NEW Samsung 950 Pro M.2 3.0x4 NVME ssd

Consumers have been patiently waiting for Samsung to introduce a consumer version of an M.2 3.0 x 4 NVMe ssd with full factory warranty. It is going to happen.

Samsung originally introduced the XP941 and then two versions of the SM951. All three models were OEM models designed explicitly for installation in computers sold by companies like Dell, HP, Lenovo, and others. They were never meant to be purchased by consumers. Since they were OEM versions there was no standard Samsung manufacturers warranty. Despite the OEM designation and lack of a warranty consumers still managed to purchase those drives thanks to a few online vendors who were willing to sell them to consumers. Two or three of the vendors also indicated they would honor what normally would have been a 3 year warranty and they shipped the ssd's world wide.

Earlier this year during an interview a Samsung corporate vice president that was in charge of flash memory or ssd's made a comment about consumers purchasing the OEM ssd's when a retail version was in development. The same vice president also casually mentioned that Samsung had ssd's in the laboratory that had already lasted the equivalent of 28 years of use. Then everything went quiet.

Last month Samsung released several business enterprise ssd's. Some web sites reported that one of the enterprise ssd's would replace the SM951. That information turned out to be incorrect so I started contacting my sources. I received confirmation from several sources that there would be a new retail model this month. However, technical information was still unavailable.

On the 4th of September I discovered a French vendor that published a web page with the Samsung 950 Pro ssd. The page was published just 6 minutes before I found it. Here is the link to that page:

http://www.pc21.fr/fiche/mz-v5p256bw-ssd-950-pro-256-go-nvme-i1404310.html

Unfortunately there were no technical specifications, no images, and no inventory available.

On the 16th of September I found a few more French vendors listing the Samsung 950 Pro. Like the first one the vendors had no ssd's in stock and there were no photos or technical specifications. However, there was one vendor that had a little more information regarding availability and shipping. Here is a link to that web page:

http://estock.fr/basketadd.php?partnumber=MZ-V5P256BW&eStockSID=36ac3c51275f0e6ea0410bb865909378

That page indicates the 950 Pro would be available in 8 to 12 days. I'm fairly certain the page was published on the 16th of September. Adding 8 to 12 days would mean availability sometime between the 24th and 28th of September.

I sent a customer inquiry to an Australian vendor who replied a shipment of the Samsung 950 Pro NVMe ssd is expected to arrive before the end of the month. In addition two different sources in the USA confirmed the 950 Pro exists and that the ssd would be available soon. There was no mention of a release date for the USA.

Two days ago I contacted a customer service representative at Newegg and asked about the Samsung 950 Pro. The representative stated that the Newegg representatives were not permitted to discuss future products. However, the rep provided a link to a newegg web page that had a form for suggesting new products. I filled out and submitted it. The first reply was simply an automatic message acknowledging receipt of the form. Next I received a message from the customer service department saying my request was forwarded to a department responsible for future products. This morning I received a third message. Here is the exact reply:

"As to your request as below, I got the feedback from our product management department: the new one should be the retail version, it is not available in US but other country for now, US will be coming soon. Once it is available, we will post it online. "

That is definitely good news despite the fact that the 950 Pro will be available in Europe and Australia before North America.

I can understand that a few consumers in the USA might be a little frustrated that the 950 Pro will probably be available in Europe and Australia before it is available in the USA. However, that should not be a problem. One could purchase the ssd from a vendor in another country. RamCity is an Austrailian vendor that sells the XP941 and SM951 OEM ssd's. The company sells the drives on their own web site, on Amazon.com, and on ebay.com. The prices are competative and the company ships world wide. Best of all, RamCity is one of only a very few vendors that were willing to honor a 3 year warranty for the Samsung OEM ssd's. I would not be surprised if RamCity had the 950 Pro before Newegg.
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  1. Good news. I actually ordered the Sm951 256 from ram city through Amazon last night and should have it Thursday. I guess I have 30 days to return if the 950 is released and provides a better price/performance.
  2. The original French vendor now has the 512GB version listed. Here is the link:

    http://www.pc21.fr/fiche/mz-v5p512bw-ssd-950-pro-512-go-nvme-i1404364.html

    Looks like the vendor might have the both the 256GB and 512GB versions in stock.
  3. sure hope US pricing falls in line with those French websites' pricing
  4. looks like it's official with some specs - Oct 15th, and retail pricing of $200 for the 256GB variant

    http://www.tomshardware.com/news/samsung-950-pro-ssd-nvme-3d-vnand,30135.html
  5. Specs look good. Hope technical reviews are published before launch date.

    I was also hoping for a MSRP/retail price somewhere around $0.50 USD per Gigabyte and sale prices at about $0.35 USD per Gigabyte. Probably not going to happen.
  6. I am really torn between this or just getting a 1tb evo.
  7. if you don't go with the 950 Pro, you know you'll regret passing on the speed

    and for the naysayers that say there's no noticeable increase in speed, rendering videos, time to render dropped by 60-65% and i'm curious to see how much more it drops writing to and reading from a PCie M.2 SSD - right now i'm reading from a sata SSD and writing to the M.2 SSD
  8. Excalibur PC in Fremont, California is taking pre-orders for the Samsung 950 Pro 256GB and 512GB ssd's:

    http://www.excaliberpc.com/products/products.html?search=Samsung+950+Pro
  9. BEEN thinking about it - it's going to be interesting to see if samsung ships it with boot file drivers to make installation a little less burdensome - i'm hoping they'll follow intel's lead, as with the 750
  10. Spotted a few more European vendors taking pre-orders.

    In the meantime, Pure PC in Poland published the first technical review of the Samsung 950 Pro. Here is the link:

    http://www.purepc.pl/pamieci_masowe/samsung_ssd_950_pro_m2_test_superszybkiego_dysku_pcie_nvme

    The review is available in English and several other languages. Just look for the small national flags at the top right of the page.

    It is a long review and the results were very favorable. It should be noted that the synthetic benchmarks look good but in typical mainstream use there's not much difference between the 950 Pro and top of the line SATA 3 6Gb/s solid state drives. There were a few subjects that were not mentioned.
  11. JohnnyLucky said:
    ....... It should be noted that the synthetic benchmarks look good but in typical mainstream use there's not much difference between the 950 Pro and top of the line SATA 3 6Gb/s solid state drives. There were a few subjects that were not mentioned.


    Not sure if you include video rendering as "typical mainstream use" but i've seen quite a few RKIs (reasonably knowledgable individuals) make similiar stmts, and that does not reconcile with what i've seen, like i said in video rendering. I have to believe the reduction in time was due to the considerably higher write speeds of the PCIe M.2 SSD.

    There was a discussion or debate on this in another forum, and up until 2 or 3 other video hobbyists chimed in with similiar reports, i started to wonder if i was smoking some home rolled cigs when i noticed the increase in the reduction in rendering times. http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2441787&page=5&highlight=
  12. I spotted a few more European and Australian web sites taking pre-orders for the 950 Pro. A couple of German web sites indicated vendors are expected to start shipping the ssd on Monday, October 12th.

    Ralph - I come from a rather unique motion picture film background so I tend to dismiss just about all of the inexpensive video editing applications that consumers tend to purchase.
  13. More vendors taking pre-orders. European vendors are listing availability dates around the middle of this month. Austrailian vendors are listing availability dates towards the latter part of this month. ExcaliberPC in Fremont, California did not have an availability date so I sent an inquiry. Sometime yesterday the company posted an availability date of the 5th of November. It is beginning to look like consumers in the USA should plan on a Black Friday purchase.
  14. I've now had three MicroCenter's in the US say "early November" too.....
  15. Geekwad - Thanks for the MicroCenter information. That settles it. Just plan on a Black Friday purchase.

    I've been waiting for a consumer version of a Samsung M.2 3.0 x 4 solid state drive with full factory warranty ever since I first read about the XP941 OEM ssd in April of 2013. Then in April of 2014 I read about both OEM versions of the SM951. Again, there was no retail version. Waiting almost two and one half years is frustrating to say the least.
  16. JohnnyLucky said:
    Excalibur PC in Fremont, California is taking pre-orders for the Samsung 950 Pro 256GB and 512GB ssd's:

    http://www.excaliberpc.com/products/products.html?search=Samsung+950+Pro


    O have contacted them. ETA for Samsung 950 Pro is early November 2015.
  17. Is there any indication that the Samsung ssd migration tool will support the 950 PRO?
    If not, it is a show stopper for me.
  18. what's so great about samsung migration? iirc, it was just a "private labeled" copy of acronis

    and there are better "migration" software versions out there -

    just saying
  19. geofelt - The Samsung 950 Pro has an updated UBX controller, updated firmware, a Samsung NVMe driver, a new version of Samsung Magician, AES encryption, thermal protection, and of course 3D V-Nand flash memory.

    Ralph - I've been over here in the ssd section of the forum since 2008. The entire time I have always stated that a fresh clean install is the preferred method of installing Microsoft Windows. Cloning applications work reasonably well; however, glitches can develop. If you take a look at the ssd section of this forum you can't help but notice that there are entirely too many threads about problems with cloning. The other problem is that over a period of time Microsoft Windows turns into a bloated pig. By that I mean Windows does not properly uninstall applications. There are too many incorrect, useless, unneeded, and redundant registry entries & data files. Do you really want to clone that to a brand new ssd?
  20. The Original Ralph said:
    what's so great about samsung migration? iirc, it was just a "private labeled" copy of acronis

    and there are better "migration" software versions out there -

    just saying


    Samsung ssd migration has never failed me.
    Actually, it is a free private version of CLONIX, I believe.
    It is not a true bit for bit clone, but a migration which can selectively not migrate large files if need be so as to fit on a smaller ssd than the original hard drive.
  21. JohnnyLucky said:


    Ralph - ........ Do you really want to clone that to a brand new ssd?


    If i run into the same headaches i did when i installed my xp941, hell yes

    and actually, thinking about it and the fact that i've already got win 7 x64 installed and running on my xp941, i'm not sure what purpose would be served by a fresh install, plus as geofelt mentions below, having done a fresh install twice in the past 9 months and the fact that it takes me 11-12 hours for a complete installation. Just the windows updates take a couple of hours (guesstimate) to download and install, versus 20-30 minutes cloning from M.2 socket to expansion card mounted 950 Pro

    I'm not computer literate enough to know for sure, but the only "hiccup" might possibly be cloning the xp941 which is AHCI protocol to NVMe protocol, but hopefully it can be "repaired" with the windows dvd if i experience any corrupted or missing boot files. If not, then there's no choice but do a fresh install
  22. A new build, I agree is technically the best solution.
    But, consider the pain of reinstalling a large number of apps and games, then it gives one pause.

    Perhaps a related question.
    Does an upgrade from windows 7 to windows 10 give you a cleaner install?
  23. so here it is the 11th, the NDA was supposed to end on the 10th and i haven't seen any tech reviews on the 950 PRO, not even that polish website - Maybe samsung sent out a team to wack them, who knows
  24. It is the 15th of the month and still no 950 Pro - just lots of vendors taking pre-orders.

    Ralph, there is only one thing to do - chill out! I'm just going to plan on a Black Friday or Cyber Monday purchase.
  25. Microcenter told me today that they are expecting their first lot on October 26th, but fully expect it to be pushed back to the week of Nov 2nd.
  26. Geekwad said:
    Microcenter told me today that they are expecting their first lot on October 26th, but fully expect it to be pushed back to the week of Nov 2nd.


    ShopBLT told me they'll have them in stock and ready to ship on the 30th . They had it for pre order but took it off for some reason . I'm wait until it's available at a Samsung authorized seller just to be safe with the warranty .
  27. One more thing to add , idk if it's because of the 950 pro coming out but Samsung are going crazy low on the 850 evo and pro . You get a 512gb pro for 175 or a 250gb evo for 75 . All the Samsung evo and pro ssd's are at the lowest they've ever been .
  28. I've seen a few retailers that had NVMe 951's clearancing them like mad now too. I ran across a 128Gb for $63.....
  29. Refugee47 said:
    One more thing to add , idk if it's because of the 950 pro coming out but Samsung are going crazy low on the 850 evo and pro . You get a 512gb pro for 175 or a 250gb evo for 75 . All the Samsung evo and pro ssd's are at the lowest they've ever been .


    Sorry for the down arrow meant to be the up...need new glasses....lol
  30. JohnnyLucky: "...Ralph, there is only one thing to do - chill out! I'm just going to plan on a Black Friday or Cyber Monday purchase."

    Johnny, i might suggest you do the same - you're over-reacting to a fairly simple straightforward stmt, no "chilling" neccessary. A more appropriate response would have been to have simply stated what that samsung technical marketing director did on anandtech, that samsung had extended the NDA expiration date.

    As to amazon selling it or being the first to offer it on their own website, that's the part that would bother me as an amazon vendor, ie that they would compete with their own sellers. Basically, they have inside info on how many of any product is sold, and the ones that are "hot", amazon then decides to sell that item themselves. While i've got no hesitation buying from amazon, if i were a vendor of theirs, i would probably be a little irked, to say the least.
  31. Seems to have disappeared from Amazon and BH.
  32. They where there yesterday....I wonder whats going on, why no reviews too????????????
  33. the lack of reviews, according to someone who's identified (in his signature) as "samsung Technical Marketing", is because the NDA, which was supposed to expire Oct 10th, has had the expiration date pushed back, twice now

    see post #94, 2nd from last post on this page http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2446603&page=4
  34. jeff0078 said:
    Seems to have disappeared from Amazon and BH.



    I think they sold out the first shipment they're expecting . BH told me the first shipment is arriving the 25th .
  35. Refugee47 said:
    jeff0078 said:
    Seems to have disappeared from Amazon and BH.



    I think they sold out the first shipment they're expecting . BH told me the first shipment is arriving the 25th .


    Hmm, would that warrant taking down the listings though? And it's a pre-order so why would you have to change anything in the listing or take it down? I never saw them, but I'm assuming they were labeled as pre-orders or not being in stock yet.
  36. jeff0078 said:
    Refugee47 said:
    jeff0078 said:
    Seems to have disappeared from Amazon and BH.



    I think they sold out the first shipment they're expecting . BH told me the first shipment is arriving the 25th .


    Hmm, would that warrant taking down the listings though? And it's a pre-order so why would you have to change anything in the listing or take it down? I never saw them, but I'm assuming they were labeled as pre-orders or not being in stock yet.



    Now that I looked into it more I think something else is going on because shopblt also took their "pre order" listing off . Excaliberpc is the only one listing it . Idk maybe they pushed it back or something like that .
  37. i saved the amazon listing in my "checkout cart" on amazon - it sez "currently unavailable", so basically the page was set up to collect pre-orders

    i suspect something else is going on, ie problems in pre-production or production testing - the NDA being pushed back twice sez it's a problem they underestimated.

    Making me more and more likely to hold off purchasing, till at least black friday or possibly until after christmas - i tired of being a beta customer a long time ago
  38. I'm really curious to see how the 950 pro 512 GB improves a Photography workflow around Adobe Lightroom. It's a database file that also tracks original files for photos, videos, and metadata. That brings up a huge amount of random reads that have typically slowed otherwise fast SSDs to a total crawl - at least with large libraries. The latency spikes get really annoying, and the whole system waits around for the drive holding the catalog (i.e. the database file).

    But it seems like this new NVMe drive from Samsung could be about as good as NAND will get until Intel releases X-Point storage in late 2016. Not sure if I'll go for this or wait until X-Point comes around. It will depend on a lot of things I guess. To get either drive, I'd have to upgrade my entire motherboard, and I don't want to buy into a Z-series chipset. Might have to wait until the next X-series chipset comes out, and X-Point might be available by then.
  39. Ralph - "Johnny, i might suggest you do the same......" I did mean me.

    Wasn't there another problem earlier this year? I seem to recall Samsung started to ship an M.2 model to partners and then did an immediate recall for a firmware update.

    Google is my friend - I found the post I made on the 24th of June. At the time it was believed to be a consumer retail version of the Samsung SM951 NVME OEM model with full factory warranty. The reason for the recall was a firmware update. Hmmm....I'm wondering if it was actually the 950 Pro.
  40. I pre ordered one from Amazon last night and they sent me an email tonight saying they now know when the the 950 will arrive at their warehouse , they'll have it November 4th-5th .
  41. If / when you get notice that they've shipped, please post if you can remember
  42. I cancelled my order with Excaliber once I learned that Samsung's warranty wouldn't apply since they aren't an authorized internet dealer. Now I don't have anywhere to pre-order it from grrrrrr!
  43. The Original Ralph said:
    If / when you get notice that they've shipped, please post if you can remember


    Their email says "We now have delivery date(s) for the order you placed on October 18, 2015 (Order# 110-87558-):

    "Samsung 950 PRO -Series 512GB PCIe NVMe - M.2 Internal SSD 2-Inch MZ-V5P512BW"
    Estimated arrival date: November 04, 2015 - November 05, 2015 .

    When I check shipping status it says expected to ship October 28th . I'll post here once I get the item shipped email .
  44. this was posted over on another forum, but looks like a german vendor is quoting Nov 6th as delivery date for the european market

    http://www.markit.eu/de/en/products/v1?SB=29031&Target=search&Search=ssd+950+pro&InStock=False&PageNr=1
  45. Russian, Polish, and Italian sites just published first reviews this morning.

    I started a new thread for the reviews. Here is the link:

    http://www.tomshardware.com/answers/id-2836078/1st-reviews-samsung-950-pro-nvme-ssd.html
  46. btw, amazon, after pulling it's "pre-order" listing, just relisted it, showing a Oct 29th release date

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01639694M?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=ox_sc_sfl_title_1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER
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