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How much can I overclock the r5 1600(not the x) with the stock cooler
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  1. I wouldn't push it past 3.7 GHz or 3.8 GHz with air.
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  2. Should I buy a 1500x or a 1600, should I buy an msi b350 gaming pro or a msi b350 mortar arctic??
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  3. Laxmi Narayan Somayaji said:
    Should I buy a 1500x or a 1600, should I buy an msi b350 gaming pro or a msi b350 mortar arctic??


    If you plan to do any gaming, get the 1600.

    Good air cooler: Thermalright True Spirit 140 Direct. Great performance for a midrange price. Keeps my 1700 @ 3.9GHz on 1.375v below 80c under stress testing loads. @ 3.85GHz on 1.35v it stays below 70c.

    How much OC?: There is no way to tell. Each chip is unique. But the new ASUS x370 boards will auto-tune the CPU pretty well without going nuts on voltage or heat.
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  4. Also depends on your case airflow and fans. My guess is that you can get easily to 3.8 overclock on stock cooler when you have great airflow and 4-5 good fans but i did not even buy ryzen yet. Some people report overclocks to 3.7 Ghz on stock voltage without temp increasing so the 3.8 or even 3.9 should be possible with a good setup if you want to spent about 60-80 bucks on another aircooler for 100-200 Mhz is up to you but i dont think its worth it might aswell get the 1700 then.
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  5. I am going to use this case http://www.coolermaster.com/case/mini-tower/masterbox-lite-3/ and hardware unboxed got about 4ghz (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4_4Tpa_cIQ) with the stock cooler and I expect to get about 3.8 to 3.9ghz. Is this a good motherboard for overclocking (https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/B350M-MORTAR-ARCTIC.html#productFeature-section).
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  6. My 1600 is running at 3.8ghz on the stock cooler. No issues.
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  7. Denver_1 said:
    My 1600 is running at 3.8ghz on the stock cooler. No issues.


    What about temps?
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  8. Kernell32 said:
    Denver_1 said:
    My 1600 is running at 3.8ghz on the stock cooler. No issues.


    What about temps?


    I did a CPU-z stress test for about 12 minutes and it got to 67C. I haven't noticed any temp problems in games.
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  9. Ppl have gotten 4.1GHz on the stock Wraith cooler, it highly depends on your ambient temps, airflow and the silicon lottery exactly how far it can be pushed.
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  10. Karadjgne said:
    Ppl have gotten 4.1GHz on the stock Wraith cooler, it highly depends on your ambient temps, airflow and the silicon lottery exactly how far it can be pushed.


    I guess I´ll just have to try. I got mine to 3.6Ghz on auto voltage (with gigabyte F6 bios) with the wraith spire and it handled an hour of prime 95 at 74.5°C tops (HWMonitor and Ryzen master)
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  11. You'll probably find that auto-voltage is considerably more than what's actually needed for stability, although that's dependent on the actual cpu itself. Some take more than others, some less.
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  12. With the stock cooler, my Ryzen 1600 sits comfortably while gaming at 3.75ghz. I won't push higher until I get a new Cryorig H7. (I had one on my old fx 8320 that got me up past 4.5ghz easily, but sold it still attached to that cpu to my girl's brother) If you plan to do any serious OCing with just air cooling, the H7 (with an added fan) and tons of case fans is the way to go. Otherwise, get an AIO.
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  13. I got mine 1600 to 3692MHz on stock voltage 1.237 V, idle temp 28 C and load AIDA64 for 30 min 63-64 C.MOBO Asrock ab350 gaming k4.
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  14. Highly depends on the mobo itself, exactly how much and if any heatsinking is used on the VRM's and other voltage regulatory circuitry surrounding the socket. For this reason alone, the x370 boards are better equipped for higher OC stability, as are the better B350 boards.

    When you OC, you raise the power (watts) needed by the cpu. Even if you lower vcore, current (amps) raises to maintain that wattage use. It's the flow of current that raises temps in the components. With the increased heat comes resistance. This raises current flow to overcome the resistance, which raises heat, and on and on. End result is instability. This is why ppl run aida64 or occt or Prime95 for an hour or so, to get past all that vicious circle to find if they have enough cooling to compensate the heat raised, which levels off the current demand. Without sufficient heatsinks to dissipate the heat, there's no real way to stop that cycle, so the Ryzen cpus on a budget B350 mobo will get lower OC results, the heatsinking on the better boards allowing for better heat management, so higher OC. The Wraith coolers are a downdraft style, so take full advantage of being able to blow air across the voltage regulatory circuitry, which only helps further.

    If you bought a cheaper B350 board thinking it's like any other B350, for the most part, you'd be right. It's only under extreme duress like high OC that differences are noticed. Some ppl will get 3.6,some 3.8, some 4.1. That's not including other factors like silicon lottery, case airflow, ambient temps etc, just in general.
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  15. Karadjgne said:
    Highly depends on the mobo itself, exactly how much and if any heatsinking is used on the VRM's and other voltage regulatory circuitry surrounding the socket. For this reason alone, the x370 boards are better equipped for higher OC stability, as are the better B350 boards.

    When you OC, you raise the power (watts) needed by the cpu. Even if you lower vcore, current (amps) raises to maintain that wattage use. It's the flow of current that raises temps in the components. With the increased heat comes resistance. This raises current flow to overcome the resistance, which raises heat, and on and on. End result is instability. This is why ppl run aida64 or occt or Prime95 for an hour or so, to get past all that vicious circle to find if they have enough cooling to compensate the heat raised, which levels off the current demand. Without sufficient heatsinks to dissipate the heat, there's no real way to stop that cycle, so the Ryzen cpus on a budget B350 mobo will get lower OC results, the heatsinking on the better boards allowing for better heat management, so higher OC. The Wraith coolers are a downdraft style, so take full advantage of being able to blow air across the voltage regulatory circuitry, which only helps further.

    If you bought a cheaper B350 board thinking it's like any other B350, for the most part, you'd be right. It's only under extreme duress like high OC that differences are noticed. Some ppl will get 3.6,some 3.8, some 4.1. That's not including other factors like silicon lottery, case airflow, ambient temps etc, just in general.


    I saw some tests on this on youtube and there was no difference between a middle class x370 board and b350 board in OC but this can vary of course, even in those categorys there is different qualitiy to each mobo.
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  16. True. Different brands put different emphasis on different models for different reasons. I own an Asus z77 board that's so bare minimum it's almost sad, but cost more than a higher grade asrock, which actually has heatsinks on the VRM's. As with most things, even cpu coolers or psus, it's not so much the probability of performance, but the possibility. Generally, you can expect to be able to push the limits farther on an x370 vrs a B350. But under those limits, a board is just a board.
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  17. Laxmi Narayan Somayaji said:
    Should I buy a 1500x or a 1600, should I buy an msi b350 gaming pro or a msi b350 mortar arctic??


    I've got 1600 on b350m mortar arctic and it sits well on 3.8GHz with 1.3V (haven't tried lower voltage yet), however it crashed at 3.85Ghz with 1.35V after 10min in AIDA64. I would't like to keep it over 1.35V for 24/7 so I decided to reduce clocks to 3.8GHz and I am trying to lower voltage as much as I can. I am using Corsair H60 120mm watercooler (not because stock cooler is bad, I just had that one before and it looks great and keeps CPU below 62 Celsius degrees doesn't matter how long it stays under 100% load with AIDA64)
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    And there's 10 or so other settings in the bios which can emphasize voltage usage or even change things slightly, maybe enough that you'd easily get 3.9GHz on the 1.3v you have now. OC is more than just buss and vcore and it'll take plenty of trial and error. It's also possible you hit a 'dead spot' which many cpus can get, it's simply where the voltage, current, clocks are at that one particular spot that makes stability impossible, could be you bump to 3.87 and be perfectly stable at 1.32v. Won't know until you try. It's only after trying everything and getting nowhere that you've really reached the silicon lottery limits.
    I've got a i5-3570k that's sits sweet all day at 4.3GHz and 1.114v. It won't go passed that even after much experiments and 1.48v. At 1.8 PLL, it needs 1.216v, dropped it to 1.7v PLL and vcore went down to 1.114. That alone dropped temps 7-10°C
    So your limits are only set by how much you try to get past them, upto the real limit of the cpu.
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  19. I've got 1600 on b350m bazooka and it's stable at 4.4GHz with 1.36V and can handle AIDA64 stress test overnight with out crashing, temperatures don't go past 60°C under load with stock cooler and a modified CPU fan curve.
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  20. That's impressive for a stock cooler, even the Wraith.
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  21. GoofyGo0ber said:
    I've got 1600 on b350m bazooka and it's stable at 4.4GHz with 1.36V and can handle AIDA64 stress test overnight with out crashing, temperatures don't go past 60°C under load with stock cooler and a modified CPU fan curve.


    Mind posting some screenshots of that processor running 4.4? Maybe Firestrike Physics, Cinebench, and Realbench scores?

    I've had several Ryzen CPUs now, and belong to a forum group that is ALL Ryzen owners, and haven't seen anyone get past 4.25.....if you really got your CPU to 4.4, you've got the one and only Ryzen CPU that I've seen or heard of that'd go past 4.2 without pushing voltage past 1.5v. Please.....the screenshots.

    ...and yes....definitely calling bull. /wink
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  22. I got mine to 3.7GHz at stock voltage on a Cooler Master 212x.
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  23. Ryzen 5 - 1600, Asrock x370 gaming k4,TridentZ3200, 24/7 oc= 3.7GHz at stock voltage on a Cooler Master 212 LED(30/65degrees)..
    .and 2966Mhz 14-14-14-30-56 at stock voltage. i pref low ram timing over faster cpu..
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  24. Vellinious said:
    GoofyGo0ber said:
    I've got 1600 on b350m bazooka and it's stable at 4.4GHz with 1.36V and can handle AIDA64 stress test overnight with out crashing, temperatures don't go past 60°C under load with stock cooler and a modified CPU fan curve.


    Mind posting some screenshots of that processor running 4.4? Maybe Firestrike Physics, Cinebench, and Realbench scores?

    I've had several Ryzen CPUs now, and belong to a forum group that is ALL Ryzen owners, and haven't seen anyone get past 4.25.....if you really got your CPU to 4.4, you've got the one and only Ryzen CPU that I've seen or heard of that'd go past 4.2 without pushing voltage past 1.5v. Please.....the screenshots.

    ...and yes....definitely calling bull. /wink


    I got 4.4 GHz on my R5 1600 w/ a Cryorig H7 and 1.375V on the CPU (Mobo: B350 tomahawk)
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  25. frupprr said:
    Vellinious said:
    GoofyGo0ber said:
    I've got 1600 on b350m bazooka and it's stable at 4.4GHz with 1.36V and can handle AIDA64 stress test overnight with out crashing, temperatures don't go past 60°C under load with stock cooler and a modified CPU fan curve.


    Mind posting some screenshots of that processor running 4.4? Maybe Firestrike Physics, Cinebench, and Realbench scores?

    I've had several Ryzen CPUs now, and belong to a forum group that is ALL Ryzen owners, and haven't seen anyone get past 4.25.....if you really got your CPU to 4.4, you've got the one and only Ryzen CPU that I've seen or heard of that'd go past 4.2 without pushing voltage past 1.5v. Please.....the screenshots.

    ...and yes....definitely calling bull. /wink


    I got 4.4 GHz on my R5 1600 w/ a Cryorig H7 and 1.375V on the CPU (Mobo: B350 tomahawk)


    Let's see some screenshots. CPUz would work.
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  26. frupprr:"I got 4.4 GHz on my R5 1600 w/ a Cryorig H7 and 1.375V on the CPU"...... at what Ram Hz ??ram volt?? and your ram timings??.
    ..screenshot plz
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  27. jonnilaumann said:
    frupprr:"I got 4.4 GHz on my R5 1600 w/ a Cryorig H7 and 1.375V on the CPU"...... at what Ram Hz ??ram volt?? and your ram timings??.
    ..screenshot plz


    Doesn't matter. 4.4 is nigh impossible on Ryzen. The only time you hear about anyone even getting above 4.25, is because they were running ln2.
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  28. right now i cant even get near 4Ghz at 1.375V on my x370 gaming rig - cas18/1866hz....hmm ..need to rise RAM voltage / SOC voltage to get there i think? ........... my 24/7 Oc is 3.7Ghz 1.23125V(under stock, hehe) - cas14-28-56/2933hz..i did 14-13-13-13-28-52 but was lower in score than 14-14-14-30-56???.. i testet 3.8Ghz on stock V and Stock cooler is fine(2hours prime95, etc=78degrees)...on 212 hyper turbo max was 65 "on silent mode=max rpm set to 900"
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  29. jonnilaumann said:
    right now i cant even get near 4Ghz at 1.375V on my x370 gaming rig - cas18/1866hz....hmm ..need to rise RAM voltage / SOC voltage to get there i think? ........... my 24/7 Oc is 3.7Ghz 1.23125V(under stock, hehe) - cas14-28-56/2933hz..i did 14-13-13-13-28-52 but was lower in score than 14-14-14-30-56???.. i testet 3.8Ghz on stock V and Stock cooler is fine(2hours prime95, etc=78degrees)...on 212 hyper turbo max was 65 "on silent mode=max rpm set to 900"


    Moving SOC voltage up will help with higher memory clocks, but you should be able to run 2933 without raising it too much. Shouldn't run over 1.1v SOC voltage anyway. Memory voltage is ok to run 1.4v for a daily, with decent air flow. I wouldn't run higher than that for a daily without very good cooling.

    Ryzen CPUs generally have a pretty weak IMC, so the higher the memory clock, the more voltage the core will take to run stable.
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  30. 3.85Ghz 1.35V 2933hz cas14 is fine...but i cant get to 4Ghz, not even at 1.375V-Ram1866hz cas18 stock V.. any sugestions?
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  31. jonnilaumann said:
    3.85Ghz 1.35V 2933hz cas14 is fine...but i cant get to 4Ghz, not even at 1.375V-Ram1866hz cas18 stock V.. any sugestions?


    Some people are needing 1.4v and higher to get to 4.0. Some can't reach it at all.

    Will it boot to 4.0 @ 1.375v? Have you tried 1.4?
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  32. just tried 4ghz@ 1.4V, 18-18-18-50-60-1866hz(tridentZ3200D16)...no boot..hmmm..next step is up ramV and soc V????????.. or even lover ramT?...maybe disable xmp???......Vellinious...another Q...why is 14-13-13-13-28-52, slower(CineB15) than 14-14-14-14-30-56, is it the way CB are testing or will lower ram timings be faster in daily use(gaming/editing)?????cooling is no problem..212 hyper turbo, so maybe 1.41V??
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  33. jonnilaumann said:
    just tried 4ghz@ 1.4V, 18-18-18-50-60-1866hz(tridentZ3200D16)...no boot..hmmm..next step is up ramV and soc V????????.. or even lover ramT?...maybe disable xmp???......Vellinious...another Q...why is 14-13-13-13-28-52, slower(CineB15) than 14-14-14-14-30-56, is it the way CB are testing or will lower ram timings be faster in daily use(gaming/editing)?????cooling is no problem..212 hyper turbo, so maybe 1.41V??


    My next step would be to run the memory at stock, no overclock at all, and see if 4ghz is possible. Then bump memory up one step at a time, testing each step up for stability. Then, raise your memory clocks to where you WANT it to run, and overclock the CPU as much as possible with those memory clocks. Compare performance between those two settings, and see which one is better. I'm quite sure you'll find the higher core clock / lower memory clock to be better, but......eh, i'd test it anyway, for the purpose of being thorough.

    I wouldn't go any higher than 1.4v for a daily, no matter what kind of cooling. 1.4 could end up being a little bit high for an air cooler. Worth a shot, though.
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  34. Ram timings and speeds go hand in hand. There's a place where everything just 'fits' perfectly and that's what you want. Doesn't matter at all if it's 14-13-13-28-52 or 14-14-14-30-56. At that speed, it's physically impossible to an exponential degree for you to see any difference between those timings. You are talking about a process taking 14/3200th of a second. If the slightly more relaxed timings seem faster, it's only because the ram feels more in-sync with the memory controller and things line up better. So it runs smoother, with no hiccups.

    As far as games go on a Ryzen, with the infinity fabric amd has concocted as their version of hyperthreading, faster ram has much more benefit over traditional hyperthreading. It's possible with the stronger cpus to see a 20% performance difference between 2133 and 3200, and with a game bouncing around 60fps, adding 20%ish increased fps can mean minimums are closer to 60, with averages of 72 instead. Will the game run better? Not really for most, as they are gpu dependent, but in any cpu intensive game increased IPC is always a benefit. And 20% is a sizable chunk of performance gain.

    The exact numbers are of little consequence, what's important is how everything relates to the overall level of increase. Someone at 3.75GHz will have better performance at 3200 than someone at 3.8GHz pushing 2666. So find the best balance of what works and remember that profile. Tinker with specifics if you want to but you'd be better off with a solid 15% increase on a stable pc than trying to squeak out 18% and ending up with 12% because the pc is imbalanced.
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  35. "My next step would be to run the memory at stock"........My tridentZ memory stock is 1.35V 3200D-16-18-18-18-46-60

    " no overclock at all, and see if 4ghz is possible." .....not even ram at 1866 cas 18(the lowest i can choose on Asrock x370 gaming k4), will not boot at 4Ghz.. more ram/soc volt or lower ramTimijngs??

    "Then bump memory up one step at a time, testing each step up for stability".......the Volt?

    ..my only gold is to reach 4ghz for fun, its not a 24/7 oc..witch now is 3.7Ghz 1.23125V-2933cas14(mobo max is 2933-CineB=1251)

    ....disable XMP?
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  36. Karadjgne said:
    Ram timings and speeds go hand in hand. There's a place where everything just 'fits' perfectly and that's what you want. Doesn't matter at all if it's 14-13-13-28-52 or 14-14-14-30-56. At that speed, it's physically impossible to an exponential degree for you to see any difference between those timings. You are talking about a process taking 14/3200th of a second. If the slightly more relaxed timings seem faster, it's only because the ram feels more in-sync with the memory controller and things line up better. So it runs smoother, with no hiccups.

    As far as games go on a Ryzen, with the infinity fabric amd has concocted as their version of hyperthreading, faster ram has much more benefit over traditional hyperthreading. It's possible with the stronger cpus to see a 20% performance difference between 2133 and 3200, and with a game bouncing around 60fps, adding 20%ish increased fps can mean minimums are closer to 60, with averages of 72 instead. Will the game run better? Not really for most, as they are gpu dependent, but in any cpu intensive game increased IPC is always a benefit. And 20% is a sizable chunk of performance gain.

    The exact numbers are of little consequence, what's important is how everything relates to the overall level of increase. Someone at 3.75GHz will have better performance at 3200 than someone at 3.8GHz pushing 2666. So find the best balance of what works and remember that profile. Tinker with specifics if you want to but you'd be better off with a solid 15% increase on a stable pc than trying to squeak out 18% and ending up with 12% because the pc is imbalanced.


    Damm a good answer...thanks, i get it...found a sweet spot, 14-14-14-28-56..all devided by 14 seems to be the best...the 4Ghz is just for fun... my 24/7 oc will be 3.7 ghz, at the lowest Volt i find.. now 1.23125V on CPU
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  37. jonnilaumann said:
    "My next step would be to run the memory at stock"........My tridentZ memory stock is 1.35V 3200D-16-18-18-18-46-60

    " no overclock at all, and see if 4ghz is possible." .....not even ram at 1866 cas 18(the lowest i can choose on Asrock x370 gaming k4), will not boot at 4Ghz.. more ram/soc volt or lower ramTimijngs??

    "Then bump memory up one step at a time, testing each step up for stability".......the Volt?

    ..my only gold is to reach 4ghz for fun, its not a 24/7 oc..witch now is 3.7Ghz 1.23125V-2933cas14(mobo max is 2933-CineB=1251)

    ....disable XMP?


    3200mhz is overclocked. They're rated to run there. Stock is without the DOCP / XMP setting....with the weak IPC, it puts more stress on the CPU which causes the need for more voltage to keep the core stable. So, find your "happy place" with your core clocks first, then bump up memory little by little, maybe up to 2866, and run some test scenarios to see what your performance is like. Then, try your memory at 3200 and the core at 3.7, and see which gives you the better performance for the tasks you're doing. You might find the lower clock on the core and higher memory to be beneficial for what you're doing....or vice versa.

    For what I use mine for, 4.0 ghz on the CPU and memory at 2933 gives me the best performance for what I'm doing.
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  38. Kernell32 said:
    Karadjgne said:
    Ppl have gotten 4.1GHz on the stock Wraith cooler, it highly depends on your ambient temps, airflow and the silicon lottery exactly how far it can be pushed.


    I guess I´ll just have to try. I got mine to 3.6Ghz on auto voltage (with gigabyte F6 bios) with the wraith spire and it handled an hour of prime 95 at 74.5°C tops (HWMonitor and Ryzen master)


    With hardware monitor could you show me the current draw that you get , It seems like im getting unusually high draw at 130amps and 3.675 ghz
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  39. Denver_1 said:
    My 1600 is running at 3.8ghz on the stock cooler. No issues.


    what voltage?
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