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a b ) Power supply
17 September 2013 23:06:25

The Legacy tier list has been phased out now. Please use this thread as the discussion thread now. The new tier list maybe locked out in mid-may as a result. There will be talks with a couple of official moderators to see if the new list will be locked out from discussion.

Thank you all for supporting the list thus far. It does take some long, stringent research to get the list just right. And thank you all for suggesting the changes and updates, which has evolved the tier list entierely, making it look as modern as possible and giving people more reasons to buy a better unit for their safety and reliability as well.

Please click here for the new list.

Dottorrent.

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a b ) Power supply
18 September 2013 00:28:23

Would it be possible to remove discontinued products? For instance Enermax Galaxy...I'm sure there's some others since the base list is 5 years old. I don't know, might be helpful if someone wants to use this as a reference for new builders if it's all current.
a b ) Power supply
18 September 2013 00:43:22

ACTechy said:
Would it be possible to remove discontinued products? For instance Enermax Galaxy...I'm sure there's some others since the base list is 5 years old. I don't know, might be helpful if someone wants to use this as a reference for new builders if it's all current.


Let me look up which PSUs are discontinued and will be updated shortly.
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a b ) Power supply
7 October 2013 08:43:34

Just as a suggestion, it would be nicer to not have so many spaces in between. But its good as it is.
a b ) Power supply
7 October 2013 12:28:17

Deemo13 said:
Just as a suggestion, it would be nicer to not have so many spaces in between. But its good as it is.


Done. The spaces took up a lot of space. Shouldn't be a lengthy read now.
7 October 2013 12:34:53

what about corsair VS series??
a b ) Power supply
7 October 2013 12:40:41

vishu_ka said:
what about corsair VS series??


Added.
a b ) Power supply
7 October 2013 17:40:55

Looks much better now.
a c 374 ) Power supply
3 November 2013 08:11:59

Dottorrent isn't this is a straight copy/paste of the EggXpert page here?

http://www.eggxpert.com/forums/thread/323050.aspx

How exactly are you determining what units go in what tiers if they are not on the list? The EgXpert guys use reviews of voltage regulation and ripple and noise. Also while the list is decent it's not perfect.

For instance the Corsair CX series is tier 3 due to cheap capacitors. The CXM uses quality Japanese capacitors and should be tier 2 or 2b.


With a change in format and a lot of time and effort into research I could see a list like this ending up as a sticky. We do have a few power supply guides in the sticky but they are dated. As a direct copy/paste I'm not sure we can use this though. Not with the Tom's name on it.

Let me get some other opinions on what should be done here. I'll be back in touch probably via PM.

Edit: Just saw the date. Is this something you want to try to keep current? If so PM me. For now I am going to remove the Tom's Hardware name from the title.
a b ) Power supply
10 November 2013 18:42:52

About the Corsair VS series - it's definitely not on par with the CX series. I think it's one or half a tier below the CX series.

There is only one review of Corsair VS series:
Corsair VS450 Review

The things to note in this review are:
1) Tested in a colder environment. Higher temperatures(40-50 deg C) might negatively impact efficiency,ripple,noise,voltage regulation

2) Tested at 230V. U get higher efficiency at higher voltages
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/fullimage.php?image=1058...

3) I think the reviewer didn't have precise equipment as others do at the time of review.

4)Will never get 80 Plus certification even if it is great because 80 Plus certification labs operate at 115V and Corsair VS series at 220-240V


Also in Tier 1, is that Seasonic S12 II Bronze series? Because there is a separate S12 II series(discontinued)
a b ) Power supply
10 November 2013 22:25:33

chimera201 said:
About the Corsair VS series - it's definitely not on par with the CX series. I think it's one or half a tier below the CX series.

There is only one review of Corsair VS series:
Corsair VS450 Review

The things to note in this review are:
1) Tested in a colder environment. Higher temperatures(40-50 deg C) might negatively impact efficiency,ripple,noise,voltage regulation

2) Tested at 230V. U get higher efficiency at higher voltages
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/fullimage.php?image=1058...

3) I think the reviewer didn't have precise equipment as others do at the time of review.

4)Will never get 80 Plus certification even if it is great because 80 Plus certification labs operate at 115V and Corsair VS series at 220-240V


Also in Tier 1, is that Seasonic S12 II Bronze series? Because there is a separate S12 II series(discontinued)


1 - The VS series is based on the same platform as the CX series and the review seems fine. Low ripple and the same capacitors but a few components were sacrificed to meet pricing requirements. Also the VS Series is for developing countries.

2 - Yes. That is the new bronze series.

a c 1669 ) Power supply
10 November 2013 23:57:39

anort3 said:
Dottorrent isn't this is a straight copy/paste of the EggXpert page here?

http://www.eggxpert.com/forums/thread/323050.aspx

How exactly are you determining what units go in what tiers if they are not on the list? The EgXpert guys use reviews of voltage regulation and ripple and noise. Also while the list is decent it's not perfect.

For instance the Corsair CX series is tier 3 due to cheap capacitors. The CXM uses quality Japanese capacitors and should be tier 2 or 2b.


With a change in format and a lot of time and effort into research I could see a list like this ending up as a sticky. We do have a few power supply guides in the sticky but they are dated. As a direct copy/paste I'm not sure we can use this though. Not with the Tom's name on it.

Let me get some other opinions on what should be done here. I'll be back in touch probably via PM.

Edit: Just saw the date. Is this something you want to try to keep current? If so PM me. For now I am going to remove the Tom's Hardware name from the title.


Where are you getting this information from?

From the reviews and tear downs of the CX Series modular and non-modular models, I've read, they both have the same quality of components. A Japanese 85°C rated primary capacitor and cheap Taiwanese 105°C rated CapXon secondary capacitors.
a c 5951 ) Power supply
11 November 2013 00:00:52

I looked into the CX series info again and Koo888 is right the capacitors in the M series are no better than the other CX versions.
a b ) Power supply
11 November 2013 00:11:25

SR-71 Blackbird said:
I looked into the CX series info again and Koo888 is right the capacitors in the M series are no better than the other CX versions.


Moved back to Tier 3. I was right the first time.
a c 374 ) Power supply
11 November 2013 00:15:28

Interesting. I am not sure where I saw that but I have been under the impression the CX-M was slightly updated and had fixed the Capxon secondary. I'm not the only one who has been posting that either so it may just be a case of bad info getting out and spreading. I certainly will not post it again if it's not true.

Ko888 I don't know if you have the time or the motivation but I can't think of a better person to head up putting together an official Tom's PSU tier type list. If that's something you would be interested in let one of the mods know. I would help in any capacity I could and I bet SR-71 Blackbird would be glad to jump in.

Dottorrent I have not forgotten you or this list. I have been busy and had some family stuff going on for the last week and a half or so but you would certainly be involved in getting any official list going if you wanted to be.
a b ) Power supply
11 November 2013 00:17:18

anort3 said:
Interesting. I am not sure where I saw that but I have been under the impression the CX-M was slightly updated and had fixed the Capxon secondary. I'm not the only one who has been posting that either so it may just be a case of bad info getting out and spreading. I certainly will not post it again if it's not true.

Ko888 I don't know if you have the time or the motivation but I can't think of a better person to head up putting together an official Tom's PSU tier type list. If that's something you would be interested in let one of the mods know. I would help in any capacity I could and I bet SR-71 Blackbird would be glad to jump in.


Hey, I'm always looking for people to help improve this list. Always open to suggestions and improvements.
a b ) Power supply
11 November 2013 10:45:04

dottorrent said:
chimera201 said:
About the Corsair VS series - it's definitely not on par with the CX series. I think it's one or half a tier below the CX series.

There is only one review of Corsair VS series:
Corsair VS450 Review

The things to note in this review are:
1) Tested in a colder environment. Higher temperatures(40-50 deg C) might negatively impact efficiency,ripple,noise,voltage regulation

2) Tested at 230V. U get higher efficiency at higher voltages
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/fullimage.php?image=1058...

3) I think the reviewer didn't have precise equipment as others do at the time of review.

4)Will never get 80 Plus certification even if it is great because 80 Plus certification labs operate at 115V and Corsair VS series at 220-240V


Also in Tier 1, is that Seasonic S12 II Bronze series? Because there is a separate S12 II series(discontinued)


1 - The VS series is based on the same platform as the CX series and the review seems fine. Low ripple and the same capacitors but a few components were sacrificed to meet pricing requirements. Also the VS Series is for developing countries.

2 - Yes. That is the new bronze series.



You might want to add the word 'Bronze' to the Seasonic S12 II, M12 II series. Actually seasonic has a lot of series of PSUs starting with S12/M12. U might also want to write them on separate lines if a user uses Ctrl+F to search for S12 II in this big list.

I can understand that u people are not interested in Corsair VS series because it is not available in your markets. Good for you.

http://forums.hexus.net/pc-hardware-components/272357-c...

There are 2 versions of the Corsair VS450
1) VS450 (CP-9020009) that uses JunFu and Fuhjyyu capacitors and is discontinued
2) VS450 (75-001835 / CP-9020049) that has Aishi capacitors and MOST secondary side capacitors are CapXon

The CX series uses Samxon and Teapo capacitors and maybe 1 or 2 CapXon (I'm not sure)
The CXM uses Panasonic and CapXon capacitors

The other difference i wanted to show is this:
Corsair HX750W Power Supply Review (tested at 230V)
Corsair HX750W Power Supply Review (tested at 115V)
Same PSU model, massively different efficiency readings.
The point is the people who will use Corsair VS series will use the CX series also at 230V and the CX series will have a far greater efficiency at 230V.

You certainly don't have to stick with the Eggxpert Tiers. You can make 10 tiers if u want. Hell I would make a Tier 6 just for IBall,Odyssey,VIP PSUs. Most of my countrymen asks whether this gpu will work on these PSUs
a b ) Power supply
11 November 2013 12:49:10

chimera201 said:
dottorrent said:
chimera201 said:
About the Corsair VS series - it's definitely not on par with the CX series. I think it's one or half a tier below the CX series.

There is only one review of Corsair VS series:
Corsair VS450 Review

The things to note in this review are:
1) Tested in a colder environment. Higher temperatures(40-50 deg C) might negatively impact efficiency,ripple,noise,voltage regulation

2) Tested at 230V. U get higher efficiency at higher voltages
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/fullimage.php?image=1058...

3) I think the reviewer didn't have precise equipment as others do at the time of review.

4)Will never get 80 Plus certification even if it is great because 80 Plus certification labs operate at 115V and Corsair VS series at 220-240V


Also in Tier 1, is that Seasonic S12 II Bronze series? Because there is a separate S12 II series(discontinued)


1 - The VS series is based on the same platform as the CX series and the review seems fine. Low ripple and the same capacitors but a few components were sacrificed to meet pricing requirements. Also the VS Series is for developing countries.

2 - Yes. That is the new bronze series.



You might want to add the word 'Bronze' to the Seasonic S12 II, M12 II series. Actually seasonic has a lot of series of PSUs starting with S12/M12. U might also want to write them on separate lines if a user uses Ctrl+F to search for S12 II in this big list.

I can understand that u people are not interested in Corsair VS series because it is not available in your markets. Good for you.

http://forums.hexus.net/pc-hardware-components/272357-c...

There are 2 versions of the Corsair VS450
1) VS450 (CP-9020009) that uses JunFu and Fuhjyyu capacitors and is discontinued
2) VS450 (75-001835 / CP-9020049) that has Aishi capacitors and MOST secondary side capacitors are CapXon

The CX series uses Samxon and Teapo capacitors and maybe 1 or 2 CapXon (I'm not sure)
The CXM uses Panasonic and CapXon capacitors

The other difference i wanted to show is this:
Corsair HX750W Power Supply Review (tested at 230V)
Corsair HX750W Power Supply Review (tested at 115V)
Same PSU model, massively different efficiency readings.
The point is the people who will use Corsair VS series will use the CX series also at 230V and the CX series will have a far greater efficiency at 230V.

You certainly don't have to stick with the Eggxpert Tiers. You can make 10 tiers if u want. Hell I would make a Tier 6 just for IBall,Odyssey,VIP PSUs. Most of my countrymen asks whether this gpu will work on these PSUs


I put in M / S12 MK1 in Tier 2 when I started this tier list.
24 November 2013 08:13:27

*UPDATE* Right after posting this, saw that the SSR-650RM is on sale at Newegg for $69.99 after MIR. Getting that one.

I'm currently shopping for a PSU.

This is my planned build:
http://pcpartpicker.com/user/IndustryStandard/saved/2Lf...

I'm looking at this
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seasonic-power-supply-ss75...

or this
http://pcpartpicker.com/part/seasonic-power-supply-ssr6...

I may SLI or CF in the future (not yet completely decided on GPU). Which PSU would you guys recommend?

*UPDATE*: I have Amazon Prime, since that affects the price slightly.
11 December 2013 14:19:55

Hi guys. Whats your opinion abou new Thermaltake Smart SE series?
a b ) Power supply
27 February 2014 21:01:17

the corsair GS series in your tier 2 class A . is the 700 watt version (which is not mentioned) is out of the line or missed mistakenly ....
1 April 2014 05:57:32

dottorrent said:
Hello.

This is an updated PSU tier list last seen on the Newegg EggXpert forums seen here - http://www.eggxpert.com/forums/thread/323050.aspx



It's nice to know were being copied, anytime you have a suggestion to our list were more than happy to her from you. :) 
a b ) Power supply
1 April 2014 09:33:59

GmsCool said:
dottorrent said:
Hello.

This is an updated PSU tier list last seen on the Newegg EggXpert forums seen here - http://www.eggxpert.com/forums/thread/323050.aspx



It's nice to know were being copied, anytime you have a suggestion to our list were more than happy to her from you. :) 


PSUs that doesn't accept the 115V input voltage range. e.g. Corsair VS series, CoolerMaster Thunder series.

a c 502 ) Power supply
1 April 2014 16:31:43

Hi - It's a good project, IF; The reviews upon which the tier decisions are made are in fact by thorough and competent review sites,
and not say sites that Gabriel Torres refers to in his article, why 99% of PSU reviews are wrong:
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/410
21 April 2014 10:40:43

Each brand you should write bold for, it would look cleaner :) 

E.g.

This is now:

Corsair-
CX Series
HX Series
BS Series:3

You can make it this:

Corsair:
CX Series
HX Series
BS Series:3
a b ) Power supply
23 April 2014 11:53:41

Hi guys.
Apologies on my absence on the tier list, I have been incredibly busy. The tier list will be updated ASAP.
a b ) Power supply
23 April 2014 12:53:24

dottorrent said:
Hi guys.
Apologies on my absence on the tier list, I have been incredibly busy. The tier list will be updated ASAP.


I am still not sure about the RM series from corsair . . are they good ? . RM series is listed in tier 2 class A . but they are not that good as reviewed . . I am also looking to buy the 650w version . . what's your thoughts ?
a b ) Power supply
23 April 2014 13:02:23

STACKS ON DECK said:
dottorrent said:
Hi guys.
Apologies on my absence on the tier list, I have been incredibly busy. The tier list will be updated ASAP.


I am still not sure about the RM series from corsair . . are they good ? . RM series is listed in tier 2 class A . but they are not that good as reviewed . . I am also looking to buy the 650w version . . what's your thoughts ?


Most RM PSUs are excellent choices. The 650w Model will be moved to Tier 3, until further notice. It's a decent choice, as it is silent, got a good amount of cables and is built to a high standard from Corsair. I would stress though, that the Seasonic G-650 is another £5 - £10 ($8 - $15) more expensive, but is of higher quality. That would be my pick.
a b ) Power supply
23 April 2014 20:59:40

dottorrent said:
STACKS ON DECK said:
dottorrent said:
Hi guys.
Apologies on my absence on the tier list, I have been incredibly busy. The tier list will be updated ASAP.


I am still not sure about the RM series from corsair . . are they good ? . RM series is listed in tier 2 class A . but they are not that good as reviewed . . I am also looking to buy the 650w version . . what's your thoughts ?


Most RM PSUs are excellent choices. The 650w Model will be moved to Tier 3, until further notice. It's a decent choice, as it is silent, got a good amount of cables and is built to a high standard from Corsair. I would stress though, that the Seasonic G-650 is another £5 - £10 ($8 - $15) more expensive, but is of higher quality. That would be my pick.


my friend has RM750 and it has real temperature issues . . it has shutdown 3 to 4 times on high temp like almost 40degree . . that's why i haven't bought this yet . . so the rm650 is in tier 3 and the other models are still in tier 2 . . any explaination . . . ?

a c 1669 ) Power supply
23 April 2014 21:14:29

Quote:
Tier one - The highest quality and most stable PSUs available on the hardware market today. Highly recommended for any situation -


This statement isn't accurate because of the discontinued/obsolete models listed.

Antec Signature series <===== Discontinued

Enermax Revolution82 <===== Not listed anywhere in Enermax's current or legacy product lists

Sapphire Pure series <===== Sapphire is out of the PSU business

Seventeam ST series (greater than 600 watts, SSI, V2.91) <===== There's no supporting evidence that Seventeam should even be in Tier 1. What is an ST series? Every Seventeam PSU model number begins with the ST- prefix accross all (i.e. at least 36) of their series.

SilverStone Decathlon (DA) and Olympia (OP) Series <===== both series are Discontinued

SilverStone Zeus ZF and ZM1200M <===== Discontinued

Ultra X3 greater than 1000 Watts <===== Discontinued - Uses All Teapo capacitors. 7 year old technology doesn't qualify for Tier One when compared to the electrical performance of currently available Tier One PSUs.


Super Flower Leadex Platinum series should not be in Tier two class A. It should be in Tier One. This is supported by unbiased expert reviews.

Super Flower Leadex Gold should also be in Tier One and is supported by unbiased expert reviews.
a c 1669 ) Power supply
23 April 2014 21:29:00

STACKS ON DECK said:
my friend has RM750 and it has real temperature issues . . it has shutdown 3 to 4 times on high temp like almost 40degree . . that's why i haven't bought this yet . . so the rm650 is in tier 3 and the other models are still in tier 2 . . any explaination . . . ?

Have your friend check the PSU's serial number. If the first four digits (i.e. lot code) begin with 1341xxxxx or higher then they should have addressed the PSU fan operation issue.

Serial numbers with a lot code earlier/lower than 1341xxxxx will have the PSU fan operation issue and should be RMA'ed with Corsair.
a b ) Power supply
23 April 2014 21:32:21

ko888 said:
STACKS ON DECK said:
my friend has RM750 and it has real temperature issues . . it has shutdown 3 to 4 times on high temp like almost 40degree . . that's why i haven't bought this yet . . so the rm650 is in tier 3 and the other models are still in tier 2 . . any explaination . . . ?

Have your friend check the PSU's serial number. If the first four digits (i.e. lot code) begin with 1341xxxxx or higher then they should have addressed the PSU fan operation issue.

Serial numbers with a lot code earlier/lower than 1341xxxxx will have the PSU fan operation issue and should be RMA'ed with Corsair.


as he said that it is of code higher than 1341xxxxx . 13423527 ... thats what he told me . . i haven't checked it myself
a c 1669 ) Power supply
23 April 2014 21:48:25

STACKS ON DECK said:
. . . so the rm650 is in tier 3 and the other models are still in tier 2 . . any explaination . . . ?

Two of the +5V wires aren't working on the 20-pin portion of the (20+4)-pin ATX cable because of the missing jumper/bridge wire on the modular interface circuit board. This means that this PSU shouldn't be used on a motherboard that only has a 20-pin ATX power connector.

Tier two class A
RM series (650w model uses cheaper sec. capacitors) <===== That's just wrong. The Teapo and Capxon aluminum electrolytic capacitors on the RM650's secondary side are considered to be of higher quality than the LTEC's used in the RM750 and RM850. LTECs are considered to be near bottom rung.

a b ) Power supply
23 April 2014 22:20:38

ko888 said:
STACKS ON DECK said:
. . . so the rm650 is in tier 3 and the other models are still in tier 2 . . any explaination . . . ?

Two of the +5V wires aren't working on the 20-pin portion of the (20+4)-pin ATX cable because of the missing jumper/bridge wire on the modular interface circuit board. This means that this PSU shouldn't be used on a motherboard that only has a 20-pin ATX power connector.

Tier two class A
RM series (650w model uses cheaper sec. capacitors) <===== That's just wrong. The Teapo and Capxon aluminum electrolytic capacitors on the RM650's secondary side are considered to be of higher quality than the LTEC's used in the RM750 and RM850. LTECs are considered to be near bottom rung.



I have been busy over the past season, so please bare with me. Plus, most of the reviews I have read of the 650w model do mark it down for no Japanese capacitors on the secondary side. Please bare in mind it has taken me some time to get back to the list. Like I said, I will update the list as time comes.
a c 1669 ) Power supply
24 April 2014 22:12:03

EVGA SuperNOVA G2 and P2 should be in Tier One and is supported by unbiased expert reviews.
a b ) Power supply
25 April 2014 00:08:19

ko888 said:
EVGA SuperNOVA G2 and P2 should be in Tier One and is supported by unbiased expert reviews.


Noted.
26 April 2014 16:00:26

Wish newegg would figure out what the hell there doing and give the tier page again.

BTW upgraded my power supply to this list to Antec HCP 1000w and couldn't be happier thanks for the list dottorrent, i looked everywhere for neweggs list but then ended up going on your list here. Love this power supply.
a b ) Power supply
26 April 2014 17:35:08

ldewitt said:
Wish newegg would figure out what the hell there doing and give the tier page again.

BTW upgraded my power supply to this list to Antec HCP 1000w and couldn't be happier thanks for the list dottorrent, i looked everywhere for neweggs list but then ended up going on your list here. Love this power supply.


The EggXpert forums have been replaced with the community forums and the tier list has seem to have disappeared. I made the list, just in case something like this happens.
a c 1669 ) Power supply
26 April 2014 18:10:04

dottorrent said:
ldewitt said:
Wish newegg would figure out what the hell there doing and give the tier page again.

BTW upgraded my power supply to this list to Antec HCP 1000w and couldn't be happier thanks for the list dottorrent, i looked everywhere for neweggs list but then ended up going on your list here. Love this power supply.


The EggXpert forums have been replaced with the community forums and the tier list has seem to have disappeared. I made the list, just in case something like this happens.


The list is here: http://community.newegg.com/eggxpert/computer_hardware/...

It still has the obsolete discontinued models in there.
3 May 2014 12:24:01

Can't wait to see what Tier the new GXII series will be :D  Someone hurry up and review it :D 
a c 82 ) Power supply
6 May 2014 16:18:42

OE! How did I miss this thread previously.

By the way I am finding my source but I believe the Cooler master Silent M2s should be on tier 2 or T2b.
a c 1669 ) Power supply
6 May 2014 17:13:40

Novuake said:
OE! How did I miss this thread previously.

By the way I am finding my source but I believe the Cooler master Silent M2s should be on tier 2 or T2b.


If you look at the scope shot from Tom's Hardware's own review of the Cooler Master Silent Pro M2 520W you can see that the ripple and noise are outside of the allowed ATX specifications:

ATX allowed maximum DC Output Noise/Ripple:
+12V: 120 mVpp
+5V: 50 mVpp
+3.3V: 50 mVpp
a c 82 ) Power supply
6 May 2014 17:20:09

Ah thanks! I remember looking at a review for the 620W specifically. All seemed well with that one. However could be mistaken.
6 May 2014 21:05:43

Can you add the Gigabyte series of PSUs? if not all of them, at least add the Odin Pro and Odin GT to the list. I think, based on their reviews, their place is between "Tier two Class B" and "Tier three".

Thanks.
a b ) Power supply
6 May 2014 22:45:20

megahmad said:
Can you add the Gigabyte series of PSUs? if not all of them, at least add the Odin Pro and Odin GT to the list. I think, based on their reviews, their place is between "Tier two Class B" and "Tier three".

Thanks.


Units reviewed which are older than 2009 are not on the list. The Gigabyte Odin pro and GT is an example of that.
6 May 2014 23:07:29

OK Thanks! but when I suggested to add some Gigabyte PSUs, I meant their line of PSUs in general, but I wasn't clear enough and I didn't know that units older than 2009 are not included in the list :) . Anyway it would be nice if maybe we can add their newer PSUs like the Sumo, PowerRock, Hercules etc... series which are all released after 2011 I believe and all of them have reviews.

BTW this is really a great list, and I refer to it everytime I get a PSU for my customers. (I work at a PC shop). Keep up the good work!
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