Does prime95 damage haswell-e processor?

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iopihop

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So I have heard that prime95 is not a good program to stress test haswell-e. Any merit to that? my cpu is 5960x, I changed the oc tweaker settings in bios to 4.4 Ghz. I ran Cinebench and used Hwmonitor to look at the temps this is what they were

http://i.imgur.com/54N7KeH.jpg

voltages not really sure if these values are really bad for 4.4 Ghz
http://i.imgur.com/K8Fo50c.jpg


what should I run then if I want to see if my processor is faulty or see what can it go up to and is stable.
 
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Yes, it runs w/ any brand motherboard according to ASUS. I doubt you caused any damage for a 17 hour run @ 4 Ghz. What voltage did you set in your BIOS/UEFI? Does you CPU voltage change constantly if your monitoring it? I'm not familiar w/ Asrock motherboards so I can't say how OC tweaker adjusts settings. From what I gather, if your CPU speed goes changes from and idle speed to your OC set speed of 4.4, and your voltage changes with it, you using adaptive voltage. If your using manual voltage, lets say 1.3V, it will stay at the all the time regardless of CPU speed. If your using adaptive at 1.3, it will sit at .75 or so idle and go to 1.3 under load. The "spikes" I'm referring to are actually by design. When certain...
Run ASUS Realbench. I ran through Cinebench fine at first, but first try at Realbench had a BSOD, had to lower OC to pass benchmark/stresstest. I used it myself(have a 5820k)as it's recommended by ASUS' forum members for Haswell-E. Using aircooling and a Noctua NH-U14S, I was hitting 91C on hottest core using the stresstest(was only temporary until integrating into my waterloop). The newest version of prime supposedly pulls extra voltage (if using adaptive voltage) and high wattage through the VRMs when overclocked due to the AVX instructions. It can damage the CPU (according to ASUS). Here's a link if you wanted to read. http://rog.asus.com/365052014/overclocking/rog-overclocking-guide-core-for-5960x-5930k-5820k/ BTW, nice Cinebench score :), got around 1303 myself @ 4.4Ghz.
 

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my mobo is Asrock X99 extreme 4, can I use the asus realbench still? and how do you check if adaptive voltage is being used? is the damage immediately noticeable, cause I already ran prime95 but only at 4 Ghz oc setting, the other day for like 17 hours before I hit the power supply cable causing it to power off by accident
 
Yes, it runs w/ any brand motherboard according to ASUS. I doubt you caused any damage for a 17 hour run @ 4 Ghz. What voltage did you set in your BIOS/UEFI? Does you CPU voltage change constantly if your monitoring it? I'm not familiar w/ Asrock motherboards so I can't say how OC tweaker adjusts settings. From what I gather, if your CPU speed goes changes from and idle speed to your OC set speed of 4.4, and your voltage changes with it, you using adaptive voltage. If your using manual voltage, lets say 1.3V, it will stay at the all the time regardless of CPU speed. If your using adaptive at 1.3, it will sit at .75 or so idle and go to 1.3 under load. The "spikes" I'm referring to are actually by design. When certain instructions are sent to the CPU (think AVX), the preset voltage can be overridden. If your running manual voltage at 1.3, even with AVX, it won't go over that but may cause instability of your OC. However the flip side is when using adaptive voltage under the same situation, your 1.3 can momentarily turn into a voltage up to 1.4, though only for split seconds. I checked this behavior myself when OC'ing/testing my 5820k. Realbench will do the "spike", even in certain games apparently, as Metro LL does it as well, but not Battlefield 4. You can record the voltages/temps using HWMonitor Pro Trial edition.
 
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iopihop,

Two important items that haven't been discussed;

(1) What is your ambient temperature?

(2) Prime95 version 28.5 should not be used on 22 nanometer processors. Moreover, in the above link that 1LiquidPC was thoughtful to provide, Asus was not nearly specific enough, as they failed to mention which versions of Prime95 are unsuitable for stress testing. Although Asus stated the effect as excessive power draw, which in turn creates unrealistically high core temperatures, they did not explain the cause, which is AVX code.

This is discussed in the following Tom's Sticky: Intel Temperature Guide - http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-1800828/intel-temperature-guide.html

Keep in mind that the Guide uses Prime95 version 26.6, which is the most recent pre-AVX version. Small FFT's is used for a 10 minute thermal test only, not for stability testing.

" ... Section 12 - Thermal Testing @ 100% Workload

Prime95 Small FFT's is the standard for CPU thermal testing, because it's a steady-state 100% workload. This is the test that Real Temp uses to test sensors. The link above is to version 26.6, which is well suited to all Core 2 and Core i variants.

Core i 2nd, 3rd and 4th Generation CPU's have AVX (Advanced Vector Extension) instruction sets. Recent versions of Prime95 run AVX code on the Floating Point Unit (FPU) math coprocessor, which produces unrealistically high temperatures. The FPU test in the software utility AIDA64 shows the same results.

Prime95 v26.6 produces temperatures on 3rd and 4th Generation processors more consistent with 2nd Generation, which also have AVX instructions, but do not suffer from thermal extremes due to having a soldered Integrated Heat Spreader and a 35% larger Die.

Prime95's default test, Blend, is a cyclic workload for testing memory stability, and Large FFT's combines CPU and memory tests. As such, Blend and Large FFT's both have cyclic workloads which are unsuitable for CPU thermal testing.

Other stability tests such as Linpack and Intel Burn Test have cycles that load all registers with all one's, which is equivalent to a 110% workload, and are also unsuitable for CPU thermal testing. The software utility OCCT runs elements of Linpack and Prime95.

Shown above from left to right: Small FFT's, Blend, Linpack and Intel Burn Test.

Note the steady-state thermal signatures of Small FFT's, which allows accurate measurements of Core temperatures.

Shown above from left to right: Small FFT's, Intel Extreme Tuning Utility CPU Test, and AIDA64 CPU Test.

The "Charts" in SpeedFan span 13 minutes, and show how each test creates different thermal signatures. Intel Extreme Tuning Utility is also a cyclic workload. Although AIDA64's CPU test is steady-state, the workload is insufficient ... "

iopihop,

Please download Prime95 version 26.6 - http://windows-downloads-center.blogspot.com/2011/04/prime95-266.html

Run only Small FFT's for 10 minutes.

Your core temperatures will test 10 to 20C cooler.

Also, please read this Tom’s Sticky: Intel Temperature Guide - http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-1800828/intel-temperature-guide.html

Thanks,

CT :sol:
 

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do not have equipment for measuring ambient temperature...

i ran prme 26.6 as you suggested small FFT these are the temps, seems awfully high, did I just shorten my processor life :(

http://i.imgur.com/i1VPenE.png

over 10 mins may be more like 20 mins so far.. ima stop it now bit scared

in addition the blend test i ran the other day for 4.0 Ghz overclock was from prime95 version 28.40 from here
http://www.guru3d.com/files-details/prime95-download.html
 

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What's the approximate temperature in your room? Wall thermostat in the hallway?

Maybe this will help:

Here's the temperature conversions and a short scale:

Cx9/5+32=F ... or ... F-32/9x5=C ... or more simply ... an increase of 1C = an increase of 1.8F

30.0C = 86.0F Hot
29.0C = 84.2F
28.0C = 82.4F
27.0C = 80.6F
26.0C = 78.8F Warm
25.0C = 77.0F
24.0C = 75.2F
23.0C = 73.4F
22.0C = 71.6F Standard ... or ... 22.2C = 72.0F
21.0C = 69.8F
20.0C = 68.0F Cool

Sorry, but this screenshot shows your processor at idle, so we can't use it to compare to the next screenshot, which is Prime95 v26.6 at 100% workload.

No, as I mentioned above, 26.6 is pre-AVX. It doesn't run AVX code on your processor, so you're OK. Moreover, your processor will automatically throttle at 100C to safeguard against thermal damage, so you're still OK.

CT :sol:
 

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Hi CT,
in the past, you have edited a nice topic for calibration of CPU sensirs, which i successfully used for my Core 2 Quad Q9650.
Now, I bought a new rig with Core i7-5930K and I wondered if you could update this calibration process for the new CPU generation ?

Thank you.
 

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It will damage your CPU if you're running an overclock on it. Well not damage, more like push it farther than it should ever go. It runs an instruction set called Advanced Vector Extension 2. Run P95 v26.6 or earlier in order to avoid this push. However, run 27.9 to ensure you can run a lightly loaded version of AVX. Honestly, a lot of people that have unstable overclocks will claim 28.3/28.5 damages your CPU when it really doesn't. It runs an instruction set called AVX2 that pushes your CPU to the absolute limit regarding stability and temps.
 

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Hello,
why should 28.7 version of P95 push too much the CPU ?
It stresses CPU's a lot as they use AVX2 instructions, you are right.
But llast generation of CPU's (Especially Haswell-E) are supposed to use AVX2 instructions.
So if we don't test our oveclokcs with a software including AVX2 instructions, then we don't really test our overclocks in real conditions in which our CPU's could work.
My opinion is that we have to use the "Worst case" softwares to produce reliable ans safe overclocks versus stability and températures.
 

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grabibus,

Let's put this into perspective.

Thermal Testing:

Prime95 version 26.6 Small FFT's is ideal for testing processor core temperatures because;

(1) It more closely replicates Intel's laboratory TDP load than any other utilities.
(2) It is a steady-state 100% workload which provides non-fluctuating temperatures.
(3) Only a 10 minute test is needed to achieve results.

Stability Testing:

Prime95 Small FFT's in any version is no longer the best choice for stability testing because;

(1) It requires an excessive amount of time (often many hours) to verify processor stability.

AVX Stress Testing:

As previously mentioned in this thread, Asus discourages the the use of Prime95 versions later than 26.6 due to the excessive motherboard amperage load that must be sustained for several hours, typical of Small FFT's testing.

Intel also discourages the use of Prime95 versions later than 26.6 for similar reasons.

So here's the bottom line:

(1) If you overclock and game, and DON'T run apps which use AVX code, there's no need to test for it, because a higher stable overclock can be reached while keeping sustained core temperatures under 80C.

(2) If you overclock and DO run apps (commonly encoding tasks) which use AVX / AVX2 / FMA3 code, it often requires a lower overclock and Vcore to keep sustained core temperatures under 80C.

Regardless, all installed games and apps should be run to verify stability, and to also verify that sustained core temperatures are under 80C.

The best AVX utility for stability testing is Asus RealBench. It's a fluctuating workload which runs also provides core temperatures within a degree or two of Prime95 v26.6 Small FFT's.

grabibus,

This Thread is nearly a year old. We generally discourage dredging up old threads, because the information they contain may not be concurrent with the latest hardware and software technologies.

If you have any further questions, please start your own Thread.

This Thread is now closed.

CT :sol:
 
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