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Optimizing Our AGP Platform: ASRock Dual939-SATA2

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For our tests, we used an ASRock 939Dual-SATA2 motherboard that supports AMD’s Socket 939 natively and Socket AM2 through a CPU upgrade daughterboard. This is a unique feature that a handful of ASRock boards offer, but the basic procedure for minimizing the CPU bottleneck in any old AGP system is the same: buy a faster CPU or overclock what you have.

We looked around locally and found a used AM2-based Athlon 64 X2 4200+ for $45. For sure, we could have worked with our existing Athlon X2 3800+, but we wanted something with a higher clock multiplier so that we wouldn’t have to push it as hard to reach our goals. Besides, the price was right and this CPU could serve our overclocking purposes nicely.

Plan on spending $100 for an AGP graphics card upgrade to kick some life into your old system, and another $50 for an overclockable CPU if your processor is an aging single-core model or an overclocking dud.

With a 2.2 GHz stock clock speed, the Athlon X2 4200+ isn't the fastest AM2 CPU our motherboard can handle, but it should overclock to 2.6 GHz or slightly beyond with a stock cooler, which roughly matches Athlon X2 5000+ specifications. We could have spent a lot more on a faster processor, like an Athlon 64 FX-62 at 2.8 GHz. But it's not really worthwhile, since we don't want to invest too much in the old system. Remember, we're overclocking to get the most out of our old hardware. It doesn’t make a lot of sense to spend enough cash to build a new one.

In our particular case, since we couldn’t find a Socket 939 candidate fast enough for our needs, we settled on an AM2-based model. Because of this, we also had to shift from DDR to DDR2 memory, since the ASRock 939Dual-SATA2 requires DDR2 on its AM2 daughterboard. This isn't typical of what most people will have to deal with, but the performance should demonstrate a best-case scenario compared to our last article. Remember, in part one, we employed a hodgepodge of memory DDR memory modules in order to hit 2GB, resulting in a lower clock. We accepted this scenario because it accurately represented the mixing and matching one might experience with an older system. After our new benchmarks are run, we'll have the opportunity to compare results. These two extremes should give us a good indication of the range of performance one can expect between a system with slower RAM versus a faster system with memory running in dual-channel mode.

Installing a CPU on a daughterboard isn't something we do every day, but the procedure was simple and it worked well enough. Kudos to ASRock for manufacturing a motherboard with literally years of longevity.

With everything running smoothly, it came time to overclock the beast. We're not looking for a extreme tweak here, but we want to achieve a nice boost that will provide meaningful benefits in our gaming tests. Additionally, our build is only valid if it won't cause overheating with the CPU running 24/7. We targeted an overclock of 2.6 GHz, which is a 400 MHz increase from the stock Athlon X2 4200+. Since the Athlon X2 5000+ runs at 2.6 GHz and has the same architecture and cache configuration as the Athlon X2 4200+, the resulting performance should closely demonstrate what an Athlon X2 5000+ would enable.

To get this speed, all we had to do was alter a few settings in the BIOS. We increased the reference clock to 237 MHz, up from the stock 200 MHz. With the Athlon X2 4200+’s multiplier of 11x, this gave us a CPU clock speed of 2,607 MHz. For stability's sake, we didn't need to add any CPU voltage, but we lowered our HyperTransport multiplier to 3x from the stock 4x, giving us a HyperTransport speed of 948 MHz after the overclock (very close to the stock 1,000 MHz). We also played with the memory speed and set it to 333 MHz in the BIOS. Since this sets the memory speed to 333 MHz at the stock FSB speed of 200 MHz, our actual memory frequency ended up as 372 MHz (744 MHz DDR). All of these settings are quite conservative, as we want to demonstrate something that an average user can achieve without difficulty.

There is one more clock speed we could tweak: frequencies on the new AGP Radeon HD 4650. Unfortunately, there’s not much to report here. The beta drivers included with the card didn't support ATI’s Overdrive feature. With the nice non-reference cooler Gigabyte included, it's a shame we weren't able to unleash the card's overclocking potential. Perhaps in the future, the AGP Radeon HD 4650 will be supported by AMD's Catalyst drivers and Overdrive.

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Anonymous 25/08/2009 10:43
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Umm... correct me if I am wrong but in some benchmarks you are seeing about 100% increase in benchmark scores for a clock speed increase of 30%. Is this not a little bit suspicious...?

And is not more likely that increasing memory bandwidth by more than 100% (with a similar or smaller latency) had a big part to play?

Surely it would have been a more thorough test to use the Socket 939 3800+.

LePhuronn 25/08/2009 12:32
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Hey if somebody can overclock my socket 478 P4 Prescott then I'm all for it - might even change the 6800 Ultra that's in there too.

ear8dmg 25/08/2009 19:26
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I have one of these Asrock boards. Started life with an 939 A64 3000+ single core, 2GB RAM and an AGP 6600GT. Now on an AM2 X2 5000+ Black Edition @ 3GHz, 4GB RAM and a PCI-E HD4850. That's some upgradability.

Favourite motherboard I've ever owned. Modders are busily trying to squeeze Phenom compatibility in the BIOS but it remains to be seen if they'll ever manage it.

Still annoyed at NVIDIA for killing off ULI's brilliant chipset R&D team.

ear8dmg 25/08/2009 20:05
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vonbosch :
Umm... correct me if I am wrong but in some benchmarks you are seeing about 100% increase in benchmark scores for a clock speed increase of 30%. Is this not a little bit suspicious...?And is not more likely that increasing memory bandwidth by more than 100% (with a similar or smaller latency) had a big part to play?Surely it would have been a more thorough test to use the Socket 939 3800+.



Good point actually. There are some huge jumps there. Something's gone awry here.

tpi2007 25/08/2009 22:28
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vonbosch :
Umm... correct me if I am wrong but in some benchmarks you are seeing about 100% increase in benchmark scores for a clock speed increase of 30%. Is this not a little bit suspicious...?And is not more likely that increasing memory bandwidth by more than 100% (with a similar or smaller latency) had a big part to play?Surely it would have been a more thorough test to use the Socket 939 3800+.




Don't forget the Ram is now DDR2, running faster and in dual channel mode. That might have helped.

qasdfdsaq 25/08/2009 23:35
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Quote :We could have spent a lot more on a faster processor, like an Athlon 64 FX-62 at 2.8 GHz.


Or you could have spent a little more on a much faster processor, like an Athlon 64 X2 6000+ at 3.1 Ghz for $75.

Costs an extra hour or two salary, saves you several hours wasting time overclocking and you get to keep your warranty.

Anonymous 26/08/2009 03:15
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Should have overclocked the 3800+. It would be a more meaningful article in respect of the previous one. Not to mention the disparity between DDR/DDR2 ram ... tsk tsk THG

The main thing this article proves is that ASRock made a nicely upgradeable motherboard

oliverstirling 26/08/2009 14:14
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I could be wrong here but like the last article dedicated to testing AGP cards World in Conflict was mentioned as one of the benchmark games and yet it's not been included in the article. Were the results so bad it wasn't worth writing up?

andybird123 26/08/2009 14:21
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so the previous article was "can you still game with AGP if you buy the highest spec AGP card still available" and this article was supposed to be "and then what happens if you overclock the processor on your old AGP system" only, to do that and replicate the results of this article you have to replace the processor, memory and motherboard...

well done for writing quite possibly the single most pointless article I've ever read on this website

coret 26/08/2009 16:35
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Quote :Or you could have spent a little more on a much faster processor, like an Athlon 64 X2 6000+ at 3.1 Ghz for $75.

Costs an extra hour or two salary, saves you several hours wasting time overclocking and you get to keep your warranty


Problem with that is that the 4200+ is practically supported out of the box ... but you'll need to find a custom bios for anything as new as the 3.1GHz 6k+ ... and if memory serves, the board had a few teething problems with the 65nm chips to begin with. Though that may have been remedied by now.

It is an awesome motherboard though. I managed to overclock a 3700+ (San Siego core) to 2.86GHz stable ... FX57 performance for £150 at the time :D

coret 26/08/2009 16:36
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Actually, I'm tempted to get my 939-Dual Sata2 out of the garage and have a play with a 3800+ now ... hmm ...

qasdfdsaq 26/08/2009 17:23
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coret :
Problem with that is that the 4200+ is practically supported out of the box ... but you'll need to find a custom bios for anything as new as the 3.1GHz 6k+ ...


Oh? Don't know about that ASRock but my 3 year old motherboard with a 2 year old standard BIOS (09/2007) handles it fine...

Anonymous 26/08/2009 17:57
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Extremely informative article about CPU-GPU matching!

Is it possible for you to create some kind of database telling us what clockspeed is required to roughly match specific GPUs? You wouldn't need to cover Netburst/K7, just Stars, Core 2, Nehalem, maybe K8. Now that would be ultimate resource in what card to buy.

ear8dmg 26/08/2009 20:24
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The Asrock 939Dual-SATA2 supports up to X2 4800+, FX60 or Opteron 185 on 939 with a standard 1.4 BIOS.

Using the AM2CPU board, it supports up to an FX62 or X2 5200+ with an official BIOS. Up to X2 6400+ were supported with a beta BIOS.

andybird123 27/08/2009 15:06
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ear8dmg :
The Asrock 939Dual-SATA2 supports up to X2 4800+, FX60 or Opteron 185 on 939 with a standard 1.4 BIOS.Using the AM2CPU board, it supports up to an FX62 or X2 5200+ with an official BIOS. Up to X2 6400+ were supported with a beta BIOS.



Old Tomshardware used to do such useful tables, but doing that kind of thing now would require more than copy and paste journalism which is all we get anymore

ear8dmg 27/08/2009 16:18
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To further clarify the last official BIOS supporting up to FX62 or X2 5200 was 2.3. The beta BIOS supporting up to X2 6400+ was 2.31.

IIRC from forum reading, 5600+, 6000+ and 6400+ would work but weren't detected correctly by 2.3. 2.31 reports them correctly.

wild9 02/09/2009 02:03
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Quote :Note that the Athlon X2 3200+ is designated as a CPU at 2.0 GHz, and the overclocked Athlon 64 X2 4200+ as a CPU at 2.6 GHz in the charts in order to save some space.


3800+ :)

wild9 02/09/2009 02:47
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Very interesting read. That Asrock daughterboard is a really neat trick.

However since most of the other manufacturers don't offer such an upgrade I think the majority of s939 users are going to struggle, and for several reasons:

. AGP lock, or rather the lack of

. Expensive dual-core s939 CPU's, e.g. the x2 3800+.

. 90nm CPU process that whilst relatively cool, requires a decent m/b for overclocking, together with a capable PSU.

There are overclocking options, but you need to be careful with what you're doing. It largely depends on your board and it's chipset. I still like these older CPU's for overclocking, due to their flexible design: +20% more power despite two cores; tolerance of high bus speeds and flexible memory handling for cheapskates like me, who use mixed unbranded memory. Even on cheap boards it's not uncommon for the x2 3800+ to high 2.4GHz or higher..but of course, that makes them popular and therefore absurdly priced on the auction sites.

So in the end I'd rather bin the project and go for something more modern. As the article says, you're buying into old technology that is soon to be outdated. I'd rather sell the parts (if you have a 3800+ you'll get a good price for it), and get and AM2+/AM3 board with an AMD Athlon II 240 or higher.

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