Help with 2009 PC upgrade Route

So Back to the Drawing boards. Looking to upgrade from a 2009 Build intel 775 Socket. Looking for a mid range build not going for a top of the line Build. Happy with I-5's and DDR3 - DDR4.

I will be using the computer for Games and Gopro Video Editing and converting AVI Video's into 1080p MP4 . I do not want to Overclock.

I know for gaming CPU's don't affect gaming as much a GPU will but With Video Conversion that is where the CPU is worth the investment. Currently it takes 20-45 mins for Video Conversion .

I'm wondering what route to take. Currently Local deals have MOBO and CPU combos on I-5's 4690k, 4590 ETC pair with a ASUS Mobo around $222 most of the time. So basically you get a Free Mobo when you buy a CPU from them in store.

Now Since the arrival of new Skylake and DDR4 Mobo I'm wondering If I should just wait for the Skylake combo's.

Will The Skylake CPU be that much more of Improvement for Video Conversion? How much more will the High speed DDR4 help with Video Conversion than DDR3? Also Would 16gb of Ram be worth the investment for Video Conversion's?
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  1. Can you get a Xeon 1231v3 offer? The four cores and Hyperthreading will help with your edit and convert work.

    There's cost benefit at work. A 4460 or 4590 Haswell solution will be a bit slower than the Skylake, but is cheaper than it is slower, so has better price-performance.

    At Skylake prices the 2011-3 socket is best for edit and conversion.

    This, is a base Haswell system. The motherboard is chosen so you can use the memory at 2400Mhz.

    PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

    CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($175.88 @ OutletPC)
    Motherboard: ASRock Z97 Anniversary ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($77.98 @ Newegg)
    Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2400 Memory ($92.99 @ Newegg)
    Total: $346.85
    Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
    Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-09-16 16:43 EDT-0400

    Upgraded to Xeon with 4 cores and Hyperthreading (needs GPU)

    PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

    CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1231 V3 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($242.99 @ SuperBiiz)
    Motherboard: ASRock Z97 Anniversary ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($77.98 @ Newegg)
    Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2400 Memory ($92.99 @ Newegg)
    Total: $413.96
    Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
    Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-09-16 16:44 EDT-0400

    Six cores and six Hyperthreads. (Could handle mild overclock)

    PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

    CPU: Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core Processor ($378.99 @ SuperBiiz)
    CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.89 @ OutletPC)
    Motherboard: ASRock X99 Extreme4 ATX LGA2011-3 Motherboard ($154.98 @ Newegg)
    Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($104.95 @ B&H)
    Total: $663.81
    Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
    Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-09-16 16:46 EDT-0400

    Skylake latest and greatest.

    PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

    CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($239.99 @ Amazon)
    CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.89 @ OutletPC)
    Motherboard: ASRock H170M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($94.99 @ Newegg)
    Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws 4 series 16GB (4 x 4GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($134.99 @ Newegg)
    Total: $494.86
    Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
    Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-09-16 16:49 EDT-0400
  2. Never seen a Xeon CPU offer, Just I 5-7 . So would it be worth to get the 16GB or would 8Gb be enough ?
  3. I'd go with the i7-5820k if you have the budget for it. Slightly less powerful for gaming than the other two, but you should really notice the difference with the video work.

    16GB is definitely the way to go, and at current prices it's be silly not to.
  4. SSD What is a Good sale price now on a 240gb. Today one going for $74 for 240GB. I have a 120Gb for Boot up and Had put some steam games on it, now it has gone full in a few months. I was thinking of a 240GB should be enough?
  5. CabKing65 said:
    Never seen a Xeon CPU offer, Just I 5-7 . So would it be worth to get the 16GB or would 8Gb be enough ?


    The Xeon is functionally equivalent to a locked i7 4770 and lacks an iGPU, but can run ECC memory, if you wish,

    I have one in the system I'm using now, if you look at my signature.
  6. CabKing65 said:
    SSD What is a Good sale price now on a 240gb. Today one going for $74 for 240GB. I have a 120Gb for Boot up and Had put some steam games on it, now it has gone full in a few months. I was thinking of a 240GB should be enough?


    How much can you afford?

    500 is faster than 250 is faster than 120 due to parallel access.

    Your applications may use 'scratch' files to hold partly completed work or work in progress, or need to read source frequently. In all of these cases, if what is needed is on a SSD, it will be much faster. I have built a couple of systems with only a 500GB SSD and will add a HDD when and if it is needed.

    I would certainly recommend 240Gb or more in any new system, 120Gb is not enough. (In an era of 40Gb games)

    Brand-wise, things change a lot. Crucial (Micron) and Samsung make their own chips, most of the rest use parts from them or other vendors, and it is the controller that is most important. Read reviews to make sure you are getting the good stuff. Some vendors have made changes after review and significantly reduced performance. Take care.

    Even so, any SSD will be a significant improvement.

    For video conversion, more memory, and faster memory is an advantage. Get 16Gb of fast memory, it is comparatively inexpensive, and the price/performance is better than overclocking.
  7. I was hoping to stay under $100 so I'm probably stuck with the 240GB . Could I use the 120Gb for a add On Drive for Games like Stacraft 2 and Put Steam games on the 240Gb ? 360Gb total for Gaming Minus the Windows OS ??
  8. I might do it the other way. Use the 120GB for OS only, and the 240 for applications. The system I am working on here uses a 256Gb SSD and it is 55% full after about a year, but I'm being very careful.
  9. DonkeyOatie said:
    I might do it the other way. Use the 120GB for OS only, and the 240 for applications. The system I am working on here uses a 256Gb SSD and it is 55% full after about a year, but I'm being very careful.


    How would I set that up? Im new to the SSD game!
  10. This is also an answer to your PM.

    An SSD is just like any other drive, just a lot faster. I start my system with only the OS SSD connected and boot the system and put the drivers on that SSD drive. When the system is running, I attach any other disk drives and set up the volumes as usual. If you did this, you would have the OS on your 120Gb SSD and to make the space, you could copy the files over to your other drive. Many SSDs come with image software to allow copying of information.

    The computer I'm using is now powered by a Xeon 1231v3. Over the summer, I studied overclocking and memory configurations with various Haswell processors, for a school Science fair project. At the end of it all I ended up with 2 x G3258, i3 4130, i5 4590, i5 4690K, Xeon 1231v3, and i7 4790K, and I got to decide which CPUs to keep.

    This computer used to have an i5 4590 in it. The i5 is 3.3Ghz/3.7Ghz, 84W, four core unit.
    The Xeon 1231v3 is 3.4Ghz/3.8Ghz, 80W, four core, 4 Hyperthread unit, so the two are very similar. For many benchmarks, the two CPUs are indistinguishable, for a few, where the GTX 750ti is not limiting, there is a 10 - 20% advantage.

    Fire Strike is 4340 to 4517
    Sky Diver is 13783 to 14697
    Cloud Gate is 15083 to 18900
    Ice Storm is 133900 to 133005

    4DMark11 is 6038 to 6411

    Unigine Heaven, and Valley, PC Mark 7, and 8, show no real difference

    ASUS Realbench shows significant improvement to everything but, surprisingly, the GIMP based image processing. Perhaps it is GPU limited.

    It seems from the fine-structure of the data, that the memory controller of the Xeon might be slower or less efficient (it is based on the i7 4770 die rather than the 4790)

    Where there is an improvement, it is about the same as a 4.1Ghz overclock of a i5 4690K.

    Looking at your motherboard, the H97 Anniversary is OK, and will run the i5/Xeon with the stock cooler. It's a pretty basic board, and I would rather use the H97 Pro 4, or equivalent mATX.

    If you get a cheap Z97board and 2400Mhz memory, you can get a decent performance increase for some things.

    Using the Xeon as an example (and with a GTX 970)

    1600Mhz vs 2400Mhz

    3Dmark shows no difference, along with Unigine Heaven, Valley, PCMark 7 and 8.

    Realbench shows a 3 to 5% advantage for every section.

    The Euler fluid dynamics test from Caselab, which is pure computation shows a significant improvement.

    3.310 to 3.685
    4.730 to 5.406
    5.834 to 6.520

    This may be worth it for your editing and rendering.

    Hope this information helps.
  11. CsbKin65 has sent me a PM which says the they edit small videos infrequently (the last one being 60 days ago) but game every day. In this case and i5 is plenty. A modern i5 will run any GPU and if games should load it to the max, it is largely due to poor coding or porting rather than actual need.

    How much do you want to spend?

    This is the 'base' standard. I would not want less than this.

    PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

    CPU: Intel Core i5-4460 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($175.88 @ OutletPC)
    Motherboard: ASRock H97M PRO4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($79.89 @ OutletPC)
    Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($41.99 @ Newegg)
    Total: $297.76
    Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
    Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-09-18 09:57 EDT-0400

    and this is the top end.

    PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

    CPU: Intel Core i5-4690K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($229.99 @ SuperBiiz)
    CPU Cooler: CRYORIG H7 49.0 CFM CPU Cooler ($34.50 @ Newegg)
    Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z97X-GAMING 7 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($158.98 @ Newegg)
    Memory: G.Skill Trident X Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR3-2400 Memory ($119.89 @ OutletPC)
    Total: $543.36
    Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
    Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-09-18 10:03 EDT-0400

    I chose this motherboard because it is good and is available with the CPU as a MicroCenter bundle for about $345 at the moment and the extra memory will help editing and the speed to help most things. The CPU cooler is incase you want to overclock. Even if you do not want to do so now, it is easier and safer it install it with the build. Taking a working system apart and putting a cooler back plate on can be difficult with many cases (but not all with backplate access)
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