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im just getting into pc hardware so i need a little help picking a new graphics card. i only ask that it have hardware T&L

the computer i have is a dell vostro 200 (not the slim). whenever i google that i get very similar results to the one i have, however, mine came with win xp(currently running win 10 insider preview) and the ones ive found showed vista. so, not sure what thats about but im in the market for a new graphics card cause apparently this one is old as dirt. i was trying to play fallout 3 in anticipation for fallout 4, and when i launch it, an error message pops up and says hardware T&L required but not supported. i googled it and found out its a graphics card issue. i have a $50.00 budget. whats the best i can do on this budget? my googling and research has come up with this

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133457

is it a good one? is it the best one? is it even compatable? somebody plz help. if any additional info is required just ask.
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  1. This card is a ton better for $20 more. You'll need minimum 350 watts and make sure it fits.


    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125516&cm_re=r7_240-_-14-125-516-_-Product


    EDIT: This is a smaller one in case it doesn't fit...do some measuring inside your case and check your power supply. The smaller one is actually better I think.

    One of them is shorter in length and taller in height and one is longer but lower in height. The short taller one is the better one as it is oc already I believe. Other people have put cards in that vostro 200 so it can be done.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202091&cm_re=r7_240-_-14-202-091-_-Product


    You tube vid of someone installing things in vostro:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fbN58-douA
  2. MSI GeForce GTX 750 1GB GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16
    $64.99 after $30.00 rebate card
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127788&cm_re=750-_-14-127-788-_-Product
  3. Reaper_7799 said:
    You tube vid of someone installing things in vostro:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fbN58-douA

    how good is the card he used in the vid? it seems alright but again, im just starting to learn hardware, so i dont really know much of anything. also, i really like your suggestions, and rcald2000's too, but they're out of my price range. i wish i could afford those but i just cant. i dont have a job or anything yet, so im lucky i have $50.00. i really appreaciate all your suggestions but some at/under my budget would be fantastic.
  4. another question, how do i check my power supply? how do i see how much is being used, and how much more/less would be used after installing a new card?
  5. i feel like i'm posting way too often but last one, i promise... i did some more browsing on newegg and put together a comparison of the 4 i think are great. i compared more than 4 then narrowed things out and i'm left with [this](http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=-1&IsNodeId=1&Description=EVGA%2001G-P3-2615-KR%20GeForce%20GT%20610%201GB%2064-Bit%20DDR3%20PCI%20Express%202%2E0%20x16%20HDCP%20Ready%20Video%20Card&bop=And&CompareItemList=-1%7C14-127-851%5E14-127-851-TS%2C14-500-259%5E14-500-259-TS%2C14-127-863%5E14-127-863-04%23%2C14-130-815%5E14-130-815-TS&percm=14-130-815%3A%24%24%24%24%24%24%24)
    which one is the absolute top-dog? the bees-knees? the alpha and the omega? or do they all suck and there's a better one for the same price that i just missed?

    EDIT: apparently this doesn't work like reddit, so sorry for the formatting
  6. fryinhigh420 said:
    another question, how do i check my power supply? how do i see how much is being used, and how much more/less would be used after installing a new card?


    You'll have to open up your case and it is on your power supply somewere, but I think yours is 350 watt from dell but check it anyways. If you seriously can't afford the extra $20, it would be so so worth it for the other card but if you really can't then do this card instead.

    Zotac is not the best brand of card out there at all but you are trying to spend a low low amount so I would have to say this card, even by zotac is much better than those your looking at now or what that guy was putting in his case. This also shouldn't require a power supply upgrade.

    $45 GT 730

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500355&cm_re=geforce_gt-_-14-500-355-_-Product
  7. fryinhigh420 said:
    i feel like i'm posting way too often but last one, i promise... i did some more browsing on newegg and put together a comparison of the 4 i think are great. i compared more than 4 then narrowed things out and i'm left with [this](http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=-1&IsNodeId=1&Description=EVGA%2001G-P3-2615-KR%20GeForce%20GT%20610%201GB%2064-Bit%20DDR3%20PCI%20Express%202%2E0%20x16%20HDCP%20Ready%20Video%20Card&bop=And&CompareItemList=-1%7C14-127-851%5E14-127-851-TS%2C14-500-259%5E14-500-259-TS%2C14-127-863%5E14-127-863-04%23%2C14-130-815%5E14-130-815-TS&percm=14-130-815%3A%24%24%24%24%24%24%24)
    which one is the absolute top-dog? the bees-knees? the alpha and the omega? or do they all suck and there's a better one for the same price that i just missed?

    EDIT: apparently this doesn't work like reddit, so sorry for the formatting


    This 730 is much much better card at that price.
  8. Cancel that one...it's pcix 1, I just noticed it....don't do it but there's one at $54 and you should seriously do it if you can.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125681&cm_re=gt_730-_-14-125-681-_-Product

    The 5 bucks above your $50 budget will make a big difference in this case. If the cards were so close to being the same I would say just do what you're doing but you're so low right now, even some of the minor increase in performance that wouldn't matter at higher level cards, however will translate to a much larger increase in performance here in this case.
  9. Reaper_7799 said:
    The 5 bucks above your $50 budget will make a big difference in this case. If the cards were so close to being the same I would say just do what you're doing but you're so low right now, even some of the minor increase in performance that wouldn't matter at higher level cards, however will translate to a much larger increase in performance here in this case.

    What exactly are you looking at when you compare cards? because comparing that card to the Zotac i was looking at, i don't see much of a difference. the core clock is higher and the memory is lower. that's all i see that's different. i'm not asking in order to argue which is better, i trust your recommendation over mine, i'm asking so that i can compare cards myself and not have to rely on the internet every time.
  10. fryinhigh420 said:
    Reaper_7799 said:
    The 5 bucks above your $50 budget will make a big difference in this case. If the cards were so close to being the same I would say just do what you're doing but you're so low right now, even some of the minor increase in performance that wouldn't matter at higher level cards, however will translate to a much larger increase in performance here in this case.

    What exactly are you looking at when you compare cards? because comparing that card to the Zotac i was looking at, i don't see much of a difference. the core clock is higher and the memory is lower. that's all i see that's different. i'm not asking in order to argue which is better, i trust your recommendation over mine, i'm asking so that i can compare cards myself and not have to rely on the internet every time.



    I know because I know these cards and I've seen reviews and comparos and benchmarks before. If you want just google both the cards with compare or review or benchmarks or something like that and they will show you big differences between those cards.

    You can't tell from just reading numbers like core clock or memory, they need to be compared in action because the cards have different architecture and such that come into play when actually playing games and such.
  11. Don't necessarily type the name like zotac or whatever cause you might not find a review or side by side but just type gt 610 vs gt 730 and the results will give you a bunch of different reviews or benchmarks comparing them or just a review on one that you can then compare to another. Just scroll through and read some of the reviews or comparos.

    EDIT: Here's one quick one....plus 150%-200% more than the 610 on just about everything.

    http://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GeForce-GT-730-vs-Nvidia-GeForce-GT-610/m12582vsm7736
  12. thank you for your continuous help. you saved me a lot of hassle, i only have two more questions, how do i find out how much power my pc is using currently, and if it will have enough extra power to give to the video card? and when i get the card, do i replace my current card, or can/should i install it into another slot?
  13. sorry, i keep saying one more question and then asking more questions, but is my computer limited to only pci express 2.0 x16 and ddr3, or can i have say a pci express 3.0 x16 with ddr5?
  14. Best answer
    You're welcome. And don't worry about asking more, that's what people are here for. You can't really find out how much your pc is using but your total pc based on the specs from dell probably uses around 150-175 watts total, if it uses that much. Your power supply says from dell it's 300 watts but I would look and see myself to double check. It is written on the power supply itself. That link can give you an idea about power. These lower cards typically don't use extra power, some have plugs that need to be plugged in directly to the power supply, this one does not and will get enough power through the slot in the motherboard. The 300 watts you have will be fine.

    http://www.extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine

    You will replace the card in there with the new one. Even if you have multiple slots for pcie, most of the time they are all different speeds or will be if you have multiple things plugged in at once. Except for the one main pci e slot, which will run at 16x. The 2.0 and 3.0 pci speeds or versions are compatible with each other in any configuration and the dd3 and ddr5 memory has only to do with the graphics card memory on the card, not what is on your motherboard.

    The ddr3 and GDRR5 memory and such the cards have, obviously ddr5 is faster and 2gb is better than one but only when comparing them to the exact same card. Even if the GT 610 you were looking at had 2gb memory and the 730 had 1GB, the performance on the 730 is not from memory so it will still beat out that card no matter the amount of memory.
  15. Reaper_7799 said:
    You're welcome. And don't worry about asking more, that's what people are here for. You can't really find out how much your pc is using but your total pc based on the specs from dell probably uses around 150-175 watts total, if it uses that much. Your power supply says from dell it's 300 watts but I would look and see myself to double check. It is written on the power supply itself. That link can give you an idea about power. These lower cards typically don't use extra power, some have plugs that need to be plugged in directly to the power supply, this one does not and will get enough power through the slot in the motherboard. The 300 watts you have will be fine.

    http://www.extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine

    You will replace the card in there with the new one. Even if you have multiple slots for pcie, most of the time they are all different speeds or will be if you have multiple things plugged in at once. Except for the one main pci e slot, which will run at 16x. The 2.0 and 3.0 pci speeds or versions are compatible with each other in any configuration and the dd3 and ddr5 memory has only to do with the graphics card memory on the card, not what is on your motherboard.

    The ddr3 and GDRR5 memory and such the cards have, obviously ddr5 is faster and 2gb is better than one but only when comparing them to the exact same card. Even if the GT 610 you were looking at had 2gb memory and the 730 had 1GB, the performance on the 730 is not from memory so it will still beat out that card no matter the amount of memory.

    thank you, you've helped me a lot. i think I've got a decent grasp on graphics cards now. i also think i wana try to save up and just upgrade the cpu and ram as well. i don't think ill have the patience to save past $200 tho. hell i don't even know if i have the patience to save up to that! however i realy wana try. i also want recommendations, like specific products as well as best/most trusted manufactures. if I'm gonna upgrade into a legit gaming pc, i might as well try to make it a half way decent one right? also taking recommendations for what else i could/should upgrade.
  16. You're welcome. Your motherboard will be the thing holding you back for the most part. Manufacturers like Dell, Hp and so on usually use motherboards they have made specifically for them that don't fit in other cases and if you try to put another motherboard in yours, most likely it wont fit. You'd have to probably drill holes and such. The motherboards these companies use are also just made on an assembly line for the lowest cost and are not feature driven and have limitations vs buying your own motherboard and building your pc yourself.

    You can possibly upgrade your processor somewhat, but depending which processor you have now, I think you are very limited in what you can upgrade to with that motherboard. If I was looking at the vostro right, there were a few choices but it looked like maybe an intel core duo is what you have now? We'll have to dig deeper on what it is exactly you have and what you can upgrade to.

    Whenever you get the chance, go into control panel and then into system info and ram and tell me what processor you have now and what ram you have. Also, download this little program, there are others like cpu z but this is easy to read and gives you system basics and temps easy to read. Let me know what your motherboard is also, you'll see it with this program. This program will tell you processor and ram info too.

    https://www.piriform.com/speccy
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