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Radeon HD 4200 Enhancements

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For years now, we've wished that someone would come out with an IGP capable of handling today's games at reasonable detail settings and at resolutions of at least 1280x1024, which is the lowest resolution at which I'd be happy playing.

The Radeon HD 4200 built into AMD's 785G chipset is, unfortunately, not the realization of this dream.

Don't get me wrong. The 785G is a great IGP, but it's pretty much exactly as great as the 780G before it, as the performance-oriented specifications have remained essentially identical: 40 stream processors, four texture units, and four ROPs. The 785G even runs at the same clock speed as the 780G, 500 MHz.

So what's different abut the 785G graphics processor? DirectX 10.1 support is the obvious answer. And, well, not much more as far as hardware specifications go:

AMD 78x and 79x Graphics Processors

AMD 785G AMD 780G AMD 790GX
Integrated Core RV620 RV610 RV610
DirectX/OpenGL 10.1/2.1 10.0/2.1 10.0/2.0
Shaders/TU/ROP
40/4/4
40/4/440/4/4
Graphics Clock 500 MHz 500 MHz 700 MHz

As suggested by the name 785G, this is an incremental upgrade. The DirectX 10.1 enhancements will not offer any immediate performance benefits for the end-user. DirectX 10.1 features can be enabled, but these won't likely speed up the frame rates, as we will demonstrate in our game benchmarks.

While the chipset's 785G designation reflects minor improvements, the name of the Radeon HD 4200’s GPU is quite a bit more provocative. Given its name, one might assume that the Radeon HD 4200 (785G) is superior to the Radeon HD 3300 (790GX), which is not the case when it comes to gaming. The 790GX is clocked at 700 MHz, while the 785G is clocked at 500 MHz. And with everything else being pretty much equal, the 790GX is, of course, notably faster.

The bottom line is that the AMD 790GX and Nvidia GeForce 9400 remain the fastest gaming IGPs out there. As for the good news, most 780G or 785G chipsets should be able to overclock to 790GX specifications or a little higher without cooling modifications, so the end-user can experience passable 1024x768 gaming performance with a little tweaking. This is fine for the casual gamer, but discrete graphics remains the only solution for more demanding settings.

Things might get interesting in the next generation of IGPs if AMD integrates something similar to the Radeon 4350 with its 80 shader processors into a chipset, but I suspect we might not see that for a while yet, as it'll likely require a manufacturing shrink. And when that happens, the day's games will be more demanding and the cycle of pain will continue.

Note that some 785G-based boards will have an advantage over early 780G platforms, because they seem more likely to sport SidePort memory. The cache, consisting of 128 MB of DDR3, serves as dedicated video RAM for the IGP, boosting performance slightly. While some 780G motherboards do offer SidePort memory, it's much more common on the 790GX chipset.

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Anonymous 04/08/2009 22:29
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just want to give you guys a heads up, meybe you wanna look into it:
AMD 785G Update - Multi-Channel LPCM is not Available
or at least thats what AMD says accordign to anandtech:

http://www.anandtech.com/weblog/showpost.aspx?i=629

wild9 05/08/2009 04:59
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Great article..thanks for including the GPGPU benchmarks :) Be nice to see those vs. the fastest i7 and it's respective power draw.

Fair do's to AMD. They've bounced back, and given the market some products that can compete with both Intel (CPU's) and nVidia (GPU's). Seems like it's only nVidia that has kept Intel's head above water in the GPU market..the G45 couldn't even play Blue-Ray properly, let alone produce decent frame rates even in slightly older games.

If I was in AMD's shoes right now I'd push the advantage of GPGPU processing, in addition to low-cost Athlon II/Phenom II processors. Only thing that doesn't appeal to me is the naming conventions, which confuse the user into thinking higher numbers mean more performance..that really turned me off nVidia. The 785G is alright because it suggests a slightly modified design rather than a brand new one (nice to see them squeezing everything out of it and developing even better drivers), but the integrated HD4200 being slower than HD3300? Hmm, c'mon guys..that might cheese off a few people.

Finally, the article does lead me to ask: is nVidia doing the 9400 for AM3? If not, is it down to some competition law or something? The 8200 game results look very weak..they're even on par with the Intel G45 on occasion. An nVidia 9 series IGP for the AMD platform would obviously be better.

p.s.

Quote :As for environmental concerns, Mother Earth is far better served by simply turning your PC off when it isn't being used.


I think Mother Earth is far better served by the US population, which is predicted to mushroom in a relatively short space of time..I'll settle for the lesser evil I think, and get that shiny new CPU.

LePhuronn 06/08/2009 01:23
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wild9 :
I think Mother Earth is far better served by the US population, which is predicted to mushroom in a relatively short space of time..I'll settle for the lesser evil I think, and get that shiny new CPU.



I think you've missed out the words "not" and "cloud" from your quote

shawkie 06/08/2009 22:28
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Anandtech is reporting that retail 785G motherboards typically won't actually support multi-channel LPCM. Any truth to this?

Anonymous 12/08/2009 07:47
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AMD chips still can't run standard windows Apps properly without cashing, so as far as I am concerned, Intel is a solid winner.

(every AMD I have been on has had an issue with some very basic program, ranging from Nero Burning Rom to something as simple as Microsoft Word (03/07))

Anonymous 19/10/2009 13:31
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Hey, this review is giving me ideas....

and now i'm slightly confused...

I was going to assemble an intel 5200+ Biostar g41 for a simple home use PC, but now I am seriously considering 785G. I am not really into gaming. All I want is a graphic good enough to play bluray with good onboard sound card.

Anyway, keep up the good work. This is the kind of review which a novice like me am looking at and depending upon when trying to buy a new PC. Thanks!!

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