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17 July 2014 09:58:05

I have a gaming pc about 5-6 months old and my games lag terrible. Any game i run doesn't perform well. Some games run better on my 2 year old laptop then my desktop. When i run, the CPU barely gets used. About 20%-30%.

Specs

GTX 780
16 RAM
i7 3.5hz

Please help me out so i don't have to sell it.

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17 July 2014 10:00:38

what temps are you getting?
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17 July 2014 10:08:58

Could very well be thermal throttling. State your cpu and gpu temperatures as Danbuscus25 suggested, possibly under both idle and gaming load conditions.
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17 July 2014 19:37:28

How do i do this ?
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17 July 2014 20:38:39

There are various softwares to scan for temperatures. I suggest CoreTemp for CPU and Gpu-z for the GPU.

There are plenty out there, really, but I feel those two are the easiest to use/install (they should both come with either standalone or install versions, so you don't necessarily need to install them)
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17 July 2014 22:49:16

looks like i get 100F-150F in game and none in game
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18 July 2014 06:48:16

You stated in-game both of times ;)  not to mention you stated none in the latter case.
Provided you meant you can't get no temperature, that's not possible unless the sensor's broken or the hardware isn't compatible (with CoreTemp and GPU-Z that would be RARE). Can you please check again?

Also, what's that temperature about? Cpu or gpu? 150F should be around 65C, so that's not too hot under gaming load.
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18 July 2014 21:48:43

I told you. When im not in game its usually 100F and when im in game it's 100F to 150F
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18 July 2014 22:03:37

Temps are quite normal...
Might sound silly, but are you sure you connected your monitor to your gpu port? If you connected it to the motherboard port, it'll use the integrated gpu offered by your cpu model, which will most surely get you bad performance on anything not on lowest details.
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18 July 2014 22:25:21

That might be true. Im using hdmi on my tv, does that do anything ?
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19 July 2014 12:43:49

It depends whether that hdmi cable goes from your TV to your motherboard's port or not. Check the back of your pc; if the hdmi cable is connected to the upper part of your pc, then it's most probably using the integrated card.
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19 July 2014 20:08:44

I tried all ports but only 1 works and im not sure if it's the graphics card port.
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20 July 2014 09:23:30

Let's make things easier then ;) 

Check the back of your PC and look for the USB ports; there should be a lot more ports on that panel in different forms/formats. The HDMI cable is usually put close to those USB ports or to a VGA port and comes with a protective plastic plug most of the times.

If your HDMI cable is connected close to that spot, it's most definetly using the motherboard's GPU port, and is thus using the integrated one that came with your CPU.
The "discrete" GPU ports are usually on the bottom part of your PC's back.
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20 July 2014 23:45:46

Vynavill said:
Let's make things easier then ;) 

Check the back of your PC and look for the USB ports; there should be a lot more ports on that panel in different forms/formats. The HDMI cable is usually put close to those USB ports or to a VGA port and comes with a protective plastic plug most of the times.

If your HDMI cable is connected close to that spot, it's most definetly using the motherboard's GPU port, and is thus using the integrated one that came with your CPU.
The "discrete" GPU ports are usually on the bottom part of your PC's back.

I just checked and the HDMI is in my graphics card port, but still no change.
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21 July 2014 14:17:41

Are you using any software to control clocks on your gpu? (i.e. MSI Afterburner, i suppose the Nvidia experience control panel also has these settings)

If you ever fiddled with anything of the above, be sure to bring back everything to default settings.

Also, please do try a clean driver reinstall. Google for Display Driver Uninstaller and follow the given instructions.
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28 September 2014 23:00:42

i tried most of these but still nothing. Please help.
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29 September 2014 07:30:42

Ok, that's quite the late answer, but better late than never :p 

Anyways, could you please state your PSU info? Manufacturer, specific model and wattage are needed.
e.g. My PSU is an Antec (manufacturer) HCG-750M (model) 750W (wattage).
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29 September 2014 17:58:05

Vynavill said:
Ok, that's quite the late answer, but better late than never :p 

Anyways, could you please state your PSU info? Manufacturer, specific model and wattage are needed.
e.g. My PSU is an Antec (manufacturer) HCG-750M (model) 750W (wattage).


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Thanks!
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29 September 2014 18:11:00

Ok, it isn't thermal throttling, the PSU is fine, everything is at stock clocks and drivers have been cleanly reinstalled, yet it isn't fixed...
At this point the only thing I may think is for the issue to be somewhere else. Let's start by the most common.

Can you try running memtest64 with all of your RAM sticks? Run a full test with each stick singularly, meaning that each stick should be tested as the only one present in the system. Do it when you have a bit of free time, as it'll take a while.

If what I said is unclear, post back, I'll try to answer as soon as I can.
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29 September 2014 19:34:37

Vynavill said:
Ok, it isn't thermal throttling, the PSU is fine, everything is at stock clocks and drivers have been cleanly reinstalled, yet it isn't fixed...
At this point the only thing I may think is for the issue to be somewhere else. Let's start by the most common.

Can you try running memtest64 with all of your RAM sticks? Run a full test with each stick singularly, meaning that each stick should be tested as the only one present in the system. Do it when you have a bit of free time, as it'll take a while.

If what I said is unclear, post back, I'll try to answer as soon as I can.


How do i make sure i have every driver set up cleanly and latest version?

Where do i find memtest64 and how do i test 1 by 1?
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29 September 2014 20:32:38

Refer to this post (thought you tried it, since you said you tried most of those things...). The last part related to Display Driver Uninstaller.

Memtest is downloadable from PassMark software, while Display Driver Uninstaller is downloadable from Guru3D; both tools will require you to read and follow instructions CLEARLY AND TO THE LETTER, especially for DDU.
Failing to follow the given instructions can (very rarely and only if things are done utterly wrong) damage your hardware. I hold no responsibility, should any sort of damage strike you (hardware malfunction, loss of data, etc...). IF, however, you follow instructions correctly, everything will go pretty much smooth without no one getting hurt.

In any case, my bad for the 64; i meant memtest86, sorry about that :p  Got a lot on my mind lately.
As per testing sticks 1 by 1, you're going to do that "physically", meaning that each test has to be done while only 1 stick is present into the system. Once you've downloaded memtest and followed the instructions to install it and use it, it'll mainly go like this:
1) Unplug every cable from your computer and wait 10-15 minutes (capacitors need to power off completely).
2) Open your PC case's side cover. (Keep it at hand and on the groung, touch it every once in a while to discharge any static current you may have and thus avoid damaging your components)
3) Remove all of your RAM sticks but one
4) Close your PC case's side cover.
5) Plug everything back and boot memtest.
6) Run memtest

Repeat the same procedure for all sticks 1 by 1. This will ensure that, should any significant error happen, you will know for sure which stick is actually faulty.
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29 September 2014 23:00:52

Vynavill said:
Refer to this post (thought you tried it, since you said you tried most of those things...). The last part related to Display Driver Uninstaller.

Memtest is downloadable from PassMark software, while Display Driver Uninstaller is downloadable from Guru3D; both tools will require you to read and follow instructions CLEARLY AND TO THE LETTER, especially for DDU.
Failing to follow the given instructions can (very rarely and only if things are done utterly wrong) damage your hardware. I hold no responsibility, should any sort of damage strike you (hardware malfunction, loss of data, etc...). IF, however, you follow instructions correctly, everything will go pretty much smooth without no one getting hurt.

In any case, my bad for the 64; i meant memtest86, sorry about that :p  Got a lot on my mind lately.
As per testing sticks 1 by 1, you're going to do that "physically", meaning that each test has to be done while only 1 stick is present into the system. Once you've downloaded memtest and followed the instructions to install it and use it, it'll mainly go like this:
1) Unplug every cable from your computer and wait 10-15 minutes (capacitors need to power off completely).
2) Open your PC case's side cover. (Keep it at hand and on the groung, touch it every once in a while to discharge any static current you may have and thus avoid damaging your components)
3) Remove all of your RAM sticks but one
4) Close your PC case's side cover.
5) Plug everything back and boot memtest.
6) Run memtest

Repeat the same procedure for all sticks 1 by 1. This will ensure that, should any significant error happen, you will know for sure which stick is actually faulty.


What drivers should i reinstall and can't memtest identify automatically which 1 is bad without taking them out?
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30 September 2014 00:42:17

Try with one or two versions before latest, and for memtest, although it should do what you say by now (I haven't used it in a while), it's still a safer procedure to test them 1 by 1, as it brings WAY more reliable results than testing them all at once.
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30 September 2014 00:45:09

Vynavill said:
Try with one or two versions before latest, and for memtest, although it should do what you say by now (I haven't used it in a while), it's still a safer procedure to test them 1 by 1, as it brings WAY more reliable results than testing them all at once.


What about drivers ?
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30 September 2014 06:37:23

kennykyle said:
Vynavill said:
Try with one or two versions before latest, and for memtest, although it should do what you say by now (I haven't used it in a while), it's still a safer procedure to test them 1 by 1, as it brings WAY more reliable results than testing them all at once.


What about drivers ?


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2 October 2014 06:54:24

Vynavill said:
kennykyle said:
Vynavill said:
Try with one or two versions before latest, and for memtest, although it should do what you say by now (I haven't used it in a while), it's still a safer procedure to test them 1 by 1, as it brings WAY more reliable results than testing them all at once.


What about drivers ?




I put the gpu clocks to default and it shows this

I used the DDU and reinstalled the nvidia driver and i think it didn't quite work, but i noticed a little boost. I tried planetside 2 on medium and it gave 20-30 FPS but should be 60 at least.

Im not sure if i can do the ram sticks, let's put it as last resort. Is there anything else i can do ?
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2 October 2014 09:44:02

Well, in all honesty I'm out of ideas. You might try getting the latest drivers again, but I doubt it'll do anything. The only weird thing I see there is the gpu temperature reading (20 Celsius degrees? Either it's water-cooled or you're living in a freezer, there's no way a normal air-cooled gpu keeps that temp...).

Try with other games and see if it's just planetside or if it's the same for all of them.
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2 October 2014 12:13:39

it also depends on the game u r playing.
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2 October 2014 12:33:05

Aneesh Reddy Adla said:
it also depends on the game u r playing.

For getting 20°C and assuming it's reading the value correctly, he's obviously idling at the moment. It's still TOO cold for a GPU though, unless the rig is set into a pretty cold room (either kept that way or due to where he lives) or unless it's very, VERY well water-cooled.

EDIT:
Wait a minute, something feels wrong...
All those folders on your desktop are kinda pointing a huge finger towards software piracy. And also, Is that actually your computer? I see Teamviewer's little pop-in window in the bottom right corner...
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2 October 2014 22:20:12

Vynavill said:
Well, in all honesty I'm out of ideas. You might try getting the latest drivers again, but I doubt it'll do anything. The only weird thing I see there is the gpu temperature reading (20 Celsius degrees? Either it's water-cooled or you're living in a freezer, there's no way a normal air-cooled gpu keeps that temp...).

Try with other games and see if it's just planetside or if it's the same for all of them.


Vynavill said:
Aneesh Reddy Adla said:
it also depends on the game u r playing.

For getting 20°C and assuming it's reading the value correctly, he's obviously idling at the moment. It's still TOO cold for a GPU though, unless the rig is set into a pretty cold room (either kept that way or due to where he lives) or unless it's very, VERY well water-cooled.

EDIT:
Wait a minute, something feels wrong...
All those folders on your desktop are kinda pointing a huge finger towards software piracy. And also, Is that actually your computer? I see Teamviewer's little pop-in window in the bottom right corner...


The case has 5 fans and 3 inside and it's sitting on hard food floor which is a little bit cold, so i think it's ok? It doesn't have water cooling. is 20C a bad temperature or good?

The normal folders with game names are my shadow play videos, that way it's easier for me to organize etc. Also i used teamviewer from my laptop to check if everything is default and take a screenshot easier.
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3 October 2014 00:26:26

Oh, okay. Sorry for being suspicious :p 
In any case, it shouldn't be the issue, but as for everything in life you need balance. For hardware, it's usually "the cooler it is the better", but that doesn't mean freezing-cool...

In any case, do try to see if it's just planetside having these issues, or if other games have those as well. AFAIK, that game's slightly on the broken side...
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3 October 2014 00:48:27

Vynavill said:
Oh, okay. Sorry for being suspicious :p 
In any case, it shouldn't be the issue, but as for everything in life you need balance. For hardware, it's usually "the cooler it is the better", but that doesn't mean freezing-cool...

In any case, do try to see if it's just planetside having these issues, or if other games have those as well. AFAIK, that game's slightly on the broken side...


Ok, ill try.

About the clocks for gpu. They are at 0, maybe i should increase it?
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3 October 2014 07:17:11

Those zeroes are offsets, not main clocks, meaning that they add a value over your stock ones. They're essentially overclock sliders.

Keep them at 0 and try other games. If it's just planetside, you've fixed the issue, and you might thus try to increase those values a little (don't exceed, take small steps, test and watch temperatures)
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3 October 2014 08:07:30

Vynavill said:
Those zeroes are offsets, not main clocks, meaning that they add a value over your stock ones. They're essentially overclock sliders.

Keep them at 0 and try other games. If it's just planetside, you've fixed the issue, and you might thus try to increase those values a little (don't exceed, take small steps, test and watch temperatures)


Dude. I think i just fixed everything. Wow what a stupid solution. So here's what i have done.

After your latest post i tried battlefield 4 through geforce experience. But 1 second! Geforce says that the graphics card can take this game to MAXIMUM SETTINGS. So i was like wtf. It can't be my gpu. So i run battlefield 4 at MEDIUM SETTINGS and i had 30-50 FPS. So i rage quit and sat down to think a little. If gpu says that it can run battlefield 4 on ultra settings then there's no way it can be the gpu. So i remembered about the ram sticks you mentioned and i googled if there's another way to check memory sticks without them to be taken out and i found an application that is preinstalled on windows 7 and above, called mdsched.exe or Windows Memory Diagnostic tool. So i ran that and had 0 errors and i was wtf again. Then there was 1 last component that i needed to check, CPU. I googled on how to check my CPU and i found this https://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?Dwnld... and ran it. And guess what, i got this


So i was like wtaf (what the actual f***) Then i searched "intel processor diagnostic tool fail" and got this http://www.overclock.net/t/1485990/failing-the-intel-pr...

After i followed those instructions and restarted the computer, everything works like a charm! Battlefield 4 on high settings give 150+ FPS and planetside 2 on medium settings give 100+ FPS.

The solution was so damn obvious that i now hate myself for not thinking of it.

I would like to thank you for all of your help and being so patient with me. You're awesome!

Thanks everyone!
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3 October 2014 12:07:20

Seriously....power saving bogging things down? That's a first for me...
Unless you purposefully set maximum clock at a low percentage, that is...

Glad you solved but...never would have guessed, as it actually shouldn't force things down, but rather keep them at that level if they're unused, especially on a desktop.
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3 October 2014 19:34:48

Vynavill said:
Seriously....power saving bogging things down? That's a first for me...
Unless you purposefully set maximum clock at a low percentage, that is...

Glad you solved but...never would have guessed, as it actually shouldn't force things down, but rather keep them at that level if they're unused, especially on a desktop.


In my BIOS i think it's turned on for it to configure automatically
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3 October 2014 20:58:51

Well, happy playing the right way I guess. :D 

I did help on troubleshooting, but I didn't actually solve the issue. I took the liberty of assigning you the best answer by removing it from myself due to that.
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3 October 2014 22:01:16

Vynavill said:
Well, happy playing the right way I guess. :D 

I did help on troubleshooting, but I didn't actually solve the issue. I took the liberty of assigning you the best answer by removing it from myself due to that.


Hehe thanks
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