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Xeon 1230v3 @ 3.7GHz or i5 4670k @ ~4.3GHz

2 threads in one day. I'm setting records for myself.

I've been debating between these 2 CPUs for a while. I'd almost settled on a 4670K but took a step back.

Primary usage will be gaming, currently paired with a 7870 (will be upgraded to a 770/780 later this year). Mild video rendering / encoding with handbrake, occasional recording/streaming which the 4670K would be able to handle.

My question therefore is, 4 threads @ 4.3GHz (mild achievable overclock) OR 8 threads @ 3.7GHz for these tasks? I understand that the Xeon won't bottleneck any single card since it provides almost identical performance to a stock 4770, but would the extra 700MHz be noticeable in single-threaded games?

Having a hard time deciding here. Any input would be appreciated, cheers.
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  1. Performance will be very similar between the two. If you get a good 4670k then you might be able to get a good overclock, but its luck of the draw. However, games are starting to get more multithreaded, which gives the xeon/i7 an advantage with hyperthreading.

    To be honest, both will be "useable" in gaming for similar amount of time.
  2. ModernWarfare said:
    Performance will be very similar between the two. If you get a good 4670k then you might be able to get a good overclock, but its luck of the draw. However, games are starting to get more multithreaded, which gives the xeon/i7 an advantage with hyperthreading.

    To be honest, both will be "useable" in gaming for similar amount of time.


    I was thinking the same thing. With the 4670K I'd be betting on getting a good overclocker. For the Xeon I'd be betting on multithreading becoming the norm.
  3. The 4670k is pretty much the best gaming processor. i recommend it over a xeon. even tho it has more threads. an i5 would be better also can overclock much better.
  4. Both would be great for gaming/video rendering. I have a a 1230v3 and with a gtx 770 and it crushes every game I play even at 1440p. As for video rendering the Xeon absolutely destroys my old AMD apu. Using Sony Vegas I rendered out a 3 minute video at 1080 60 fps in about 12 minutes(using the CPU only)
  5. Bot CPUs are on Haswell architecture, so that makes things easier. So lets do a bit of calculation:

    The Xeon 1230v3 is actually at 3.3 with turbo to 3.7. Unless you get a motherboard with MultiCore Enchancement, is it going to stay at 3.4 with sufficient cooling. A Hyper threaded "core" is around 1/3 of a real core. I tested this with my 2700k and with Hypethreading ON I render 30-35% faster. So 4 real cores +4*1/3 = 5.32. 3,4 GHz * 5.32 is an imaginary "factor" of 18.08.

    The I5 at 4.3 is 4 real cores with an imaginary factor of 17.2.

    The Xeon with MultiCore Enchancement is 3.7 * 5.32 = imaginary factor of 19.68.

    In a best case scenario - game scaling with threads and MHz equally - the Xeon wins with an imaginary factor of 2.48. The difference is 12%.

    But this is a best case scenario. If even one of those Xeon threads is not 100% loaded - it becomes equal to the I5. If 2 threads are not 100% loaded - the I5 wins.

    I would lean towards the I5. So you don't have to shell out 200+ bucks for a motherboard with MultiCore Enchancement. Since without the MCE, the I5 OC is a tad slower than the Xeon, there is no reason to consider the Xeon with all the IFs and ELSEs. Cheers.

    Also, since it has been a while with the Haswell launch, the batches of the I5K/I7K chips have gotten better. I saw a video recently with 10 CPUs 4770k and 3 of them walled at 4.3/4.4 while the remaining 7 went to 4.7/4.8 and 1 to 4.9 but unstable at certain loads. 4.3 should be achievable pretty easy, even when the worst of the chips go to there.
  6. The fact is, an overclocked 4670k would be "better" in gaming overall, but the real question is, would it be THAT much better, or necessary? I'm 100% confident that it is neither necessary nor worth all of the extra costs that come with being able to overclock. Ten out of ten times I would get the 1230v3 and a B85 or H87 motherboard.
  7. Prices are so skewed over here. If they weren't close, I probably wouldn't be asking.

    PCPartPicker part list: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/129Wg
    Price breakdown by merchant: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/129Wg/by_merchant/
    Benchmarks: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/129Wg/benchmarks/

    CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£166.99 @ Amazon UK)
    Motherboard: MSI Z87-G45 Gaming ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£89.99 @ Novatech)
    Total: £256.98
    (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
    (Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-06 20:36 BST+0100)


    PCPartPicker part list: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/1Webc
    Price breakdown by merchant: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/1Webc/by_merchant/
    Benchmarks: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/1Webc/benchmarks/

    CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1230 V3 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor (£179.99 @ Aria PC)
    Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Pro3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£68.24 @ Scan.co.uk)
    Total: £248.23
    (Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
    (Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-04-06 20:36 BST+0100)

    There's my dilemma. The Z board in the Xeon build is priced around the same as the H boards, hence why I selected it.

    So far it seems the 4670K would be the better choice, if only slightly.
  8. But you'd still need to add at least a £25 212 Evo to that 4670k build.


    There is actually no scenario that would have me getting the 4670k. If I couldn't afford the 1230v3, I would get the i5 4570. But that's just me.
  9. PCPartPicker part list: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/1Z81e
    CPU: Intel Xeon E3-1230 V3 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor (£179.99 @ Aria PC)
    Motherboard: ASRock H87 Pro4 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£54.37 @ Amazon UK)
    Total: £234.36


    PCPartPicker part list: http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/12beR
    CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor (£166.99 @ Amazon UK)
    CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler (£25.45 @ Scan.co.uk)
    Motherboard: MSI Z87-G45 Gaming ATX LGA1150 Motherboard (£89.99 @ Novatech)
    Total: £282.43
  10. CTurbo said:
    But you'd still need to add at least a £25 212 Evo to that 4670k build.


    There is actually no scenario that would have me getting the 4670k. If I couldn't afford the 1230v3, I would get the i5 4570. But that's just me.


    Already have a 212 EVO. :)
  11. CTurbo said:
    JOOK did you see this thread? It may help you decide.


    http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/id-2089986/replacing-3570k-xeon-1230.html


    I've seen leeb posting around praising the Xeon, it was actually what made me step back and ask this question.
  12. I've used the Xeon twice and it's a beast. I have not had the opportunity to compare an overclocked i5 to it directly though. I do know that when overclocking is not necessary, it makes very little difference.
  13. The more I look into it, the more I'm pushed towards the Xeon.

    http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Intel/Core_i5_3570K_and_i7_3770K_Comparison/8.html
    http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2013/06/12/intel-core-i5-4670k-haswell-cpu-review/5

    Overclocking doesn't seem to provide too much of a performance boost in most cases. I also doubt I'll reach past 4.3/4.4. I'd be interested to see any counter-evidence if anyone has any.
  14. Overclocking is only effective when the cpu is bottlenecking a video card. That's no going to happen even with an i5 4570.
  15. I'm leaning more towards the Xeon.

    Any idea of any motherboards with Multi-Core Enhancement in the BIOS? 3.7GHz at full load would be nice. I'll probably go with the Z87 Pro3, I believe it has MCE.
  16. The 1230v3 can turbo to 3.5ghz on all four cores, two cores up to 3.6ghz, and one single core up to 3.7ghz. I thought MCE would just set it at 3.5ghz full time. Will it still allow one core to speed up to 3.7 and two to 3.6 or will they be locked at 3.5 all the time? Or does it set all four cores to 3.7ghz full time?
  17. CTurbo said:
    The 1230v3 can turbo to 3.5ghz on all four cores, two cores up to 3.6ghz, and one single core up to 3.7ghz. I thought MCE would just set it at 3.5ghz full time. Will it still allow one core to speed up to 3.7 and two to 3.6 or will they be locked at 3.5 all the time? Or does it set all four cores to 3.7ghz full time?


    I believe it sets all threads to their top multiplier. So 3.7.

    Have a look at this, see if you understand it differently than I did: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6214/
  18. If I remember correctly we have already had occasion to speak about this more specifically, so I will not repeat everything, but make it as simply as possible for you to make the right choice.
    let's put it this way;
    As I said in another topic the i5 4670K begins to be better in single thread performance when overclocked. (if you use the pc just to play games or for the most part, is a good choice, if not the best)
    The i7/Xeon will be better in all other cases (they are hyperthreaded and have more L3 cache per core) with a significant boost in multithreading apps/games.
    Another consideration to do is that, the market is moving in the direction of multiple cores (6/8) so the i7/Xeon with 8 threads is a bit more futureproof. (more time passes, and more the i7/Xeon becomes a better choice).
    this is my opinion without going into details, the final choice is up to you.

    p.s.
    stock speed 3.3GHz.
    you can set 3.5GHz on all cores or activate the turbo boost and get 37x/37x/36x/35x.
    with MCE and the right bios (intel has somehow restricted this feature for the non-K series on the latest bios update) 3.7GHz on all cores.
  19. Yes Comgen. That thread inspired me to create this one as it raised my dilemma again. I had a similar thread to this 3 months ago.

    The general usage will be gaming, and often older ones that are single-threaded. I'm not really interested in many of the AAA titles being released. Which leans me toward the 4670K. Also there's literally 1 Xeon 1230v3 in stock at a decent price here in the UK in online stores, which may be around for another 24 hours maximum.

    Interesting point on MCE. I wonder why they've decided to disable it, possibly too many RMA's?

    I guess my question is whether the extra 700MHz will give me any kind of decent gain. It's hard to tell in many benchmarks.

    Still undecided. :crazy:
  20. Best answer
    So, this is from my experience running tests.
    My 4770k at stock (a xeon with the gpu) scores 750 on cinebench

    If I disable hyperthreading (essentially an i5) I get a score of 540 (this is slightly higher than what the i5 would do due to 33% more cache.

    No ht and at 4.5ghz I get a score of 664. Equivalent to what an i5 would score at the same speed.

    750 vs 664

    I would go with the xeon. It is more powerful, you will be using it within warranty, and it will stay more current for longer

    Take a look at this http://www.bf4blog.com/battlefield-4-retail-gpu-cpu-benchmarks/
    When the cpu is the bottleneck the 4770 (essentially a xeon) preforms 20% better than the i5. You would have to overclock the i5 to around 4.5ghz to get the same performance. Which would likely not happen with a 212 or if you get a bad chip. Even if you could overclock it to 4.5ghz you would be stressing the cpu and shortening its lifespan probably in half or in thirds

    Xeon wins
  21. MFBLO96 said:
    So, this is from my experience running tests.
    My 4770k at stock (a xeon with the gpu) scores 750 on cinebench

    If I disable hyperthreading (essentially an i5) I get a score of 540 (this is slightly higher than what the i5 would do due to 33% more cache.

    No ht and at 4.5ghz I get a score of 664. Equivalent to what an i5 would score at the same speed.

    750 vs 664

    I would go with the xeon. It is more powerful, you will be using it within warranty, and it will stay more current for longer

    Take a look at this http://www.bf4blog.com/battlefield-4-retail-gpu-cpu-benchmarks/
    When the cpu is the bottleneck the 4770 (essentially a xeon) preforms 20% better than the i5. You would have to overclock the i5 to around 4.5ghz to get the same performance. Which would likely not happen with a 212 or if you get a bad chip. Even if you could overclock it to 4.5ghz you would be stressing the cpu and shortening its lifespan probably in half or in thirds

    Xeon wins



    Thanks for sharing! Very interesting.

    CTurbo made almost the same point, neither CPU is likely to be a bottleneck. But in situations where it could be and when multithreading is taken into account, the Xeon will outperform the i5 unless heavily clocked.
  22. JOOK-D said:
    Interesting point on MCE. I wonder why they've decided to disable it, possibly too many RMA's?

    Nààà, it was more like a "restriction" I guess, kinda like the ability of some H87 chipset to OC the K series as high as a Z87 with stability and everything. I think it's a commercial/marketing thing or whatsoever.

    JOOK-D said:
    The general usage will be gaming, and often older ones that are single-threaded. I'm not really interested in many of the AAA titles being released. Which leans me toward the 4670K. Also there's literally 1 Xeon 1230v3 in stock at a decent price here in the UK in online stores, which may be around for another 24 hours maximum.

    you will not have such problems with older games, maybe you were accustomed to AMD :P
    here we are talking about intel vs intel, single thread performance is strong on both.
    Go for it;)

    Edit; I see you have chosen a Z87 board, my speech was more related to the H87.
    In this case, everything should be okay.
  23. The more I look into it, I find it harder to find any motherboards with MCE. That's a kicker.

    It seems ASUS are more likely to have it implemented on their boards than even ASRock. If I could find a decent board with MCE then I would order the CPU in the next couple of hours, I daren't wait any longer as they take a while to come back into stock too. :D
  24. ASRock Z87 Pro3 the MCE has been implemented from the bios version 1.60 if I remember correctly or later 2.00;)
    I can help you with ASRock boards, a little less with ASUS.

    p.s.
    if you have problems (regard to the "restriction" that I mentioned before) just put an older version of bios, and it will works.
    the new bios versions are sometimes not so important, may be updates of OC ability, some fixes (this expecially on the first released, not your case) or new menu. (as you can see not a big deal).
  25. The MSI G45 Gaming has MCE, I have my Xeon 1230v3 stable at 3.7Ghz
  26. I have a msi g45 also and I like it
  27. StormyIV said:
    Both would be great for gaming/video rendering. I have a a 1230v3 and with a gtx 770 and it crushes every game I play even at 1440p. As for video rendering the Xeon absolutely destroys my old AMD apu. Using Sony Vegas I rendered out a 3 minute video at 1080 60 fps in about 12 minutes(using the CPU only)


    I know this is a bit old, and it's not my question, but I'm struggling between choosing the i5 4670k, and the Xeon 1230v3.......... You'd recommend the Xeon I'm guessing? Even thought it's designed for servers, it's good for gaming as well?
  28. Quote:
    I know this is a bit old, and it's not my question, but I'm struggling between choosing the i5 4670k, and the Xeon 1230v3.......... You'd recommend the Xeon I'm guessing? Even thought it's designed for servers, it's good for gaming as well?



    The Xeon is nothing more than a rebadged i7 4770 with no igpu and it would perform almost identically(-100/200mhz) to the 4770 so it would be great for gaming.
  29. MrCanEHdian said:
    StormyIV said:
    Both would be great for gaming/video rendering. I have a a 1230v3 and with a gtx 770 and it crushes every game I play even at 1440p. As for video rendering the Xeon absolutely destroys my old AMD apu. Using Sony Vegas I rendered out a 3 minute video at 1080 60 fps in about 12 minutes(using the CPU only)


    I know this is a bit old, and it's not my question, but I'm struggling between choosing the i5 4670k, and the Xeon 1230v3.......... You'd recommend the Xeon I'm guessing? Even thought it's designed for servers, it's good for gaming as well?


    As CTurbo said above. Also I'm perfectly fine with you posting on my question. :P

    Just to let you know what I finally decided. The new Z97 motherboards are releasing in a couple of days, and the new i5 4690k with better TIM and hopefully more overclocking headroom should release around early June.

    I've decided to go with a Maximus VII Hero and an i5 4690k. In programs that use less than let's say 6 cores it will beat out the Xeon when mildly overclocked. A harsher overclock should bring it on par when up to 8 cores are in use.

    Moreover, the Z97 boards should support Broadwell which is expected late this year / early next year, so there's always an upgrade path for me. Plus, I wanted to treat myself with shiny new hardware even though it's not the most economical choice. :lol:
  30. JOOK-D said:
    MrCanEHdian said:
    StormyIV said:
    Both would be great for gaming/video rendering. I have a a 1230v3 and with a gtx 770 and it crushes every game I play even at 1440p. As for video rendering the Xeon absolutely destroys my old AMD apu. Using Sony Vegas I rendered out a 3 minute video at 1080 60 fps in about 12 minutes(using the CPU only)


    I know this is a bit old, and it's not my question, but I'm struggling between choosing the i5 4670k, and the Xeon 1230v3.......... You'd recommend the Xeon I'm guessing? Even thought it's designed for servers, it's good for gaming as well?


    As CTurbo said above. Also I'm perfectly fine with you posting on my question. :P

    Just to let you know what I finally decided. The new Z97 motherboards are releasing in a couple of days, and the new i5 4690k with better TIM and hopefully more overclocking headroom should release around early June.

    I've decided to go with a Maximus VII Hero and an i5 4690k. In programs that use less than let's say 6 cores it will beat out the Xeon when mildly overclocked. A harsher overclock should bring it on par when up to 8 cores are in use.

    Moreover, the Z97 boards should support Broadwell which is expected late this year / early next year, so there's always an upgrade path for me. Plus, I wanted to treat myself with shiny new hardware even though it's not the most economical choice. :lol:


    Thank you for being considerate! I completely missed that one somehow. Damn........ New motherboards to consider, again, and a new CPU. I'll be playing strategy games, predominantly, RTS and TBS, notably Civ games, so whichever works best for those is what I want most haha. I'm very tempted to see how the 4690k turns out. How much was your Z97? I'm guessing pretty pricey, considering your last sentence. Thank you soo much! This has given me a lot more to consider for my end of summer build!
  31. JOOK, I hate to further complicate you decision, but did you know that there will also be a Xeon e3 refresh this year too that should also work in the new 9 series motherboards? 1231v3, 1241v3, 1246v3, 1271v3,... etc

    They all will feature a 100-200mhz speed bump over the current.
  32. Oh no! Why did you have to tell me that? :P

    Might have to go all out and get a 4790k and call it a day. :lol:
  33. MrCanEHdian said:
    JOOK-D said:
    MrCanEHdian said:
    StormyIV said:
    Both would be great for gaming/video rendering. I have a a 1230v3 and with a gtx 770 and it crushes every game I play even at 1440p. As for video rendering the Xeon absolutely destroys my old AMD apu. Using Sony Vegas I rendered out a 3 minute video at 1080 60 fps in about 12 minutes(using the CPU only)


    I know this is a bit old, and it's not my question, but I'm struggling between choosing the i5 4670k, and the Xeon 1230v3.......... You'd recommend the Xeon I'm guessing? Even thought it's designed for servers, it's good for gaming as well?


    As CTurbo said above. Also I'm perfectly fine with you posting on my question. :P

    Just to let you know what I finally decided. The new Z97 motherboards are releasing in a couple of days, and the new i5 4690k with better TIM and hopefully more overclocking headroom should release around early June.

    I've decided to go with a Maximus VII Hero and an i5 4690k. In programs that use less than let's say 6 cores it will beat out the Xeon when mildly overclocked. A harsher overclock should bring it on par when up to 8 cores are in use.

    Moreover, the Z97 boards should support Broadwell which is expected late this year / early next year, so there's always an upgrade path for me. Plus, I wanted to treat myself with shiny new hardware even though it's not the most economical choice. :lol:


    Thank you for being considerate! I completely missed that one somehow. Damn........ New motherboards to consider, again, and a new CPU. I'll be playing strategy games, predominantly, RTS and TBS, notably Civ games, so whichever works best for those is what I want most haha. I'm very tempted to see how the 4690k turns out. How much was your Z97? I'm guessing pretty pricey, considering your last sentence. Thank you soo much! This has given me a lot more to consider for my end of summer build!


    The Z97's are a few days away, I'm expecting to spend around £130 for a Maximus VII Hero. Not sure how much that is in USD but you can search Z97 on Newegg and find some pricing.

    To be honest, either would handle what you're looking to do just fine. Overclocking doesn't often bring about a huge gain compared to what you pay for it, but I just want a shiny new toy that justifies a shiny new motherboard (I wouldn't bother with Z series motherboards if I wasn't overclocking). Now CTurbo's thrown a wrench into my plans with announcements of new Xeons! Arghhhh.
  34. Hahahahahahahahaha it is all part of my evil plan! :evil:
  35. CTurbo said:
    JOOK, I hate to further complicate you decision, but did you know that there will also be a Xeon e3 refresh this year too that should also work in the new 9 series motherboards? 1231v3, 1241v3, 1246v3, 1271v3,... etc

    They all will feature a 100-200mhz speed bump over the current.


    Lmao! I literally JUST found out about the Z97s coming out......... Back to the drawing board, and the classroom, I have a whole lot more to learn and worry about. At the same time, this is also pretty exciting. Will Z97s work with older Haswell models like the i5 4670k and the Xeon 1230vs? Will the Z97s be compatible with the Broadwell family of CPUs?

    The current Maximus is $229.99 CAD, so if the Z97 is around that price when I buy my build around August, I may up my price point to above $200 for it (I was hoping to keep the MOBO below $200 CAD/USD but I hear soooo much good about the Maximus VI Hero. So the price is about $254.99 CAD, so depending on prices in August, I may go with a less expensive one. The MSI Z97 Gaming-5 is $179.99, if it's good, I might go for that one.
  36. On a side note, Intel Corp's stock might be an interesting investment opportunity with all this news.
  37. MrCanEHdian said:
    CTurbo said:
    JOOK, I hate to further complicate you decision, but did you know that there will also be a Xeon e3 refresh this year too that should also work in the new 9 series motherboards? 1231v3, 1241v3, 1246v3, 1271v3,... etc

    They all will feature a 100-200mhz speed bump over the current.


    Lmao! I literally JUST found out about the Z97s coming out......... Back to the drawing board, and the classroom, I have a whole lot more to learn and worry about. At the same time, this is also pretty exciting. Will Z97s work with older Haswell models like the i5 4670k and the Xeon 1230vs? Will the Z97s be compatible with the Broadwell family of CPUs?

    The current Maximus is $229.99 CAD, so if the Z97 is around that price when I buy my build around August, I may up my price point to above $200 for it (I was hoping to keep the MOBO below $200 CAD/USD but I hear soooo much good about the Maximus VI Hero. So the price is about $254.99 CAD, so depending on prices in August, I may go with a less expensive one. The MSI Z97 Gaming-5 is $179.99, if it's good, I might go for that one.


    I believe Z97 should support current Haswell chips (with a BIOS update), the Haswell refresh, and Broadwell (I've read that Broadwell will be exclusive to the 9 series).

    So now it's between a Xeon1230v(4?) [cheaper motherboard] or an i5 4690k [Maximus VII Hero]. This decision isn't getting easier.
  38. I do not know whether it makes sense to go with the Haswell-Refresh.
    First of all, everything will depend on the price to build the whole platform, which for sure will be a disadvantage compared to the performance gains against the "normal" Haswell platform (practically zero gains, ~100MHz make no difference) so there is no important news.

    With the refresh 4690K to virtually go near the performance of a 8 threads you will still need to overclock it @ ~4.9GHz at least on H2O for extended daily use (while the locked i7/Xeon remains "seated and relaxed" on the factory settings).

    The improved TIM will be a nice addon to better transfer the heat (cause not all people want to risk and are going to delid their processors). I guess temps will drop down about ~10°C in the best case scenario, however, to gain GHz, that will always depend also from your batch, Vcore and all other settings (nowadays with a lucky i5 4670K you can reach ~4.9GHz with about ~1.350V but it often takes between 1.4~1.5V to be truly stable).

    Honestly if you really want to choose a K version, I would still go with an i5 4670K or better yet an i7 4770K.
    Otherwise for the locked version a Xeon 1230 v3 or I would wait for the Xeon E3 refresh = i7 performance at the same price of an i5, again if intel does not raise the prices of the whole thing.

    We will see when these CPUs will hit the market, but seriously, not worth it (unless you come from an old platform almost obsolete) this is just marketing/business, for a more substantial upgrade, we have to wait Skylake in my opinion.

    P.s. I will only buy a Haswell-Refresh if there will be an unlocked version of the Pentium/i3 a CHEAP way to bring a lot of fun :D
  39. I'm quite set on going with a Z97 in any case, as long as it's priced closely to Z87 (which it seems to be).

    My math adds up to around the same as yours Comgen, assuming that a hyperthread equates to about ~30% of an actual core you'd need to be overclocked to 4.8GHz on a Haswell i5 to match it. With that comes a few pros and cons for the i5:

    + Higher performance when less than, let's say, 6 threads are in use.
    + Higher single-threaded performance.

    - Higher cost (motherboard, cooling, energy usage).
    - Lower component lifetime
    - Silicon lottery reliance

    Needless to say, you've once again swayed my opinion in favour of the Xeon. Goddammit. It just doesn't seem practical to go for the i5 4690k now. :spamafote:

    I guess I'll have a look into when these new Xeons are intended to be released.
  40. We'll see what Intel will do with the prices (if the price difference will be minimal and you do not currently have PC components to reuse, then buying Haswell-Refresh would have a little more sense, but still...)

    JOOK-D said:

    Needless to say, you've once again swayed my opinion in favour of the Xeon. Goddammit. It just doesn't seem practical to go for the i5 4690k now. :spamafote:
    someone said that there is an evil plan in progress :D

    You've waited until now, a rush at this point would not be profitable, let's wait intel brings them all out first on the market, then after a while you choose.
  41. JOOK-D said:
    MrCanEHdian said:
    CTurbo said:
    JOOK, I hate to further complicate you decision, but did you know that there will also be a Xeon e3 refresh this year too that should also work in the new 9 series motherboards? 1231v3, 1241v3, 1246v3, 1271v3,... etc

    They all will feature a 100-200mhz speed bump over the current.


    Lmao! I literally JUST found out about the Z97s coming out......... Back to the drawing board, and the classroom, I have a whole lot more to learn and worry about. At the same time, this is also pretty exciting. Will Z97s work with older Haswell models like the i5 4670k and the Xeon 1230vs? Will the Z97s be compatible with the Broadwell family of CPUs?

    The current Maximus is $229.99 CAD, so if the Z97 is around that price when I buy my build around August, I may up my price point to above $200 for it (I was hoping to keep the MOBO below $200 CAD/USD but I hear soooo much good about the Maximus VI Hero. So the price is about $254.99 CAD, so depending on prices in August, I may go with a less expensive one. The MSI Z97 Gaming-5 is $179.99, if it's good, I might go for that one.


    I believe Z97 should support current Haswell chips (with a BIOS update), the Haswell refresh, and Broadwell (I've read that Broadwell will be exclusive to the 9 series).

    So now it's between a Xeon1230v(4?) [cheaper motherboard] or an i5 4690k [Maximus VII Hero]. This decision isn't getting easier.


    I really hope so, it would be nice. The 9 in Z97 means 9xxx series? So you haven't actually made a decision on your build either?
  42. Comgen said:
    I do not know whether it makes sense to go with the Haswell-E.
    First of all, everything will depend on the price to build the whole platform, which for sure will be a disadvantage compared to the performance gains against the "normal" Haswell platform (practically zero gains, ~100MHz make no difference) so there is no important news.

    With the refresh 4690K to virtually go near the performance of a 8 threads you will still need to overclock it @ ~4.9GHz at least on H2O for extended daily use (while the locked i7/Xeon remains "seated and relaxed" on the factory settings).

    The improved TIM will be a nice addon to better transfer the heat (cause not all people want to risk and are going to delid their processors). I guess temps will drop down about ~10°C in the best case scenario, however, to gain GHz, that will always depend also from your batch, Vcore and all other settings (nowadays with a lucky i5 4670K you can reach ~4.9GHz with about ~1.350V but it often takes between 1.4~1.5V to be truly stable).

    Honestly if you really want to choose a K version, I would still go with an i5 4670K or better yet an i7 4770K.
    Otherwise for the locked version a Xeon 1230 v3 or I would wait for the Xeon E3 refresh = i7 performance at the same price of an i5, again if intel does not raise the prices of the whole thing.

    We will see when these CPUs will hit the market, but seriously, not worth it (unless you come from an old platform almost obsolete) this is just marketing/business, for a more substantial upgrade, we have to wait Skylake in my opinion.

    P.s. I will only buy a Haswell-E if there will be an unlocked version of the Pentium/i3 a CHEAP way to bring a lot of fun :D


    Damn! That is a lot to consider...... 4.9 Ghz is a lot, the luck of the draw thing though is discouraging.... Maybe locked CPUs are best for me, for now. I would like the option to overclock in the future though, I'd also like a Mobo that can be upgrade in a few years.

    I'm only "waiting" because I can't actually buy until August anyway, but trying to learn and gather as much information as I can, to determine my needs and make the best decision. (I have never built a PC or owned a gaming PC).
  43. Comgen said:
    We'll see what Intel will do with the prices (if the price difference will be minimal and you do not currently have PC components to reuse, then buying Haswell-E would have a little more sense, but still...)

    JOOK-D said:

    Needless to say, you've once again swayed my opinion in favour of the Xeon. Goddammit. It just doesn't seem practical to go for the i5 4690k now. :spamafote:
    someone said that there is an evil plan in progress :D

    You've waited until now, a rush at this point would not be profitable, let's wait intel brings them all out first on the market, then after a while you choose.


    I have nothing to reuse and must purchase everything. Thank you very much for the feedback/help!
  44. MrCanEHdian said:
    JOOK-D said:
    MrCanEHdian said:
    CTurbo said:
    JOOK, I hate to further complicate you decision, but did you know that there will also be a Xeon e3 refresh this year too that should also work in the new 9 series motherboards? 1231v3, 1241v3, 1246v3, 1271v3,... etc

    They all will feature a 100-200mhz speed bump over the current.


    Lmao! I literally JUST found out about the Z97s coming out......... Back to the drawing board, and the classroom, I have a whole lot more to learn and worry about. At the same time, this is also pretty exciting. Will Z97s work with older Haswell models like the i5 4670k and the Xeon 1230vs? Will the Z97s be compatible with the Broadwell family of CPUs?

    The current Maximus is $229.99 CAD, so if the Z97 is around that price when I buy my build around August, I may up my price point to above $200 for it (I was hoping to keep the MOBO below $200 CAD/USD but I hear soooo much good about the Maximus VI Hero. So the price is about $254.99 CAD, so depending on prices in August, I may go with a less expensive one. The MSI Z97 Gaming-5 is $179.99, if it's good, I might go for that one.


    I believe Z97 should support current Haswell chips (with a BIOS update), the Haswell refresh, and Broadwell (I've read that Broadwell will be exclusive to the 9 series).

    So now it's between a Xeon1230v(4?) [cheaper motherboard] or an i5 4690k [Maximus VII Hero]. This decision isn't getting easier.


    I really hope so, it would be nice. The 9 in Z97 means 9xxx series? So you haven't actually made a decision on your build either?


    Well I was certain on my build, before those two ^^^ came along *cough* Comgen *cough* CTurbo.

    I'm set on getting a Z97 board. The dilemma is between a Xeon or an i5 4690k, and I'm once again leaning towards the Xeon since a 4.8GHz just isn't practical. In any case a stock Xeon won't bottleneck anything so the overclock generally won't be that helpful on the i5.

    This decision has been 5 months in the making, just have to wait a little longer. :)

    If you're ordering in August there should we a wide array of Z97 boards available, and the fabled new Xeons might have been released by then too. I think I can only wait a month or so til I order since I'll definitely be needing a workhorse by the time Summer rolls around (work etc.).
  45. I guarantee you ZERO noticeable performance difference between 4.5ghz and 4.8ghz in any situation outside straight benchmarks. I just don't think you should stress that much over a few hundred mhz of overclocking. I would trade overclocking for hyperthreading in a heartbeat, but you knew that already. :)


    The new Xeons coming soon are nothing more than Haswell refresh with a small clock speed bump. They will still be v3. The v4s will be Broadwell and are still around a year away. From what I'm reading, pretty much 100% of Broadwell's focus is on reduced power consumption so overall performance will be equal to Haswell. Of course Intel can afford to do this do to lack of competition.
  46. Well the Z97 motherboards released. And the price for the VII Hero isn't pretty - £165, around 2.5x what I would spend on a Z87 Pro3 (I believe a Z97 Pro3 is being released soon though!).

    However, this offer is a little tempting... http://www.scan.co.uk/products/msi-z97-gaming-7-intel-z97-s-1150-ddr3-sata-iii-6gb-s-raid-pcie-30-(x16)-dp-hdmi-atx

    Do you have any idea of the release date on those Xeons? If it's just another month like the Devil's Canyon chips then I can wait.
  47. JOOK-D said:
    MrCanEHdian said:
    JOOK-D said:
    MrCanEHdian said:
    CTurbo said:
    JOOK, I hate to further complicate you decision, but did you know that there will also be a Xeon e3 refresh this year too that should also work in the new 9 series motherboards? 1231v3, 1241v3, 1246v3, 1271v3,... etc

    They all will feature a 100-200mhz speed bump over the current.


    Lmao! I literally JUST found out about the Z97s coming out......... Back to the drawing board, and the classroom, I have a whole lot more to learn and worry about. At the same time, this is also pretty exciting. Will Z97s work with older Haswell models like the i5 4670k and the Xeon 1230vs? Will the Z97s be compatible with the Broadwell family of CPUs?

    The current Maximus is $229.99 CAD, so if the Z97 is around that price when I buy my build around August, I may up my price point to above $200 for it (I was hoping to keep the MOBO below $200 CAD/USD but I hear soooo much good about the Maximus VI Hero. So the price is about $254.99 CAD, so depending on prices in August, I may go with a less expensive one. The MSI Z97 Gaming-5 is $179.99, if it's good, I might go for that one.


    I believe Z97 should support current Haswell chips (with a BIOS update), the Haswell refresh, and Broadwell (I've read that Broadwell will be exclusive to the 9 series).

    So now it's between a Xeon1230v(4?) [cheaper motherboard] or an i5 4690k [Maximus VII Hero]. This decision isn't getting easier.


    I really hope so, it would be nice. The 9 in Z97 means 9xxx series? So you haven't actually made a decision on your build either?


    Well I was certain on my build, before those two ^^^ came along *cough* Comgen *cough* CTurbo.

    I'm set on getting a Z97 board. The dilemma is between a Xeon or an i5 4690k, and I'm once again leaning towards the Xeon since a 4.8GHz just isn't practical. In any case a stock Xeon won't bottleneck anything so the overclock generally won't be that helpful on the i5.

    This decision has been 5 months in the making, just have to wait a little longer. :)

    If you're ordering in August there should we a wide array of Z97 boards available, and the fabled new Xeons might have been released by then too. I think I can only wait a month or so til I order since I'll definitely be needing a workhorse by the time Summer rolls around (work etc.).


    Yes, same here, I was set on a build, and now I'm a bit unsure. I still haven't decided with GPU is best for me though. Why do you say 4.8Ghz isn't practical? What do you plan on doing? Gaming? If so, what kinds of games?

    Yes, I will wait and continue reading about the new Z97s until I'm absolutely ready. I'm very cheap, but also very conscious on what I'm spending money on. I refuse to purchase cheap, low quality stuff, but I also refuse to "overpay" and I feel like the GTX 780 is overpaying for me, the 760 or 770 are more "realistic" for me at the moment. I've set a budget of no more than $2,000 and no less than $1,000 (in Canadian dollars). $2,000 gets me an i5 4670k and a GTX 780, for like $1,950.

    Ahh if you have professional needs, then I guess waiting is out of the question :/.
  48. CTurbo said:
    I guarantee you ZERO noticeable performance difference between 4.5ghz and 4.8ghz in any situation outside straight benchmarks. I just don't think you should stress that much over a few hundred mhz of overclocking. I would trade overclocking for hyperthreading in a heartbeat, but you knew that already. :)


    The new Xeons coming soon are nothing more than Haswell refresh with a small clock speed bump. They will still be v3. The v4s will be Broadwell and are still around a year away. From what I'm reading, pretty much 100% of Broadwell's focus is on reduced power consumption so overall performance will be equal to Haswell. Of course Intel can afford to do this do to lack of competition.


    Is there no truth or little truth to the idea that the i5 has superior single core performance? Or is that superiority negligible in real world scenarios? Lack of competition is frightening. As a capitalist, I would argue that competition is exceptionally important. For that reason alone, I'm slightly tempted to go for AMD to support the "competition", but ultimately, my goal is to meet my needs/wants.
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