powering on the PC.
    And yes more drives would equal more noise just from being powered on and spinning.

    However, it isnt always the case, not quite. I have 2 Toshiba 3TB drives, and when I bought and added the second one, I noticed little to no difference in noise from before.
    Maybe it is that they are identical drives and their noise sort of "matches" but addition of a second drive didnt result in an addition of that much noise.
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  8. @Jester Maroc

    SLI reason is that i have one gtx 1070 g1 gaming and i cant sell that GPU for money i invest when i buy it direct when 1070 released those GPUs, so im going to buy one more for 350€-400€ bcs i dont have a lot of money after building this beast haha..im playing on 4k even now i cant get 40-60fps with one gpu on the most of games,two gpu in sli is the sweet spot, btw 1080ti here in croatia good manufacture 1080ti is around 1200€ ....


    @morpheas768

    i have now in my build ssd savage 250gb 2x2tbwd green 1x1tbwd black and i plan to put that all in my new build bcs i have those hdds and ssd already and yes i plan to buy one more 4tb wd blue and m2 samsung evo 250gb ssd bcs m2 is the beast haha.. im using hdd-s for movies,tv shows,games,buisniss etc etc i have a lot stuff to storage..


    @photonboy

    OMG yes and yes its too annoying hear hdds when they spin but i need them :/ i wish i cant silent hdds somehow..but i must see how they gonna act on maker 5T case first..mybe maker 5T have better hdd cages with no vibrations LOL


    PUBLIC:
    back to coolers..i see some reviewers on YT but all those guys use h115i but i personally think that x62 is better idk...
    i think that DRP3 on air ist gonna be good for OC...money isn't problem for cooler.. but in maker 5T i can only put on top(i only wanna AIO on top) 240mm/280mm i cant put 300mm+ coolers unfortunately... i think i must go with some AIO for tame this beast
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  9. And i must say if i take AIO cooler i will change fans for silent wings maybe even i put 2 push and 2 pull silent wings 120mm if there a room for 4..
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  10. morpheas768 said:
    photonboy said:

    If I was building a high-end gaming rig I'd go with:

    1x250GB M.2 SSD, and
    1x500GB SATA SSD, and
    1x4TB HDD

    And if there was a need for RAID1 (for redundancy) I'd go with a 6TB WD MY CLOUD (with two drives, so 3TB usable in RAID1):
    https://www.amazon.com/Mirror-Personal-Network-Attached-Storage/dp/B014LE5D0M/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1507207028&sr=8-2&keywords=wd+cloud+6tb

    BTW, Amazon review scores are mostly wrong. They are based on SIMILAR items not the exact model.

    *You do NOT want a lot of hard drives in a computer because I guarantee they will spin up and spin down a lot. ANNOYING!

    So stick with one, large HDD for local backup, storage, games and use the WD MY CLOUD (as RAID1) if needed for redundancy. It's also handy for SHARING across the network (I use mine for my cough cough legal movie collection).

    It's probable that SOME of these hard drives are from the current computer but I'd still avoid having too many drives on a single PC if possible to avoid the annoying noise of startup/shutdown (and avoiding that by having them run all the time still makes a noisy PC).


    I still dont know why you need an M2 and a SATA SSD. Isnt 1 of those 2 enough?

    I never mentioned Amazon reviews, you must be confusing me with someone else. The OP didnt either.

    I agree with having 1 HDD over several, it is the sensible choice.
    However, there's always the issue of losing data, and if this 1 drive fails, all your data may be gone. Good thing to suggest backing it up to a cloud.

    The spin up/down isnt an issue, as its only when powering on the PC.
    And yes more drives would equal more noise just from being powered on and spinning.

    However, it isnt always the case, not quite. I have 2 Toshiba 3TB drives, and when I bought and added the second one, I noticed little to no difference in noise from before.
    Maybe it is that they are identical drives and their noise sort of "matches" but addition of a second drive didnt result in an addition of that much noise.


    1) M.2 SSD was for Windows + apps, and the SATA SSD was for games that most benefit from an SSD vs HDD (it's not just loading times, some such as the new PREY and Fallout 4 with HD texture pack will have severe STUTTERING due to texture loading).

    2) AMAZON - I never said anybody mentioned Amazon, but I mentioned the issue since I linked something from Amazon.

    3) Spin up/down is an issue if you want to have your HDD's shut off to save power and avoid wearing out the drives. I don't leave my HDD's spinning all the time.

    Obviously every HDD added results in more noise, but no it's not going to scale linearly as there are other noises in the system and as suggested the RESONANCE of the case makes a big difference.

    *I was just suggesting an IDEAL setup based on my years of experience. Minimal noise, redundancy, optimal speed where needed (M.2 + SATA SSD's) etc.
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  11. photonboy said:
    morpheas768 said:
    photonboy said:

    If I was building a high-end gaming rig I'd go with:

    1x250GB M.2 SSD, and
    1x500GB SATA SSD, and
    1x4TB HDD

    And if there was a need for RAID1 (for redundancy) I'd go with a 6TB WD MY CLOUD (with two drives, so 3TB usable in RAID1):
    https://www.amazon.com/Mirror-Personal-Network-Attached-Storage/dp/B014LE5D0M/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1507207028&sr=8-2&keywords=wd+cloud+6tb

    BTW, Amazon review scores are mostly wrong. They are based on SIMILAR items not the exact model.

    *You do NOT want a lot of hard drives in a computer because I guarantee they will spin up and spin down a lot. ANNOYING!

    So stick with one, large HDD for local backup, storage, games and use the WD MY CLOUD (as RAID1) if needed for redundancy. It's also handy for SHARING across the network (I use mine for my cough cough legal movie collection).

    It's probable that SOME of these hard drives are from the current computer but I'd still avoid having too many drives on a single PC if possible to avoid the annoying noise of startup/shutdown (and avoiding that by having them run all the time still makes a noisy PC).


    I still dont know why you need an M2 and a SATA SSD. Isnt 1 of those 2 enough?

    I never mentioned Amazon reviews, you must be confusing me with someone else. The OP didnt either.

    I agree with having 1 HDD over several, it is the sensible choice.
    However, there's always the issue of losing data, and if this 1 drive fails, all your data may be gone. Good thing to suggest backing it up to a cloud.

    The spin up/down isnt an issue, as its only when powering on the PC.
    And yes more drives would equal more noise just from being powered on and spinning.

    However, it isnt always the case, not quite. I have 2 Toshiba 3TB drives, and when I bought and added the second one, I noticed little to no difference in noise from before.
    Maybe it is that they are identical drives and their noise sort of "matches" but addition of a second drive didnt result in an addition of that much noise.


    1) M.2 SSD was for Windows + apps, and the SATA SSD was for games that most benefit from an SSD vs HDD (it's not just loading times, some such as the new PREY and Fallout 4 with HD texture pack will have severe STUTTERING due to texture loading).

    2) AMAZON - I never said anybody mentioned Amazon, but I mentioned the issue since I linked something from Amazon.

    3) Spin up/down is an issue if you want to have your HDD's shut off to save power and avoid wearing out the drives. I don't leave my HDD's spinning all the time.

    Obviously every HDD added results in more noise, but no it's not going to scale linearly as there are other noises in the system and as suggested the RESONANCE of the case makes a big difference.

    *I was just suggesting an IDEAL setup based on my years of experience. Minimal noise, redundancy, optimal speed where needed (M.2 + SATA SSD's) etc.


    if i have that much of money i buy terabytes and terabytes of ssd disks instead of HDDs xD
    like i say i need all that HDDs.. do you have any suggestions about AIO vs AIR coolers? best one to tamed the beast? whit what coolers do you have experience?
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  12. CPU COOLER:
    You should look at i7-8700K overclocking articles/reviews and see what coolers they've used, but if you want a half decent overclock a 240mm/280mm or even 360mm AIO is the way to go.

    I don't think there are many air coolers that can handle a 5GHz i7-8700K overclock. Are there any? (and it also depends on how HOT your room temperature is as well.)

    Something like the KRANEN X62
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  13. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/intel-coffee-lake-i7-8700k-cpu,5252-12.html

    The AIO they used (which I've not heard of, but it's listed on Page 3) here was insufficient for just gaming as it was pushing up to roughly 90degC, and well threaded applications were over (for a 4.9GHz overclock).

    Ideally you want 75degC for sustained usage (max) though that's ideal and you can go higher. I wouldn't go above 85degC on a regular basis though as it's hard to say how that will wear on the CPU.
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