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Advise on Closed water cooler setup

So I built my new gaming rig, and now I am looking to step into the world of water cooling. My current setup is this:

z97 MSI GD-65 mobo
I7 4790k air cooled with an EVGA cooler (red LED)
8 gb G.Skill sniper ram
Asus Strix GTX 970 that I am ordering on Friday (so excited! upgrading from a GT545<== terrible!)
EVGA 750w PSU

All of this in a cooler master haf 932 advanced case.
My question is this; what would be the best CPU water cooler (closed system) setup to put in my case? i do not want to buy a new case as I really like this one, but i want to water cool without dealing with the liquid. I was thinking maybe the corsair H100i but I don’t think it will fit in my top mount bracket. Does anyone have experience with this case and the top mounting config?

My friends are telling me that I should just stay with air as I’m getting ~50c @ 4.4 under load(~24C at the time of writing this), but I really think I would like to step into the terrifying world of overclocking and I’ve been told that it’s not a good idea to do it on air.


Thank you most kindly for your time.
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    You are better off with air. As you say your temps are fine. A closed loop water cooler will cool a few degrees better at the expense of being several times louder and adding extra parts to potentially fail not to mention the extra cost. You are no where near the thermal limits of that chip so you are fine with what you have. I don't know where you heard overclocking on air is not a good idea but it's not true. It's how 99% of overclocking is done.
  2. It's not terrifying at all and really safe with a CLC. I think people really have not a clue about liquid.

    It is really up to you as there are advantages to all 3... Yes 3.

    1. Air -- Old an true method most people use because they know "Air can't leak"... But guess what air fails just like liquid and can damage just the same. Oh and some air coolers can get very loud, my 17-920 OCed to 4.0 screams like a jet when I clock it to that level... It's freaking loud...

    But you do have nice temps, so it might not be that big a deal... Unless you become a mad doctor and start fiddling around with that evil friend OC...

    2. CLC -- This is a fantastic starting point for liquid and many CLC companies have 3yr coverage on their equipment... CLC is not louder unless you decide to change the fans to higher volume as what air needs. CLC loops have in most 99% of labs proven far better cooling than any air system. average drop in temp is 15-20c depending on setup. but dont expect any system dropping below 38c, It's just what systems kinda run at.

    CLC is a great start for liquid, look at the Corsair H100i, or the even better Swiftech H220-X CPU Liquid Cooling Kit... But for you if your getting 50c... why change unless that evil friend OC stops by... Or you want to look nifty in the comp window. For $100--$149.99 you can have the best cooling per $$$ on the market.

    3. -- Custom loop. Yep the biggest and baddest tubes around the block. They offer and endless array of styles, size, quality, and not to mention price it can be PRICEY, one of my builds was around $445, and that is is the average.

    OHHHH wait I forgot there are 4...

    4. -- Cryo, don't even ask it is ridiculous to use, and the cost is insane... But hey if you feel like dropping below the -0c mark, it's they way to go...


    In all seriousness, don't fear CLC they are fantastic, but you just need to ask yourself do I need it... And if that evil friend OC comes to your house, then think about CLC it is worth it.

    Peace
  3. Air cooling can fail? Really? I've never seen large chunks of aluminum and copper fail. Fans can and do fail but closed loop coolers also have fans. In fact high end air coolers usually have 2 or at most 3 fans. High end closed loop coolers need 4 fans in a push/pull configuration to perform at maximum and to beat the best air coolers. That's more fans to fail.

    Air coolers can be loud? Yep, if you buy a loud one. Research before you buy.

    Closed loop coolers are 15 to 20C better than air??? Not in this reality. Maybe 15C--20C better than the stock cooler . Citations required or that is just a made up number and does not belong here.

    Generalized statements like "CLC loops have in most 99% of labs proven far better cooling than any air system." are not only completely wrong they are misleading. Low end closed loop coolers are easily beaten by mid range air coolers at half the price and always have been. You need a high end closed loop cooler to compete with a high end air cooler.

    I think you should get more facts straight before trying to 'help' people. Because posting made up numbers and just bad information doesn't actually help anyone and just makes you look bad to people who actually know what they are talking about.

    The actual truth of the matter is that a high end closed loop cooler can beat a high end air cooler by a few degrees while costing more and being louder.
  4. The noctua nah-d14 is a amazing air cooler. It beats the most closed water cooling systems. For water cooling it depends how much place there is in your case. When you have place for a 280mm cooler the corsair 110 or kraken x61 are great. When only enough room for a 240mm setup the corsair h100i is a good soulution. When only one 140mm fan then consider buying a kraken x41 or corsair h90. I also have the x41 and would probably recommended over the h90. And there are some pretty good single 120mm coolers out there like the corsair h80i and the kraken 31. But seriously I would rather get a good air cooler then a single 120mm closed loop system. 120mm just doesn't deliver enough cooling. When you have the space for a bigger water cooling system, get the bigger ones. They are significantly better then the smaller ones. The nh-d14 has some pretty good feedback from almost everybody. It is ca as good as the h100i in my opinion. But the price tag is some bit below the one from the h100i.
  5. Like I said he is getting good temps, no need to change but if he wanted to CLC is a viable option.

    And Air Coolers do fail just like anything can and when the fans stop the CPU will heat up... I never said anything about "large chunks of aluminum and copper fail". So have fun thinking what you want.

    Also I just gave a quick rundown of types of cooling, again I never told him to buy anything...

    Oh and sorry about the 15--20c, I just said that real fast off my head, the exacts are 4--15c depending on model, and yes CLC does cost money just like the better air coolers...


    Here you go have fun, just a few things. I guess you thought I never read...


    http://www.overclockers.com/watercooling-myths-exposed/

    http://www.anandtech.com/show/6830/cpu-air-cooler-roundup-six-coolers-from-noctua-silverstone-and-cooler-master/5

    http://vistaglance.com/air-cooling-vs-water-cooling

    http://www.pcworld.com/article/2028293/liquid-cooling-vs-traditional-cooling-what-you-need-to-know.html

    http://computer.howstuffworks.com/liquid-cooled-pc.htm

    http://www.tested.com/tech/pcs/454619-cooling-your-new-pc-water-cooling-options-explained/

    http://www.anandtech.com/show/7738/closed-loop-aio-liquid-coolers

    http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cooling/2013/03/06/cpu-coolers-new-benchmarks/2

    http://us.hardware.info/reviews/4363/20-liquid-cooling-sets-group-test-better-than-air

    An there is allot more, but I don't feel like getting into it.

    As I said before, if your cooler works why change it...

    Now fun people (not the OP) bitch away... I feel it coming.
  6. I've never felt water cooling was worth it, just in a practical sense. With the inexpensive closed-loop systems, you only get a difference of a couple degrees over the better air coolers, at the expense of more complexity and failure points.

    Will a high-end or custom loop water cooler beat air? Absolutely. But then you've spent hundreds of dollars - at that point, it would be much cheaper (and easier) to just buy a faster CPU and overclock it on air, rather than use water to overclock the crap out of the one you have.

    Yes, if you're already at the very top end of CPUs, then you hit a wall with that strategy - but then again, there is almost nothing that requires more than a high-end CPU (overclocked on air) can deliver. At that point you are doing it just to do it.

    Don't take that the wrong way - there is nothing wrong with doing water cooling because it's interesting, or because you want to challenge yourself, or because it just looks cool. Those are all valid reasons, and I suspect the same reasons many of us got into building PCs in the first place. Just know that as far as return on investment for the time and money you put into it, I'd put water cooling as a pretty poor payoff.
  7. capt_taco said:
    I've never felt water cooling was worth it, just in a practical sense. With the inexpensive closed-loop systems, you only get a difference of a couple degrees over the better air coolers, at the expense of more complexity and failure points.

    Will a high-end or custom loop water cooler beat air? Absolutely. But then you've spent hundreds of dollars - at that point, it would be much cheaper (and easier) to just buy a faster CPU and overclock it on air, rather than use water to overclock the crap out of the one you have.

    Yes, if you're already at the very top end of CPUs, then you hit a wall with that strategy - but then again, there is almost nothing that requires more than a high-end CPU (overclocked on air) can deliver. At that point you are doing it just to do it.

    Don't take that the wrong way - there is nothing wrong with doing water cooling because it's interesting, or because you want to challenge yourself, or because it just looks cool. Those are all valid reasons, and I suspect the same reasons many of us got into building PCs in the first place. Just know that as far as return on investment for the time and money you put into it, I'd put water cooling as a pretty poor payoff.



    I could not agree with you more Sir...

    I believe you hit the nail on the head and I think the same thing. Air is cheaper for the $$$ per cooling, but a custom loop looks way cooler and it is a challenge to get it right.

    I think there will be people bitching one way or the other and it really comes down to how much someone wants to spend.

    Currently I have 2 PC's on air with 1 being a Corsair V8 GTS $99, and the other with ZALMAN CNPS9900ALED $44.99 and a couple more PC's on liquid.

    I think air is great, and should be used 80% of the time, but I just think it is funny how people will bash liquid and not really know.

    Cheers to you sir...
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