Bewildered by issues with New Build *Help Needed*

First of all i'll explain the backstory behind this issue i'm having as i can't pin it on one specific component. (The build was breadboarded before everything was placed in the case Also worked flawlessly inside the case also)

Here are my Specs of my build (Also a picture)

CPU - i7-5960x (Was Overclocked at the time when i was running the system)
Mobo - ASUS Rampage V Extreme (EK-FB ASUS R5E Monoblock - Nickel CSQ)
GPUS - EVGA TITAN X x2 (SLI) (EK Waterblocks)
RAM - Corsair Dominator Platinum 16GB (2800MHZ) DDR4
PSU - EVGA 1200W P2 (Platinum rated)
SSD - Samsung 850 EVO 1TB (OS) & Samsung 840 EVO 1TB (Games)
Case - Corsair Graphite Series™ 760T Arctic White Full-Tower Windowed Case
Sound Card - Creative Sound Blaster X-FI Extreme Audio


http://imgur.com/FxaQ58K

http://imgur.com/vm4lRYn

I recently built a new build (My first ever) it was a hard tubing build which took me a decent amount of time to do, The build was all together in the case and working perfectly.. I had left the build on for 36 hours (With restarts etc) as i had been testing out games etc and was in the process of helping my friend to recover data from his Seagate Central networking hard drive which had died (After learning the basics of Linux i managed to recover all the data from it and during this time when i was asleep as i had left the system on to recover the data as it takes like an eternity on R-Linux)
My normal OS is Windows 8.1 Pro 64 Bit btw (USB stick was used as a Bootable Linux OS (Ubuntu).

Now as i woke up i realized that the Computer had shut off.. so i did the normal thing and tried to power it up using the Power button on the front of the case.. No dice, Turned it on and off again at the PSU as the Mobo was lighting up at the time (The PSU would make out like it was trying to start up and make a really feint noise as if it was doing something), Retry.. same thing. (Panic sets in) Now i'll go through the order of what i did before i got to the stage that i'm currently at that i can't see myself going forward from..

I removed the sound card as it was in the way of the CMOS battery.. Reset the CMOS by pulling it out, left it out for 15 minutes, placed in again still nothing when i tried again. Unplugged everything from the back of the Computer bar from the PSU cable, Plugged the PSU straight into a wall socket so that the extension wasn't the cause, Pulled all the Ram out, Retried without, Nothing.. Put one slot in nothing.. tried two as its dual channel (I Believe)... Nothing.

Now i will say i did have the build up and running eventually.. but from what you can guess i've rebuilt it so far and got stuck..

Thankfully i had a separate build which i bought from PCSpecialist, Removed the PSU from it, its not fully modular like my EVGA one, Its a Corsair HX850, Disconnected all the PSU cables bar from the Mobo ones and a Peripheral cable which is connected to some fans and the EK Pump that I'm using (Jumped the PSU using EVGAs handy little detection tool, acts like a paperclip btw)
Nothing.. Just a feint noise like its trying something.. Disconnected all the cables and left it unplugged in the case as i can't remove it without draining the Cooling and removing some tubing.

Now the Corsair HX850, Plugged it into the Pump using a molex connection and used the mobo side with the detection tool, Pump starts.. left it running and watched it for a little bit and seemed like it was working fine, Plugged up some fans to the PSU, Fans worked, Switched off, Connected the Mobo cable to the 24 Pin ATX connection on the Mobo, as well as the 8 pin connection on the top left of the Mobo and the 4 Pin which is also at the Top (Supposedly you can plug up all three and be fine) it's meant to be used for serious Overclocking but really i saw no harm in having it plugged in just incase. Won't boot just makes a feint noise like it wants to start and then nada.

I thought it was maybe some sort of short circuit for a little while and i kinda still do.. I removed the Fan at the back of the computer, tried again to boot up, Nothing, Removed the fan at the bottom of the Computer, Somehow decided to remove the 4 Pin connection at the top of the Mobo.. Boom the mobo starts up... Get a Q-Code 99 on the board (Still not sure what it meant) (This was with all four Sticks of RAM in the system btw.

Began by using the fans i removed outside of the case, Worked fine, Now im thinking its beginning to work it was just a short circuit somehow.. Hooked up the 4 Pin ATX Connection again.. Doesn't turn on.. Mobo lights up but when i press start the 4 Pin cable moves like its taking a jolt then nothing happens as the PSU makes a click noise, Which i assume is it protecting components as it's shorting out? Removed the 4 Pin cable tried again, Starts up.. Shut Down, Plugged in an SSD with a sata cable to the Mobo and a Sata Power cable to the PSU, Starts up for about half a second and then stops and everything shuts off.

This is the stage i'm at currently as i've no idea how to go forward without draining the Cooling loop and dismantling everything outside of the case and breadboarding the CPU and Mobo with some RAM outside of the case (I believe the GPUs are fine).

This is a massive read... so thank you so much to anyone who has taken the time to read this, Any ideas on what i can do next or things i should try again are much appreciated.

Any questions just ask!

Kind regards, Greig.
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  1. Honestly it sounds like theres a case standoff under the motherbd that should have been removed.
  2. Before you started using your system, did you run just the water cooling loop for 24-48 hours with paper towels underneath the fittings to do a leak test? If you didn't, I would do that now, and see if it might have leaked onto one of your parts.
  3. popatim said:
    Honestly it sounds like theres a case standoff under the motherbd that should have been removed.


    Thanks for the prompt reply, The build was working for atleast 36 hours + before this happened, what do you mean by removed? I thought the mobo was meant to be mounted onto the case using standoffs?
  4. zjuventus14 said:
    Before you started using your system, did you run just the water cooling loop for 24-48 hours with paper towels underneath the fittings to do a leak test? If you didn't, I would do that now, and see if it might have leaked onto one of your parts.


    Thanks for the reply.

    The loop was leak tested for 24 hours and no leaks were found at all during that time, I'm using compression fittings also instead of the normal Hard tubing fittings if that helps. to answer your question i found zero leaks or weeping whatsoever during the test and even after then the build was still running for 36 hours without any major issues.
  5. I agree with popatim, it could be a motherboard standoff underneath your motherboard that is shorting it out. What he means is that depending on the case, standoffs may have been preinstalled for a different sized motherboard than yours, and if so, the metal could be touching the PCB shorting out your pc. But since your PC worked fine in the case for a while, that might not be it. Have you tried using the hard drive from the other build that you took the PSU from? If it does not even start, that probably is not it, but since you say the problem started after the data recovery from another hard drive, I think it is worth a shot. So try unplugging the hard drive and booting either with no hard drive or SATA cables connected, see what happens. I say this because although that most likely isn't the problem, it shouldn't be too difficult to do.
  6. zjuventus14 said:
    I agree with popatim, it could be a motherboard standoff underneath your motherboard that is shorting it out. What he means is that depending on the case, standoffs may have been preinstalled for a different sized motherboard than yours, and if so, the metal could be touching the PCB shorting out your pc. But since your PC worked fine in the case for a while, that might not be it. Have you tried using the hard drive from the other build that you took the PSU from? If it does not even start, that probably is not it, but since you say the problem started after the data recovery from another hard drive, I think it is worth a shot. So try unplugging the hard drive and booting either with no hard drive or SATA cables connected, see what happens. I say this because although that most likely isn't the problem, it shouldn't be too difficult to do.


    I tried booting with my SSD which contains the OS using the old PSU this was after i got it working with just the 8 Pin ATX and not the 4 Pin which i still don't understand but anyway.. Everytime i try to boot up with an SSD connected to the PSU using a Sata Power connection the Motherboard will fire up for about half a second then stop and do nothing. Not sure if this is an issue with the old PSU or if maybe the SSDs/ Hard drives were fried somehow? I tried all of them, Two Hard drives that i had connected to the Computer and two SSDs. No joy.. This is pretty much the stage im at i can get it to boot but can't get it to start up with a SSD/HDD without it force shutting down.
  7. So you can get to BIOS if you do not have any SSD or Hard Drives Plugged in?
  8. zjuventus14 said:
    So you can get to BIOS if you do not have any SSD or Hard Drives Plugged in?


    I actually haven't tried to hook up a monitor to the Computer since it crashed but i will try that tomorrow first thing. If i can get into the BIOS what does that mean for my SSDs etc?

    Any other ideas are much appreciated so i can try as much as i can in the morning.

    Thanks a lot i've been raking my brain all day to find a solution.
  9. If you can boot into BIOS or to the "AMERICAN MEGATRENDS" screen that will appear if it finds nothing to boot to, when you do not have anything plugged into the SATA ports, I suggest trying to boot from a USB or CD with an install disk or something else on it(GOOGLE how to make a bootable USB or CD). If that works, then try booting from a hard drive or SSD from a different SATA port on your motherboard. If one that works, you most likely have a fried SATA port or a pin is bent on that port. If that is the case, just continues on without using the broken port. If it does not work, tell me what happened.
  10. zjuventus14 said:
    If you can boot into BIOS or to the "AMERICAN MEGATRENDS" screen that will appear if it finds nothing to boot to, when you do not have anything plugged into the SATA ports, I suggest trying to boot from a USB or CD with an install disk or something else on it(GOOGLE how to make a bootable USB or CD). If that works, then try booting from a hard drive or SSD from a different SATA port on your motherboard. If one that works, you most likely have a fried SATA port or a pin is bent on that port. If that is the case, just continues on without using the broken port. If it does not work, tell me what happened.


    Okay so i hooked up a monitor to the computer and got into the BIOS with a USB Keyboard connected to the back USB connections, Still having the same issue that when i try to run an SSD even just off the PSU without it being hooked up to any Sata ports the Computer will briefly start up for about half a second then shut down. I nearly managed to boot into Ubuntu using the USB stick i had used previously but then i got a USB Hub error.

    So i'd say possibly the Mobo is working. The CPU, Ram and GPU all seem to work fine atm in BIOS.. but that doesn't really mean much does it?

    Link to Image of BIOS http://imgur.com/VBa04og

    I can make a bootable USB but i still have nothing to install it onto in that case.
  11. Well, it seems like all outgoing ports have some sort of issue, unless did the keyboard itself work when you had nothing plugged in to SATA ports?
  12. greigmenzies said:
    popatim said:
    Honestly it sounds like theres a case standoff under the motherbd that should have been removed.


    Thanks for the prompt reply, The build was working for atleast 36 hours + before this happened, what do you mean by removed? I thought the mobo was meant to be mounted onto the case using standoffs?


    Sometimes a case has standoffs pre-mounted in the wrong spots. In your case it may have been for a micro-atx motherbd.

    It should be easy enough to tilt out the motherbd tray and have a peek below the motherbd, you should only have the 9 standoffs there with 9 matching screws on the motherbd.
  13. zjuventus14 said:
    Well, it seems like all outgoing ports have some sort of issue, unless did the keyboard itself work when you had nothing plugged in to SATA ports?


    No i had the keyboard in and it works. The PSU from my old build shuts off as soon as i plug a ssd/hdd into it even without it being connected to the mobo.

    Also Popatim, chances are i'm going to strip the whole system and build it outside the case and check how it works outside the case.

    I wouldn't have thought a standoff would cause this issue at random but it's something i'll check, unfortunately i can't check the mobo without taking tubing out and if im doing that i may as well take everything out of the case, wouldn't this have occured on first boot up if it was a standoff btw? Also the PSU inside the case is totally dbtw If that helps.
  14. My first thought was a bad PSU, especially running twin Titan X's. I think its the PSU. It's possible to get even a bad platinum rated EVGA unit every once and a while. I might consider going with a 1500w unit - or this:

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151140

    BTW, congratulations on your build. That's the stuff dreams are made of. Few of us can ever come close to that. My hat's off to you sir.
  15. Thanks hapkiman, it's an amazing build when it works haha, i thought a 1200w PSU would cope with a decent amount of headroom?

    The second PSU i use was from an old build and is 850W it is the one which im hooking up SSDs to and it still shuts down.. rather confused.. dunno if the "New" PSU failing maybe destroyed them?

    But then even my CD drive which wasn't even connected at the time shuts down the PSU.. gonna get a new PSU because i really expected better from EVGA, Good graphics cards.. PSU not so much..

    It's my first build so it was a big undertaking but i learned a lot and still am.

    I was looking at a Superflower 1200W PSU as i've heard good things about them as well as you can get one in white which would match my build.. all about asthetics haha ;)

    Or should i go higher than 1200W, i used a PSU calculator with OCs and peripherals etc and got 1100 ish under full load? Any thoughts?
  16. Here is a very good breakdown to PSUs. Personally, and I think I have a few people in my camp...I think you can't beat Seasonic for quality.

    http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/id-2547993/psu-tier-list.html

    Like I said you might try a 1500w unit (Seasonic does not make one over 1200w), but that's up to you. It is possible that the EVGA unit you had is good for your build, but that you just got a lemon. And I doubt any damage was done to your system. Personally I would prob go with the 1200w platinum Seasonic I listed. It is not white though...sorry.


    ***Also -double check popatim's original post -just to be sure a mobo standoff is not shorting something out. I'm betting on the PSU though.
  17. Thanks that post is very informative! Yeah i think 1200W is more than enough for the build with a decent overclock.

    Yeah i'm hopeful that nothing else is damaged, just confusing how with just an SSD plugged into the psu it shuts down instantly.

    Thanks for that article.
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